(03-09-2013 04:56 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:46 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 10:54 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

When it happens? Perhaps you have made the most telling post of all...

So you're basically saying you're going to act like a j@ckass no matter if the news is good or bad.

Does it make Nbe/A12 feel better about itself to try and talk down to everyone? Yes!

There you go, fixed it!

(03-09-2013 06:03 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:56 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:46 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 10:54 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

When it happens? Perhaps you have made the most telling post of all...

So you're basically saying you're going to act like a j@ckass no matter if the news is good or bad.

Does it make Nbe/A12 feel better about itself to try and talk down to everyone? Yes!

There you go, fixed it!

You're just an old guy with a little too much time on his hands... enjoy life Tallgrass... with "friends" like you, the University of Tulsa, its fans, the city and community of Tulsa doesn't need any enemies.

Your responses and constant belittlement of something that TU (a university you claim to be a supporter of) will likely join is ridiculous... embarrassing in fact.

You may want to look into another hobby... I'm sure golden agers like yourself have PLENTY of other things to gripe about - why don't you go jump on some other band wagon.

wow. Trollgrass in full attack mode today. It's going to kill him when Tulsa goes to the Big East. Hopefully at that point he'll just STFU.

(03-08-2013 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think that's what shocked me so much about the BCS slot. I can't believe at all that the AQ schools gave that slot away, without a minimum requirement even.

They traded the BE spot and a conditional spot for the other conferences for one spot. It wasn't that big of a deal.

(03-09-2013 08:55 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think that's what shocked me so much about the BCS slot. I can't believe at all that the AQ schools gave that slot away, without a minimum requirement even.

They traded the BE spot and a conditional spot for the other conferences for one spot. It wasn't that big of a deal.

Exactly...the Playoff Revenue Distribution Split is something like a $60 Million difference between the Contract Leagues and the GoF league...and in reality the Contract Leagues plus ND & In reality the Contract League by kicking the BIG EAST to the curb gained 2 extra slots.

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

It's less because it was L'ville and Rutgers and more because it was the second shoe. If the order had been reversed same thing would have happened.

(03-09-2013 10:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

It's less because it was L'ville and Rutgers and more because it was the second shoe. If the order had been reversed same thing would have happened.

Spot on !

(03-09-2013 04:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:21 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SCSportsReport/statu...2850743296

Pinstripe will probably become B1G/ACC.

Liberty Bowl will probably degenerate down to level of Independence Bowl as BCS conferences continue to seek warm weather sites and/or domed stadiums versus fellow BCS opponents.

Future Nbe/A12 Bowls:
1. Liberty vs CUSA
2. Birmingham vs CUSA
3. St. Pete vs CUSA
4. New Orleans vs SBC
5. Military vs MAC
6. Independence vs SBC

I wouldn't be so sure about the Pinstripe going BIG/acc. Maybe if UConn is poached. Otherwise, the TBA would have two schools located closer than either northeastern acc school. Both of them and Navy if it joins, would be more likely to bring bigger crowds than any acc school not named cuse.

So you think UConn, Temple, and Navy are more attractive than Syracuse, Pitt, BC, UVA (about the same distance as Pitt)?

I don't see it.

When you see all of two dozen cuse or pitt fans show for the first game at your place you will understand. How's bc represented down in NC lately? Are you excited about the prospect of going to see a football game played in an open air baseball stadium in the Bronx in Dec? Exactly my point.

(03-09-2013 07:18 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:03 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:56 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:46 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 10:54 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

When it happens? Perhaps you have made the most telling post of all...

So you're basically saying you're going to act like a j@ckass no matter if the news is good or bad.

Does it make Nbe/A12 feel better about itself to try and talk down to everyone? Yes!

There you go, fixed it!

You're just an old guy with a little too much time on his hands... enjoy life Tallgrass... with "friends" like you, the University of Tulsa, its fans, the city and community of Tulsa doesn't need any enemies.

Your responses and constant belittlement of something that TU (a university you claim to be a supporter of) will likely join is ridiculous... embarrassing in fact.

You may want to look into another hobby... I'm sure golden agers like yourself have PLENTY of other things to gripe about - why don't you go jump on some other band wagon.

Your view is the short term view. The long run view for enhanced stability is a strong and united front by all NonAQ schools and conferences. Surely, the recent announcement by the BCS schools that they are setting up a bowl sharing arrangement to insure that they always play another BCS opponent rather than a NonAQ opponent should send a message to all NonAQ fans. Once that is set up, Tulsa will no longer play an Iowa State in a bowl somewhere.

