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How much will the ACC's TV deal go up?
We've seen some numbers, basically Anywhere from 1 million to $2.5 million extra per year per school. Is there a way that the ACC can rework the deal where they can add new ways for each school to add revenue? Does anyone see ESPN overpaying to ensure more stability?
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I will be close to $20 million per school.
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The ACC is actually going to lose copious amounts of money and all of its teams - except Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse - are off to other leagues. The press conference is set for next week...or the week after that...or by June at the latest...and by 2025 at the absolute latest.

Still, regardless of when the press conference is actually held to announce its demise, the ACC is doomed! DOOMED I tell ye!
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I think the ACC will get enough of an increase where the thoughts of the Big 12 being able to raid them (which never should have really been taken seriously in the first place) will disappear. Nothing in the near future will get the ACC on par with the Big Ten and SEC in terms of revenue, but it will probably be enough that the conference realignment panic would subside.
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(03-12-2013 11:01 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The ACC is actually going to lose copious amounts of money and all of its teams - except Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse - are off to other leagues. The press conference is set for next week...or the week after that...or by June at the latest...and by 2025 at the absolute latest.

Still, regardless of when the press conference is actually held to announce its demise, the ACC is doomed! DOOMED I tell ye!

I was saying the same thing about the Big East in 2011. I laughed and laughed.
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(03-12-2013 10:57 AM)Villecard Wrote:  We've seen some numbers, basically Anywhere from 1 million to $2.5 million extra per year per school. Is there a way that the ACC can rework the deal where they can add new ways for each school to add revenue? Does anyone see ESPN overpaying to ensure more stability?

If you want to play T & W games, the ACC can increase revenue. They've probably sold all they can short of that. They even sold sponsorship rights to the basketball tourney which other conferences keep for themselves.

I don't believe ESPN would "over-pay." They've got more content than they can show now. They get most of the SEC content and half of the Big 12. Currently they get roughly half of the Big 10 (and the best half), although that contract comes up for renewal in 3 years. Not directly relevant to the ACC, but they also have half the Pac 12 and some of the gang of 5. I don't believe the over-paying theory. ESPN is a business. They are into maximizing revenues and over-paying on a 15 year contract doesn't do that.
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(03-12-2013 11:04 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:01 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The ACC is actually going to lose copious amounts of money and all of its teams - except Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse - are off to other leagues. The press conference is set for next week...or the week after that...or by June at the latest...and by 2025 at the absolute latest.

Still, regardless of when the press conference is actually held to announce its demise, the ACC is doomed! DOOMED I tell ye!

I was saying the same thing about the Big East in 2011. I laughed and laughed.

Well then you weren't paying attention. The Big East post-Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College was not remotely analagous to the ACC post-Maryland.
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(03-12-2013 10:58 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I will be close to $20 million per school.

19.5 was the highest figure I saw reported and that was an average figure going out longer than other league contracts. Hopefully the SBJ does a clear article on it. Right now it's credible reporter vs credible reporter and neither can give detailed figures and they are off each other's reports by 1.5mm.
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(03-12-2013 11:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the ACC will get enough of an increase where the thoughts of the Big 12 being able to raid them (which never should have really been taken seriously in the first place) will disappear. Nothing in the near future will get the ACC on par with the Big Ten and SEC in terms of revenue, but it will probably be enough that the conference realignment panic would subside.

When Clemson discusses it in two board meetings and the FSU president gives a briefing in a board meeting, it is being taken seriously by those schools. It clearly was never the "done deal" as described by the Dude, but it was seriously considered and is still being seriously considered as demonstrated by the FSU AD's remarks last week.

I think its only 50/50 the ACC loses anyone else in the next 10 years, but its very much on their radar.
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(03-12-2013 11:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the ACC will get enough of an increase where the thoughts of the Big 12 being able to raid them (which never should have really been taken seriously in the first place) will disappear. Nothing in the near future will get the ACC on par with the Big Ten and SEC in terms of revenue, but it will probably be enough that the conference realignment panic would subside.

