(03-11-2013 01:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:28 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:40 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  [quote='stever20' pid='9074810' dateline='1363010359']

Um, no. I looked at the OOC RPI's- and the A12 was very competitive:
1 B10 35.36
2 ACC 41.33
3 BE 50.67
4 MWC 53.27
5 B12 65.70
6 P12 66.58
7 A12 70.83
8 SEC 94.07

That means the RPI's in conference for Cincy, UConn, and USF will drop some- but not anywhere near as much as you would think. Heck, you can say the same thing about us as well. I mean for the record- the Avg RPI OOC for the Big East this year is 28. So we're goign to be 22 spots worse on average next year even. For the teams coming in for the A12- they're coming from CUSA where the avg RPI OOC this year was 124. So for like a Memphis- that's HUGE. Same with ECU/UCF even. Temple- A10 this year was 86.5. Bottom line, there is NOTHING structurally to indicate that the A12 will be very poor- with their current group. If they lose UConn and Cincy, that obviously changes things a lot.

And you saying the A12 will be lucky to ever win a national championship- how in the hell can you say that when UConn won one a few years ago and Memphis made the title game and should have won it 5 years ago. That's just idiotic.

The only idiotic thing around here are your responses, because you don't reply to what's written. UConn, without being in the Big East and without Calhoun, will be hard pressed to win another National Championship being in this poor A-12. Now, if they were to somehow get into the ACC, then their stock would go back up. As for Memphis, if you have a coach doing illegal things then I guess all bets are off. But with all things equal, it's idiotic to think Memphis will ever have a shot at a National Championship.

Just stop with the poor A-12. It's based on this year would be the #7 conference, ahead of the SEC- and close to Big 12 and Pac 12. UConn had a fine year without Calhoun and it's not a stretch at all to see them able to compete. The A12 won't be a bad conference at all. Not when you have 4 teams as good as they do.

UConn was playing with Calhoun's recruits, who went there to play for him and to play in the Big East. You'd be very naive to think they will be getting the same recruits without Calhoun and without being in the Big East. And just wait until after next year with Lousiville gone. Anyone trying to argue about the stature of the conference is just looking to argue. Now, if VCU joined the A-12, then it would be super elite! LoL

As I have PROVEN to you- the drop off won't be anywhere near as severe as you think.
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You haven't "proven" anything, because next year's results from the A-12's year hasn't occured yet. You made an "assumption", that's all. It was an assumption based on subjective thoughts from this year. But that isn't "proof" for next year. It might be a top 8 conference, but that will be in part due to the A-10 falling apart. It certainly won't be a conference that other top schools will seek to go to. And as soon as UConn can get out, they will run for the exit. Instead of you whinning on this board about VCU, how about you go to the old Big East board and explain that VCU should join the A-12 for when Navy plays for football, VCU can play for basketball. That would actually make more sense than VCU in the new Big East.

(03-11-2013 01:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One other point on the A12. Next year they will have Louisville. That means they would be favored to get 5 NCAA teams next year.

The A-12 will not get 5 teams in next year. Mark it down.

(03-11-2013 02:08 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One other point on the A12. Next year they will have Louisville. That means they would be favored to get 5 NCAA teams next year.

The A-12 will not get 5 teams in next year. Mark it down.

And what the hell proof do you have to come to this conclusion? Your opinion? There's no reason to think that Louisville, Memphis, Cincy, UConn, and Temple don't get in next year. Especially if OOC they do what they did this year:
Louisville 7
Cincy 10
Rutgers 27
UConn 32
USF 36
Temple 43
Houston 81
Memphis 88
UCF 101
SMU 107

That means you have 6 top 50 teams OOC- with 10 games with teams for everyone guaranteed and for the other 4- 12 games.

The A12 avg next year- this years OOC RPI 53.2
The C7 next year- with Xavier and Butler only- Avg OOC RPI 46

So difference of only 7 spot difference. They would get the benefit of the doubt if a team is close just like we would.

Is this a 1 year sample? I would go back 3-5 years (if I had the time to do it), include conference matchups, and exclude conference defections.

(03-11-2013 03:53 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  Is this a 1 year sample? I would go back 3-5 years (if I had the time to do it), include conference matchups, and exclude conference defections.

It's 1 year- but what I'm looking at is just OOC RPI. Because that won't change much at all. That's also why I prefaced it with if they could do what they did this year OOC... The conference matchups in this way are kind of irrelevant- that's comparing apples to oranges.

(03-11-2013 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 03:53 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  Is this a 1 year sample? I would go back 3-5 years (if I had the time to do it), include conference matchups, and exclude conference defections.

It's 1 year- but what I'm looking at is just OOC RPI. Because that won't change much at all. That's also why I prefaced it with if they could do what they did this year OOC... The conference matchups in this way are kind of irrelevant- that's comparing apples to oranges.

This year could be a lot different than next year. It really is just pointless. Starting a new conference or in a new conference your scheduling philosophy could And probably would change.

(03-11-2013 04:23 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 03:53 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  Is this a 1 year sample? I would go back 3-5 years (if I had the time to do it), include conference matchups, and exclude conference defections.

It's 1 year- but what I'm looking at is just OOC RPI. Because that won't change much at all. That's also why I prefaced it with if they could do what they did this year OOC... The conference matchups in this way are kind of irrelevant- that's comparing apples to oranges.

