(03-08-2013 10:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  No, it's much easier to see a racist behind every tree than to engage in a little critical thinking.

I don't give a nit about the color of the president's skin. Hell, if he had any policies I'd agreed with, I'd have said so. And even if the ones I'd disagreed with actually worked, I'd have said so.

I echo that sentiment.

(03-08-2013 08:58 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:40 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Researchers have spent countless hours documenting how the right-wing has simply gone nuts since a black man ascended to the White House, but all you need to know is right here.

Heh, forget math and science. Now there's good use of precious research money right there.

Researcher 1: "Sir, we've gotten another $200,000 grant to spend 'countless hours' to study why one political party's fans get upset and rants when the other political party is in power!"

Researcher 2: "Great news! Oh, and make sure you play up the 'race' angle in your conclusions, if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge nudge)."

Researcher 1: "Sure. But what do you want me to do with all the disturbing 'Hate Bush' and 'Hate Palin' signs, placards, slogans and comments I found in past years?"

Researcher 2: "The paper shredder is over there. Doesn't exist."

(03-08-2013 11:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:58 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:40 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Researchers have spent countless hours documenting how the right-wing has simply gone nuts since a black man ascended to the White House, but all you need to know is right here.

Heh, forget math and science. Now there's good use of precious research money right there.

Researcher 1: "Sir, we've gotten another $200,000 grant to spend 'countless hours' to study why one political party's fans get upset and rants when the other political party is in power!"

Researcher 2: "Great news! Oh, and make sure you play up the 'race' angle in your conclusions, if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge nudge)."

Researcher 1: "Sure. But what do you want me to do with all the disturbing 'Hate Bush' and 'Hate Palin' signs, placards, slogans and comments I found in past years?"

Researcher 2: "The paper shredder is over there. Doesn't exist."

Thanks for the peek into your deep ignorance of how research is conducted. It's sad how right-wingers are forced to ignore science. It's sad for you, sad for other right-wingers, but most of all it's sad for America to have a significant portion of the population willing to live in a fact-free bubble.

(03-08-2013 11:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  No, it's much easier to see a racist behind every tree than to engage in a little critical thinking.

I don't give a nit about the color of the president's skin. Hell, if he had any policies I'd agreed with, I'd have said so. And even if the ones I'd disagreed with actually worked, I'd have said so.

I echo that sentiment.

Wouldn't care if the Prez's skin was Green as long as he always told the truth, and was at least competent.

(03-08-2013 11:35 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Thanks for the peek into your deep ignorance of how research is conducted. It's sad how right-wingers are forced to ignore science. It's sad for you, sad for other right-wingers, but most of all it's sad for America to have a significant portion of the population willing to live in a fact-free bubble.

Relax. Just having fun with the "researchers spend countless hours..." comment.

That's okay, my friend. Don't feel sad for me. I'm content in the way I tend to judge individuals by their own opinions and merit, and being careful to not wildly flail a paintbrush around and say "you're all" or "you all".

I've praised right-wingers on topics. I've sided with hippie liberals on topics. I've both praised and blasted GOPers. I've both praised and blasted Obama. Depending on the specific action or policy. I'm able to dissect information and come to conclusions.

Nay, no need to shed tears for me. I'm comfortable in my own skin.

Carry on.

Missed the "countless hours"....does that mean the researchers were not intelligent enough or did not keep records well enough to know how many hours? Either way, takes away any credence to the "research".

Indeed, the Interwebz and 24/7 cable news stations have been around long enough for any rational individual to understand one thing when it comes to politics: there will be tons of angry, bitter people on the 'other side' of the political aisle if the opponent is in power. Shocking.

Regarding this thread: Quite frankly, Jerry Falwell printing the address of the White House as a desired NK bomb target could be seen as poor taste and over the top (even as a 'joke'), no matter your political leaning. Hell, even though I'm no Obama fan, I may have nodded in agreement with UMGRAD if he criticised him for it.

