(03-16-2013 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:58 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Never realized there were so many liberals in Texas. Where did they come from? Mexico, California, the North?

It has been about 10 years since my last visit..but..I noticed a strong Hispanic presence.

Texas used to be Mexico so there is that

I have noting but love for Houston. It managed to build itself into one of America greatest cities without zoning laws. OH..The Horror!!!!

You mean govt. wasn't needed to tell people where to live and where to work?

(03-17-2013 09:59 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:58 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Never realized there were so many liberals in Texas. Where did they come from? Mexico, California, the North?

It has been about 10 years since my last visit..but..I noticed a strong Hispanic presence.

Texas used to be Mexico so there is that

I have noting but love for Houston. It managed to build itself into one of America greatest cities without zoning laws. OH..The Horror!!!!

You mean govt. wasn't needed to tell people where to live and where to work?

Evidently. Houston does now have some limited zoning in regard to some health related issues. It is still the most unzoned city in America that I know of.

(03-14-2013 07:49 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The Wittlesbachs must be creaming in their lederhossen!

haha. But in all serious, Catholic Bavaria never should have joined the German state in the first place. It's been the Kulterkampf, two World Wars, and now outrageously high taxes to rebuild Communist East Germany and to prop up the Euro. Culturally and historically Bavaria has always been distinct, if the present situation provides an opportunity for independence, the Bavarians should seize it. A Catholic Constitutional Monarchy with the Wittlesbachs at the helm would be extremely prosperous and would protect the unique Bavarian culture.

(03-12-2013 02:07 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:45 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Doesn't surprise me. Bavaria was separate from the rest of Germany until the late 1800s and even today, they view themselves as a separate culture. They are the Texas of Germany: a large, populous-yet-still-rural, prosperous-yet-still-traditional state where the people complain about their fate being controlled by the rest of the country.

They wanted to be part of Germany during the high times of the 1930's. They didn't see themselves as a separate culture then.

Not sure what you mean. While Nazism undoubtedly had a hotbed in Bavaria, until they gained national control and dissolved Bavaria's state government in 1933, the overwhelmingly powerful party in Bavaria was the Bayerische Volkspartei, which at times endorsed Bavarian separatism and even the restoration of the Bavarian monarchy.

Shortly after the Nazis gained control, they divided Bavaria into five different states, as they knew that dividing Bavaria would make coordinating a separatist movement far more difficult, and a separatist movement from within the Nazis' own supposed fatherland would significantly weaken the Nazis' ability to achieve their goals. The importance of keeping Bavarian separatism silent was also a factor in the Nazis conducting their largest propaganda events in the region.

The Nazi Party had its origins in Bavaria until Hitler took control of the party and began espousing a more racist and anti-Semitic platform. The Catholic Bishops condemned Nazism and Bavaria became the center of opposition to the Nazi movement. The famous attempted coup against Hitler that was featured in the movie Valkyrie(w/ Tom Cruise) was organized and nearly pulled off by Bavarian noblemen.

Bet Bavaria would shun the Euro.

(03-17-2013 08:51 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 02:07 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:45 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Doesn't surprise me. Bavaria was separate from the rest of Germany until the late 1800s and even today, they view themselves as a separate culture. They are the Texas of Germany: a large, populous-yet-still-rural, prosperous-yet-still-traditional state where the people complain about their fate being controlled by the rest of the country.

They wanted to be part of Germany during the high times of the 1930's. They didn't see themselves as a separate culture then.

Not sure what you mean. While Nazism undoubtedly had a hotbed in Bavaria, until they gained national control and dissolved Bavaria's state government in 1933, the overwhelmingly powerful party in Bavaria was the Bayerische Volkspartei, which at times endorsed Bavarian separatism and even the restoration of the Bavarian monarchy.

Shortly after the Nazis gained control, they divided Bavaria into five different states, as they knew that dividing Bavaria would make coordinating a separatist movement far more difficult, and a separatist movement from within the Nazis' own supposed fatherland would significantly weaken the Nazis' ability to achieve their goals. The importance of keeping Bavarian separatism silent was also a factor in the Nazis conducting their largest propaganda events in the region.

The Nazi Party had its origins in Bavaria until Hitler took control of the party and began espousing a more racist and anti-Semitic platform. The Catholic Bishops condemned Nazism and Bavaria became the center of opposition to the Nazi movement. The famous attempted coup against Hitler that was featured in the movie Valkyrie(w/ Tom Cruise) was organized and nearly pulled off by Bavarian noblemen.

Absolutely. This link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-reli...5044/posts) contains two maps (one showing the areas of Germany with the highest percentage of adherents to Catholicism, the other showing the 1932 election results presented as concentration of Nazi votes) - they really illustrate the point you are making.

(03-16-2013 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:58 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Never realized there were so many liberals in Texas. Where did they come from? Mexico, California, the North?

It has been about 10 years since my last visit..but..I noticed a strong Hispanic presence.

Texas used to be Mexico so there is that

I have noting but love for Houston. It managed to build itself into one of America greatest cities without zoning laws. OH..The Horror!!!!

Isn't that where some guy's bedroom is right next to a roller coaster?

(03-18-2013 11:25 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 08:51 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 02:07 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:45 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Doesn't surprise me. Bavaria was separate from the rest of Germany until the late 1800s and even today, they view themselves as a separate culture. They are the Texas of Germany: a large, populous-yet-still-rural, prosperous-yet-still-traditional state where the people complain about their fate being controlled by the rest of the country.