No it won't.

The B12 nutcases that are making up all of these rumors have already figured out that part of the equation. Nobody has been buying that nonsense for a while now so now the narrative has shifted to play out more like a game of conference billiards.

No longer are the B12's resident expansionistas predicting that Florida State and Clemson will head directly to their league - all based of course on well placed sources with impeccable credibility and a spotless history.

Now they are predicting that North Carolina and/or Duke and/or Georgia Tech and/or Virginia and/or NC State and/or Virginia Tech are headed to the B1G or SEC. Then, after that league is finished plucking the best flowers of the bushel, the other league will step in and take the left overs (you know, because Slive and Delany are best friends and have coordinated all of this), this decimating the ACC, allowing the B12 to step in and take whomever they like.

Oh, and of course the two schools they most covet - Florida State and Clemson - will definitely still be available.

If you think this fairy tale is near an end then you obviously haven't spent much time in B12 country - and by "B12 country," of course I mean West Virginia.
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Problem with that is, we all know that Oklahoma is going to the B1G.
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(03-12-2013 11:12 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No it won't.

The B12 nutcases that are making up all of these rumors have already figured that part of the equation. Nobody has been buying that nonsense for a while now so now the narrative has shifted to play out more like a game of conference billiards.

No longer are the B12's resident expansionistas predicting that Florida State and Clemson will head directly to their league - all based of course on well placed sources with impeccable credibility and a spotless of history.

Now they are predicting that North Carolina and/or Duke and/or Georgia Tech and/or Virginia and/or NC State and/or Virginia Tech are headed to the B1G or SEC. Then, after that league is finished plucking the best flowers of the bushel, the other league will step in and take the left overs (you know, because Slive and Delany are best friends and have coordinated all of this), this decimating the ACC, allowing the B12 to step in and take whomever they like.

Oh, and of course the two schools they most covet - Florida State and Clemson - will definitely still be available.

If you think this fairy tale is near and end then you obviously haven't spent much time in B12 country - and by B12 country, of course I mean West Virginia.

Ye shall be unceremoniously banned, indefinitely, for posting so much common sense in this thread.





















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(03-12-2013 11:14 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:58 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I will be close to $20 million per school.

19.5 was the highest figure I saw reported and that was an average figure going out longer than other league contracts. Hopefully the SBJ does a clear article on it. Right now it's credible reporter vs credible reporter and neither can give detailed figures and they are off each other's reports by 1.5mm.

mcmurphy is still sticking with the original sbj prediction of 1-2m, so 18-19m.
Will be interesting to hear what it ends up.
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(03-12-2013 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the ACC will get enough of an increase where the thoughts of the Big 12 being able to raid them (which never should have really been taken seriously in the first place) will disappear. Nothing in the near future will get the ACC on par with the Big Ten and SEC in terms of revenue, but it will probably be enough that the conference realignment panic would subside.

When Clemson discusses it in two board meetings and the FSU president gives a briefing in a board meeting, it is being taken seriously by those schools. It clearly was never the "done deal" as described by the Dude, but it was seriously considered and is still being seriously considered as demonstrated by the FSU AD's remarks last week.

I think its only 50/50 the ACC loses anyone else in the next 10 years, but its very much on their radar.

I actually agree with that. I think all schools would be crazy to not monitor the landscape closely right now. Nobody wants to miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Look, I think everyone understands that if the Southeastern Conference were to come a callin' for Florida State and/or Clemson, they would be gone-daddy-gone in a New York second and there's just no doubt about that. The same is likely true of the B1G if it were to court Pitt and/or Syracuse.

The doubt, at least from my vantage point, is that FSU and Clemson ever would have left for the B12, without any other outside circumstances intervening.

That was never going to happen for reasons I have given time and again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that the boards of those schools did talk about it. There are idiots on every board. Trust me, I've served on enough of them to know firsthand that an alarming number of members of any board are frighteningly ill informed.