If I took a short term view, Tulsa in either Nbe or CUSA is just fine. Both conferences are screwed. If a solution is to be found, it is going to be in the arena of public opinion, orchestrated by a joint effort by all NonAQ schools and conferences.

When the WAC-16 invite came, Tulsa did not do its homework. It could have been in what became CUSA. This time, the situation is difficult, but TU must not close its eyes to the situation regarding the stability of Nbe. Yes, TU is between a rock and a hard place. All that probably can be said is that TU better put a whole lot of caveats in its acceptance agreement---if inivted.

Regardless, Nbe/A12 is a lateral transfer. Nothing has been gained.

So you think that all the members of the Have Not conferences will stick together in some show of solidarity against the Big Four-and-one-half? Because their track record of mutual aide and cooperation so far is steller. Yeah that will work for the long haul.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

The second an offer from a B5 conference comes by any school in the little 5, that school is gone.

(03-12-2013 06:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So you think that all the members of the Have Not conferences will stick together in some show of solidarity against the Big Four-and-one-half? Because their track record of mutual aide and cooperation so far is steller. Yeah that will work for the long haul.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

The second an offer from a B5 conference comes by any school in the little 5, that school is gone.

Recall that when Tulane Prez raised holy heck....that the doors were opened for NonAQs to have a slot in the BCS bowls. The alternative is to do nothing.

CUSA, MWC and football BE will be fine. There are too many bowls for the Big 5 to absorb. They only get hurt if they start trying to reduce the number of bowls.

(03-09-2013 11:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:21 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SCSportsReport/statu...2850743296

Pinstripe will probably become B1G/ACC.

Liberty Bowl will probably degenerate down to level of Independence Bowl as BCS conferences continue to seek warm weather sites and/or domed stadiums versus fellow BCS opponents.

Future Nbe/A12 Bowls:
1. Liberty vs CUSA
2. Birmingham vs CUSA
3. St. Pete vs CUSA
4. New Orleans vs SBC
5. Military vs MAC
6. Independence vs SBC

I wouldn't be so sure about the Pinstripe going BIG/acc. Maybe if UConn is poached. Otherwise, the TBA would have two schools located closer than either northeastern acc school. Both of them and Navy if it joins, would be more likely to bring bigger crowds than any acc school not named cuse.

So you think UConn, Temple, and Navy are more attractive than Syracuse, Pitt, BC, UVA (about the same distance as Pitt)?

I don't see it.

When you see all of two dozen cuse or pitt fans show for the first game at your place you will understand. How's bc represented down in NC lately? Are you excited about the prospect of going to see a football game played in an open air baseball stadium in the Bronx in Dec? Exactly my point.

I have never been to a fb game at Rutgers. But I have seen how Rutgers fans travels to Syracuse. I will say this: Judging by the amount of Rutgers fans that show up to the Carrier Dome, I just have to believe that SU brings at least as many fans as Rutgers maybe a whole lot more.

(03-12-2013 08:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  CUSA, MWC and football BE will be fine. There are too many bowls for the Big 5 to absorb. They only get hurt if they start trying to reduce the number of bowls.

If you define "fine" as having bowl slots then yes they'll be fine. If you define "fine" as having decent bowl slots then no not really.

(03-09-2013 02:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:16 PM)Maize Wrote:  Cuseroc...I knida said that. But I said it from the beginning. When Syracuse left the BIG EAST died. The Orange was the Heart & Soul of the BIG EAST. I say the same about our new league the ACC...as long as UNC is in the ACC it will be fine...they are the Heart & Soul of our new league.

Yeah, I see that now. But I started actually posting this thread, before you responded. Then i kept watching SU get murdered by Georgetown and yelling at my tv and coming back to finish my post in between commercials. It actually took me about 50 minutes to finish this post. Sorry.

The fate of the BE was sealed once it was determined that they would no longer be an automatic qualifier to a BCS level bowl. That is what did it for the BE.

Weeks after the determination was made, Notre Dame jumps ship a major cog left in BE basketball. Louisville and Rutgers were fortunate to find new landing spots but I believe the FB/BB split was a matter of when the first TV estimates came in.

Aresco played smoke and mirrors with the BB schools as long as he possibly could.

(03-12-2013 02:29 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 02:16 PM)Maize Wrote:  Cuseroc...I knida said that. But I said it from the beginning. When Syracuse left the BIG EAST died. The Orange was the Heart & Soul of the BIG EAST. I say the same about our new league the ACC...as long as UNC is in the ACC it will be fine...they are the Heart & Soul of our new league.