This year could be a lot different than next year. It really is just pointless. Starting a new conference or in a new conference your scheduling philosophy could And probably would change.

It could- but if they just did what they did this year, the conference would be fine. Probably would have to schedule a smidge tougher in 2 years when ECU/Tulane get in there- but not crazy tough either.

(03-11-2013 04:23 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 03:53 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  Is this a 1 year sample? I would go back 3-5 years (if I had the time to do it), include conference matchups, and exclude conference defections.

It's 1 year- but what I'm looking at is just OOC RPI. Because that won't change much at all. That's also why I prefaced it with if they could do what they did this year OOC... The conference matchups in this way are kind of irrelevant- that's comparing apples to oranges.

This year could be a lot different than next year. It really is just pointless. Starting a new conference or in a new conference your scheduling philosophy could And probably would change.

Bingo

You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

(03-11-2013 03:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 02:08 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One other point on the A12. Next year they will have Louisville. That means they would be favored to get 5 NCAA teams next year.

The A-12 will not get 5 teams in next year. Mark it down.

And what the hell proof do you have to come to this conclusion? Your opinion? There's no reason to think that Louisville, Memphis, Cincy, UConn, and Temple don't get in next year. Especially if OOC they do what they did this year:

And what proof do you have that the A-12 will have 5 bids next year. The whole basis of your argument was based around the word "if". That's your proof you have to try and belittle someone with? Really? What a joke.

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

I hope you will start advocating for VCU to join the A-12.

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

I don't think they will be the worst but if one or two of their top four slip up they are in very big trouble.

I also don't get stever, why you think they have such a bright future but us with GTown, Nova, Marq, Butler, Creighton and Xavier will be lucky to be looked at as a power league unless we take VCU.

I don't see any reason why the A12 won't get 5 bids. You have 5 tourney teams from this year(well, 4 plus UConn who would be safely in). Rutgers could get enough of a boost to be a sleeper next year(if they had been in next year with this group and go 10-8 in conference, they're 19-10 and quite possibly in the tourney). USF with their good OOC RPI- would have been in good position starting the conference season.

(03-11-2013 04:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

I don't think they will be the worst but if one or two of their top four slip up they are in very big trouble.

I also don't get stever, why you think they have such a bright future but us with GTown, Nova, Marq, Butler, Creighton and Xavier will be lucky to be looked at as a power league unless we take VCU.

I think we'll be a power league- probably in that 3-5 range w/o VCU. I think with VCU- they give us a chance to be in the top 2 quite frankly. Partially because of them and partially because not taking Dayton.

I think they will be solid. What was said on here is that the A12 will be a poor conference- or a mid major conference. Until UConn and Cincy leave- that's just not happening. There's nothing to indicate that at all. A mid major doesn't have 4 top 50 schools in it with only 10 schools.

(03-11-2013 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think they will be solid. What was said on here is that the A12 will be a poor conference- or a mid major conference. Until UConn and Cincy leave- that's just not happening.

And why do you think UConn and Cincy will leave the A-12? I certainly don't think they'd want to leave if they didn't considered themselves in a mid-major conference.

(03-11-2013 05:00 PM)BigBCherney Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think they will be solid. What was said on here is that the A12 will be a poor conference- or a mid major conference. Until UConn and Cincy leave- that's just not happening.

And why do you think UConn and Cincy will leave the A-12? I certainly don't think they'd want to leave if they didn't considered themselves in a mid-major conference.

In football, yes a mid-major conference. But in basketball, what we were talking about, they aren't a mid major at all.

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

Solid yes. Most years, three bids out of Memphis, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and a mystery contestant. Five bids out of that bunch, even next year including Louisville would be a real stretch. Take a group of 5 teams that made the tournament in year X, and you usually don't see everybody from that group make the tournament the next year.

(03-15-2013 03:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

Solid yes. Most years, three bids out of Memphis, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and a mystery contestant. Five bids out of that bunch, even next year including Louisville would be a real stretch. Take a group of 5 teams that made the tournament in year X, and you usually don't see everybody from that group make the tournament the next year.

I agree. Cincy has always scheduled weak OOC competition, depending on the strength of the league to help prop them up. Without that they don't make the tournament with their current level of performance.

(03-15-2013 03:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You guys are just LOOKING for ways to discredit the A12. It's a joke. They are going to be a solid conference- I don't see the point in crapping on them at all.

Solid yes. Most years, three bids out of Memphis, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and a mystery contestant. Five bids out of that bunch, even next year including Louisville would be a real stretch. Take a group of 5 teams that made the tournament in year X, and you usually don't see everybody from that group make the tournament the next year.

I agree. Cincy has always scheduled weak OOC competition, depending on the strength of the league to help prop them up. Without that they don't make the tournament with their current level of performance.

At least this year they didn't as much. They got 2 pretty nice OOC wins vs Iowa St and Oregon(top 50). 1 point loss to #2 New Mexico. Also a win vs #61 Alabama that is looking better after the Alabama win today. That's 4 pretty good games. Overall their NC SOS was 181 which is just about in the middle- and their NC RPI when you factor in W/L is #13. Last year you are spot on- they played 2 games vs top 135 teams OOC- and they lost both.