And I'm sure that after holding those discussions, they concluded that it would be INSANE to leave a consortium of schools that boasts a number of research powers for what would amount to a small gain in athletic revs and may eventually become a loss even on that front - if the ACC is able to launch a television network of its own.

I believe that the meetings basically consisted of the people that actually crunch those numbers for a living trying like hell to reason with the guys who write the big checks and talking them off the ledge.

I also believe that the real focus of those discussions was how to leverage the B12's interest in their schools to gain the SEC's attention. That's why we keep hearing from the AD and President over and over again that the SEC is never, ever going to happen. They are not saying that (repeatedly) for your benefit or mine, they're speaking directly to their alums who don't see or appreciate the larger picture.

Finally, I believe that if the ACC isn't decimated within the next few years, that will prove to be VERY bad news for the B12 in the long run. If the ACC holds together through this period, they are here to stay and every year that goes by makes that GOR less and less valuable and therefore that league more and more unstable.

Also, if either the Longhorn Network fails or if the ACC is able to launch its own network, and it succeeds, that would be the end of the B12, IMHO.
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How much will it go up ?? It will probably go up as much as UNC wants it to go up. I hate the ACC and despise UNC but there is no doubt what kind of power and influence they yield with ESPN especially with John Skipper, ESPN President being a UNC graduate. ESPN is set to bring in $9Billion in revenue for 2013 so they could put an end to all the ACC raid speculation by just throwing enough money at the ACC to keep the Football focused schools like FSU and Clemson happy. ESPN pulled a few strings after the Big East turned down their $1 Billion plus TV Contract. In the process they helped put together what will be the best Basketball Conference in the country and decent FB Conference. I doubt that ESPN just sits by and lets that new Basketball monster fall apart before it ever gets to see the court.
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(03-12-2013 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the ACC will get enough of an increase where the thoughts of the Big 12 being able to raid them (which never should have really been taken seriously in the first place) will disappear. Nothing in the near future will get the ACC on par with the Big Ten and SEC in terms of revenue, but it will probably be enough that the conference realignment panic would subside.

When Clemson discusses it in two board meetings and the FSU president gives a briefing in a board meeting, it is being taken seriously by those schools. It clearly was never the "done deal" as described by the Dude, but it was seriously considered and is still being seriously considered as demonstrated by the FSU AD's remarks last week.

I think its only 50/50 the ACC loses anyone else in the next 10 years, but its very much on their radar.

Both right. The usual ACC suspects would leave if the price was right. But at the end of the day, ESPN pays what it takes to stop that from happening. I think it's as simple as that.
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No, that's definitely wrong. ESPN is just going to stand idly by while Fox waltzes in and steals all of its inventory and destroys the college sports empire on which the entire company is built. Don't you read, man?
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(03-12-2013 11:25 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:14 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:58 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I will be close to $20 million per school.

19.5 was the highest figure I saw reported and that was an average figure going out longer than other league contracts. Hopefully the SBJ does a clear article on it. Right now it's credible reporter vs credible reporter and neither can give detailed figures and they are off each other's reports by 1.5mm.

mcmurphy is still sticking with the original sbj prediction of 1-2m, so 18-19m.
Will be interesting to hear what it ends up.

Without some other concessions by the ACC (more years on the contract?), $1 million means they are paying $14 million a year for a guaranteed 2.5 Notre Dame games when they already have existing games that will be replaced such as FSU/OU and Wake Forest/Vanderbilt and normally have 1 or 2 Notre Dame games already (ND is playing BC and Pitt annually and sometimes other ACC schools). $2 million means $28 million a year. Notre Dame's NBC contract is currently paying around $15 million for 7 games.
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The ACC TV contract when renegotiated will be a fraction of the Big 4, who will continue to consolidate wealth . . . but I also agree with the statements above, that the Big XII's decisions to stay at 10 are key indicators that the TV market for college football has likely topped out. . . I have long ago accepted one thing - the folks who run the University of Texas are the smartest men in the room - and there is a reason they stuck at 10 when everyone said they had to go to 12 and have a conference championship game . . .
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