Yeah, I see that now. But I started actually posting this thread, before you responded. Then i kept watching SU get murdered by Georgetown and yelling at my tv and coming back to finish my post in between commercials. It actually took me about 50 minutes to finish this post. Sorry.

The fate of the BE was sealed once it was determined that they would no longer be an automatic qualifier to a BCS level bowl. That is what did it for the BE.

Weeks after the determination was made, Notre Dame jumps ship a major cog left in BE basketball. Louisville and Rutgers were fortunate to find new landing spots but I believe the FB/BB split was a matter of when the first TV estimates came in.

Aresco played smoke and mirrors with the BB schools as long as he possibly could.

I guess I'll never forget how juvenile and petty Aresco was when he first took over saying things like "I want to make the teams that are leaving regret that they left." LOL. It was a direct jab at SU and Pitt.
It was funny when he said it, and its much funnier now. That guys bark is much worse than his bite. He should have stayed in broadcasting.

I've been a member of csnbbs for 5 years and was lurking for a year or two before that. In all this time, I have never seen anyone as obsessed with a non-political topic as Trollgrass is with the A12. It is genuinely weird how much time and effort he puts into his campaign to portray the league in the most negative light he can find.

Tulsa to the nBE (or America 12) is not a lateral move as you state in one of your earlier comments, Tallgrass, not when you figure in all the IA "newbies" and nothing programs that C-USA is desperately bringing on for some reason over the next couple of years (oh yeah, for new, big TV markets...trouble is, it's one thing to be in a major metro market and quite another to be able to garner anything significant of that market).

The nBE is pretty much the old C-USA (better while UConn and UC remain), and the nC-USA is pretty much the old Sunbelt with a couple of good C-USA programs (USM, Tulsa) left but trying so very hard to get the heck out!

Your contstant threads bashing the BE are sometimes very funny they are so one-sided and prejudiced...man, you really, really, really hate the Big East, don't 'ya?

(03-12-2013 09:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 11:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:21 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SCSportsReport/statu...2850743296

Pinstripe will probably become B1G/ACC.

Liberty Bowl will probably degenerate down to level of Independence Bowl as BCS conferences continue to seek warm weather sites and/or domed stadiums versus fellow BCS opponents.

Future Nbe/A12 Bowls:
1. Liberty vs CUSA
2. Birmingham vs CUSA
3. St. Pete vs CUSA
4. New Orleans vs SBC
5. Military vs MAC
6. Independence vs SBC

I wouldn't be so sure about the Pinstripe going BIG/acc. Maybe if UConn is poached. Otherwise, the TBA would have two schools located closer than either northeastern acc school. Both of them and Navy if it joins, would be more likely to bring bigger crowds than any acc school not named cuse.

So you think UConn, Temple, and Navy are more attractive than Syracuse, Pitt, BC, UVA (about the same distance as Pitt)?

I don't see it.

When you see all of two dozen cuse or pitt fans show for the first game at your place you will understand. How's bc represented down in NC lately? Are you excited about the prospect of going to see a football game played in an open air baseball stadium in the Bronx in Dec? Exactly my point.

I have never been to a fb game at Rutgers. But I have seen how Rutgers fans travels to Syracuse. I will say this: Judging by the amount of Rutgers fans that show up to the Carrier Dome, I just have to believe that SU brings at least as many fans as Rutgers maybe a whole lot more.

I've been to several different BE schools for games over the years. As poorly as you think RU travels to cuse, we were probably one of the better traveling schools. VT from the original line-up traveled well. Miami brought a ND like subway fan base that had more to do with routing for a winner than routing for the school. In the BE 2.0, WV had the best traveling fan base that I saw.
That all being said; I took a look at the pictures of the dome for football the last few years. Are you sure that their weren't more RU fans than SU fans at that game in '11? it isn't high ticket demand that has driven cuse to sell its best OOC game to the NJSEA and play a "Home Game," out of state every year.

(03-12-2013 02:53 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I've been a member of csnbbs for 5 years and was lurking for a year or two before that. In all this time, I have never seen anyone as obsessed with a non-political topic as Trollgrass is with the A12. It is genuinely weird how much time and effort he puts into his campaign to portray the league in the most negative light he can find.

All while his alma mater anxiously awaits an invitation to join the A12/EAC. Good stuff!!