They wanted to be part of Germany during the high times of the 1930's. They didn't see themselves as a separate culture then.

Not sure what you mean. While Nazism undoubtedly had a hotbed in Bavaria, until they gained national control and dissolved Bavaria's state government in 1933, the overwhelmingly powerful party in Bavaria was the Bayerische Volkspartei, which at times endorsed Bavarian separatism and even the restoration of the Bavarian monarchy.

Shortly after the Nazis gained control, they divided Bavaria into five different states, as they knew that dividing Bavaria would make coordinating a separatist movement far more difficult, and a separatist movement from within the Nazis' own supposed fatherland would significantly weaken the Nazis' ability to achieve their goals. The importance of keeping Bavarian separatism silent was also a factor in the Nazis conducting their largest propaganda events in the region.

The Nazi Party had its origins in Bavaria until Hitler took control of the party and began espousing a more racist and anti-Semitic platform. The Catholic Bishops condemned Nazism and Bavaria became the center of opposition to the Nazi movement. The famous attempted coup against Hitler that was featured in the movie Valkyrie(w/ Tom Cruise) was organized and nearly pulled off by Bavarian noblemen.

Absolutely. This link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-reli...5044/posts) contains two maps (one showing the areas of Germany with the highest percentage of adherents to Catholicism, the other showing the 1932 election results presented as concentration of Nazi votes) - they really illustrate the point you are making.

got a 404 error with the link, but when I clicked on reply the full link showed up and was able to copy it. Interesting map, I would love to find a link somewhere that had vote totals by locality. I watched a show on one of the history channels that mentioned that the allies held the locals accountable for the Dachau camp, even though they had voted against Hitler. I'm a history & WWII nerd.

I do not think there were anymore elections after 1933 until after the war in Germany (Like Bush, Hitler was not elected by a majority - they came through power through the back door) . I also question if the Catholics voted the way they did because they were a minority themselves in Germany and just felt threatened by the anti Jewish rhetoric, versus being antisemitic themselves.

Back to the post. I could care less what Bavaria does now as long as it does not create a beer shortage.

(03-17-2013 08:42 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:49 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The Wittlesbachs must be creaming in their lederhossen!

haha. But in all serious, Catholic Bavaria never should have joined the German state in the first place. It's been the Kulterkampf, two World Wars, and now outrageously high taxes to rebuild Communist East Germany and to prop up the Euro. Culturally and historically Bavaria has always been distinct, if the present situation provides an opportunity for independence, the Bavarians should seize it. A Catholic Constitutional Monarchy with the Wittlesbachs at the helm would be extremely prosperous and would protect the unique Bavarian culture.

He's ready! Bavaria, England, Scotland and Ireland; He don't care! König him!

(03-14-2013 08:36 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:52 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I wish Texas would secede ... we don't share Obama's perverse values that the rest of the U.S. seems to love.

Speak for yourself. Houston (probably the most important city in Texas) is liberal, people like Obama here. I also bet you are a Perry lover. Oh and San Antonio, Austin and Dallas are also liberal. Without these cities Texas is nothing.

You could say the same thing of any big city, be it Chicago, Atlanta, DC, etc. Those cities in Texas are nothing without the suburbs, nor without rural Texas, which are characteristically conservative. I would not say that Houston or Dallas is conservative compared to cities like LA, Chicago, or Philadelphia, for instance.

(03-14-2013 08:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So they're nothing like the men who built them.

Don't be so sure of it...

Sam Houston - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_houston#Later_life Wrote:[Sam] Houston ran twice for governor of Texas as a Unionist, unsuccessfully in 1857, and successfully against Hardin R. Runnels in 1859. Upon election, he became the only person elected to serve as governor of two U.S. states by popular vote. (Whereas Thomas McKean and John Dickinson had each served as chief executives of Delaware and then of Pennsylvania in the late 18th century, and other state governors had also served as governors of American territory, they achieved at least one of their positions by indirect election or appointment.)

Although Houston was a slave owner and opposed abolition, he opposed the secession of Texas from the Union. An elected convention voted to secede from the United States on February 1, 1861, and Texas joined the Confederate States of America on March 2, 1861. Houston refused to recognize its legality, but the Texas legislature upheld the legitimacy of secession. The political forces that brought about Texas's secession were powerful enough to replace the state's Unionist governor. Houston chose not to resist, stating, "I love Texas too well to bring civil strife and bloodshed upon her. To avert this calamity, I shall make no endeavor to maintain my authority as Chief Executive of this State, except by the peaceful exercise of my functions ... " He was evicted from his office on March 16, 1861, for refusing to take an oath of loyalty to the Confederacy, writing,

Quote:"Fellow-Citizens, in the name of your rights and liberties, which I believe have been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the nationality of Texas, which has been betrayed by the Convention, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the Constitution of Texas, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of my own conscience and manhood, which this Convention would degrade by dragging me before it, to pander to the malice of my enemies, I refuse to take this oath. I deny the power of this Convention to speak for Texas....I protest....against all the acts and doings of this convention and I declare them null and void.[34] "

(03-12-2013 09:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Insert Arte Johnson's catch phrase.

I wonder how many folks here know who Arte Johnson is?