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RE: Why Aquino can't score from First
(03-21-2013 11:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 02:21 PM)elf owl Wrote:  So there is a conceptual system of rating hit balls by how far the runner could have gotten before being tagged out. Values are from .0 (strikeout) to 4.0 (homerun). Singles would be from 1.0 to 1.9 (or any number of decimals.) Doubles rate from 2.0 to 2.9. Triples would be from 3.0 to 3.9.

The virtue of such a conceptual scheme is that it shows more accurately the effect of the hit or missed ball than the simpler designations, single, double, triple and homerun. Note the system isn't perfectly measurable but it does give a clearer view on why certain hits are followed by station to station base running rather than more productive results. For instance a 2.0 Double is less effective than a 2.5 at moving runners around the bases. You can compare hits more accurately with dutiful estimates of the "size" of a hit, even though there are more accurate ways to differentiate doubles, for instance, elapsed time from the swing to the return of the ball to a base in play. But that lets out hits with no one on base where the fielder can take his time returning the ball to the field.

I like the indeterminate nature of the enumeration. It's an invitation to debate with your friends. Integers are so boring, we need to supplement them with decimals.

Since I first wrote this screed I have been rating hits using Fuzzy Thinking. (Like Fuzzy Math but virtual.) I literally can't view a hit as anything else. It's very instructive to learn just how different the magnitude of doubles can be by rating them with an imaginary measuring stick.

So to complete the original thought and relate it to the topic at hand. When Aquino doesn't score from first on a double you should ask first how big a double it was. Then you can take apart Aquino's base running shortcomings.

It's my impression that very few runners can score from first on a double in the 2.0 range.

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03-22-2013 09:34 AM
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RE: Why Aquino can't score from First
(03-22-2013 09:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 02:21 PM)elf owl Wrote:  So there is a conceptual system of rating hit balls by how far the runner could have gotten before being tagged out. Values are from .0 (strikeout) to 4.0 (homerun). Singles would be from 1.0 to 1.9 (or any number of decimals.) Doubles rate from 2.0 to 2.9. Triples would be from 3.0 to 3.9.

The virtue of such a conceptual scheme is that it shows more accurately the effect of the hit or missed ball than the simpler designations, single, double, triple and homerun. Note the system isn't perfectly measurable but it does give a clearer view on why certain hits are followed by station to station base running rather than more productive results. For instance a 2.0 Double is less effective than a 2.5 at moving runners around the bases. You can compare hits more accurately with dutiful estimates of the "size" of a hit, even though there are more accurate ways to differentiate doubles, for instance, elapsed time from the swing to the return of the ball to a base in play. But that lets out hits with no one on base where the fielder can take his time returning the ball to the field.

I like the indeterminate nature of the enumeration. It's an invitation to debate with your friends. Integers are so boring, we need to supplement them with decimals.

Since I first wrote this screed I have been rating hits using Fuzzy Thinking. (Like Fuzzy Math but virtual.) I literally can't view a hit as anything else. It's very instructive to learn just how different the magnitude of doubles can be by rating them with an imaginary measuring stick.

So to complete the original thought and relate it to the topic at hand. When Aquino doesn't score from first on a double you should ask first how big a double it was. Then you can take apart Aquino's base running shortcomings.

It's my impression that very few runners can score from first on a double in the 2.0 range.

Bo Jackson

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03-22-2013 10:17 AM
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RE: Why Aquino can't score from First
(03-22-2013 10:17 AM)wrysal Wrote:  
(03-22-2013 09:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:20 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 02:21 PM)elf owl Wrote:  So there is a conceptual system of rating hit balls by how far the runner could have gotten before being tagged out. Values are from .0 (strikeout) to 4.0 (homerun). Singles would be from 1.0 to 1.9 (or any number of decimals.) Doubles rate from 2.0 to 2.9. Triples would be from 3.0 to 3.9.

The virtue of such a conceptual scheme is that it shows more accurately the effect of the hit or missed ball than the simpler designations, single, double, triple and homerun. Note the system isn't perfectly measurable but it does give a clearer view on why certain hits are followed by station to station base running rather than more productive results. For instance a 2.0 Double is less effective than a 2.5 at moving runners around the bases. You can compare hits more accurately with dutiful estimates of the "size" of a hit, even though there are more accurate ways to differentiate doubles, for instance, elapsed time from the swing to the return of the ball to a base in play. But that lets out hits with no one on base where the fielder can take his time returning the ball to the field.

I like the indeterminate nature of the enumeration. It's an invitation to debate with your friends. Integers are so boring, we need to supplement them with decimals.

Since I first wrote this screed I have been rating hits using Fuzzy Thinking. (Like Fuzzy Math but virtual.) I literally can't view a hit as anything else. It's very instructive to learn just how different the magnitude of doubles can be by rating them with an imaginary measuring stick.

So to complete the original thought and relate it to the topic at hand. When Aquino doesn't score from first on a double you should ask first how big a double it was. Then you can take apart Aquino's base running shortcomings.

It's my impression that very few runners can score from first on a double in the 2.0 range.

Bo Jackson

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Enos Slaughter

1951 Mickey Mantle

1970 Willie Mays.

On a bunt.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KhApWFQ...nt&f=false
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03-22-2013 10:33 AM
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RE: Why Aquino can't score from First
1970 Willie Mays.

On a bunt.

http://books.google.com/books?id=KhApWFQ...nt&f=false
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In 1971, Mays went 1st to 3rd on a stolen base with overshift for McCovey on. The 3rd baseman took the throw at 2nd, but 3rd was uncovered. See "Say Hey" p246-247 (pp. not scanned for Google books)

edit: Mays play and others referenced here: http://www.baseball-fever.com/archive/in...94378.html
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