But the race card rant simply introduced the semi Godwin's Law trainwreck into the course of discussion. It serves to confirm that right-winger accusation that any harsh critique toward Obama is immediately construed as a KKK-influenced racist motive. Are some white people out there extra-angry toward Obama because he is black? Sure. It'd be naive to think otherwise. Some people just have this irrational distrust of 'the Other.' But walking around believing that every centre-right white dude is a 'racist nut-winger' (evidently proven by countless hours of research performed) is a pretty miserable way to walk through life.

And the 97% to 98% of blacks that voted for Obama in 2008 would not designate themselves as racists by doing so?

Thing is, "*********" anger toward the President would be the same if Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden were POTUS. Yeah, you'll get some putzes in the sticks who'll drag his race into it. But it boils down to political party, mainly. I'd double down money that the vast majority of right-winger regulars on this board would vote for a black GOP conservative over a white flaming liberal.

And regardless of any distaste toward Sarah Palin, the brand of hate leveled toward her - complete with a myriad of sexist/misogynist slurs - would make a Middle East dictator blush. So Obama ain't alone in "vitriol" spewed at thim.

(03-09-2013 12:52 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  And the 97% to 98% of blacks that voted for Obama in 2008 would not designate themselves as racists by doing so?

I've seen that assumption made many times by righties. It is, of course, a deeply flawed assumption, and its quick embrace by the fearful right is evidence of the very issue I'm talking about. There are those who see overwhelming support by black Americans for a black candidate and say, "clear racism". Of course that is often because they are viewing it only through their own racist point-of-view. There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion". That's because they are knee-jerk racists. So let me ask the righties around here, do you think there are any facts that might cast doubt on racial motivations being the source of overwhelming support of President Obama by black Americans? I've never seen a single right-winger offer any competing possibility despite seeing them make the racial charge hundreds of times.

Since I've now made competing alternatives a salient issue, I'm sure you'll all go scrambling at this point to find some. Just be aware that you're unwillingness to examine those competing facts for years now will cast a huge shadow of suspicion over anything you do at this point.

(03-09-2013 02:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion".

Would you give the Klan the same benefit of doubt?

(03-09-2013 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion".

Would you give the Klan the same benefit of doubt?

You're making an analogy between the KKK and all of the black voting population in America. Do you see any problem with that?

OK, how many Panthers voted for the white guy?

(03-09-2013 03:22 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion".

Would you give the Klan the same benefit of doubt?

You're making an analogy between the KKK and all of the black voting population in America. Do you see any problem with that?

Even I think this is quite a stretch. I actually do not blame blacks for voting for Obama. They have been given NO other choice. The right has totally written off the black vote. Let's be clear...getting all the black vote is not why Obama won.

(03-09-2013 05:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:22 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion".

Would you give the Klan the same benefit of doubt?

You're making an analogy between the KKK and all of the black voting population in America. Do you see any problem with that?

Even I think this is quite a stretch. I actually do not blame blacks for voting for Obama. They have been given NO other choice. The right has totally written off the black vote. Let's be clear...getting all the black vote is not why Obama won.

The GOP has no chance with blacks because of all the societal bell whistles put into African Americans by the left..

Hell MSNBC has a list of racist words that included "Chicago, Urban, and freakin' Golf"

Fact is the hardest thing in the nation to be right now is a conservative African American. I know plenty of liberal whites and I never call them race traitors, A black conservative is nearly ostracized for only their different beliefs about the role of government.

(03-09-2013 03:22 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are others who see that same overwhelming support and say, "could be race based, but I'll have to analyze the facts further to come to that conclusion".

Would you give the Klan the same benefit of doubt?

You're making an analogy between the KKK and all of the black voting population in America. Do you see any problem with that?

here is part of your many problems; you don't want to recognize that blacks turned out by the millions in 2008 just to vote for a black guy and only to vote for a black guy and you would have us think that's ok. But if a white guy doesn't vote for a black guy, or changed his mind during 2012, or is critical of the black guy's polices, then he's the racist. You might not have spelled that out in this thread/post, but you've made it perfectly clear in all your others.

I liked Colin Powell during Gulf 1 - who didn't? But my respect for him has diminisehd greatly because of what he did afterwards. Am I a racist?