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RE: The Goodyear Line, 3/8
(03-09-2013 12:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I agree with PDoc....he nailed it. No reason to be mad at him, he's just calling a spade a spade here folks....

I don't. I feel his comments about "central park" xu vs "Lunkin playfield" UC were way off the mark. This new BE basketball league is just a variant of the A10 with a new place to play their conference tournament.
Basketball is a distant second compared to college football in terms of money and popularityand their lack of football will resign them to being relevant for about one month a year.
 
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RE: The Goodyear Line, 3/8
(03-09-2013 01:03 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 12:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I agree with PDoc....he nailed it. No reason to be mad at him, he's just calling a spade a spade here folks....

I don't. I feel his comments about "central park" xu vs "Lunkin playfield" UC were way off the mark. This new BE basketball league is just a variant of the A10 with a new place to play their conference tournament.
Basketball is a distant second compared to college football in terms of money and popularityand their lack of football will resign them to being relevant for about one month a year.

I agree. He only wrote those comments to stir the pot between both schools. Now Eggs fans will think there is some basis in fact to believe they are more that they really are in reality. Eggs is a mere rectal itch across the college landscape. Great they made a couple Great 8's. Good for them. It takes more than a couple good seasons to be a major player.
 
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RE: The Goodyear Line, 3/8
While PDoc is right in many things he says in his article below the way he says it rubs me the wrong way. Same as many of his articles. Just for fun I put a little twist on his story. Sorry about it being off topic.

Original Story: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/20...line-38-2/

On Monday, The Cincinnati Enquirer will unveil its new look and feel. As stated in a recent public release: “This change is historic. It has been years in the making”. What is this historic change that will allow the Cincinnati Enquirer to compete in today’s evolving rapid news delivery environments? Hold your breath. This is big, unbelievable that it could be accomplished in just a few years. Are you ready? To keep the Cincinnati Enquirer from folding they have removed the folds. They are going to a tabloid format.

They are tossing the format they have used for 170 years. The Cincinnati Enquirer will now join the format of the National Enquirer. Why stay with a city format when you can go national? Now instead of looking like the Wall Street Journal or New York Times they join the ranks of The Sun and Globe.

I can’t tell you how exciting this is for me, and I’m sure for you as well. Nothing says real-time news delivery like digging your rain-soaked square newspaper from under the bushes at 7:00 AM to find out what the score was for a game played at 1:00 PM the previous day. What’s the pitch to another fan when you see Kilpatrick get hurt at the end of the game? “I can’t wait to find out in 15 hours what happened to him when I get my new Cincinnati Enquirer delivered to me tomorrow!”

Everyone’s hope is that the Tabloid format allows newsprint to leap off the page. Change the way you feel about getting you news. Become a real page turner. Meantime….
Get outta there, Doc do it now.

Knee-walk to the offices of ESPN. Send tapes of your exciting conversations with UK fans while you were on the “Big One”. If ESPN will not talk to you, try WLW-TV or Sirius Radio. I hear Fox is starting up a new sports station. Maybe they will take you. Anything where they deliver news, not only on the same day, but in real time. More specifically, out of the wreckage where news delivery is barely a step faster than the U.S. Post Office. . All that’s at stake is the health of viable sports reporting.

Once you have lived among the giants, you cannot return to Lilliput. It’s not good for the bottom line, or the indigestion.

And really: tabloid?

How long will it be until your lead story is; “Reds rumored to be signing a Martian alien believed to be able to throw a 175 mile per hour curve ball.”

Like the stories your fellow “folder-less” newspapers are famous for: “Mick Cronin no longer worried about late season losing streak, the Enquirer has learned. After a hard fought practice an image of Jesus appeared on the sweat stained Ed Jucker court. It is a sign from above that we are on the right path and....”

Like the number of fans that actually read a newspaper for a sports score, or for that matter even read a newspaper.

Like a new ride for Danica Patrick. Like a new salad at McDonald’s, featuring soy, ginseng, poi, Pabst Blue Ribbon and eight kinds of Spam. Sorry that was really stupid, not sure why I put that in there.

Like. . . well, you get the idea.

Doc, Get outta there.

While we’re on the subject: Shouldn’t any newspaper trying to compete with cable, radio and the internet really promote that their ingenious idea was to remove the folds of the newspaper.

The shift in news delivery is breathtaking. It seems Overnight, sports news is now delivered by twitter, blogs and 10 second video flashes on cable. Sports news is now delivered as it happens. The Cincinnati Enquirer still relies on paper that most people wouldn’t even use to train a puppy.

The Enquirer has planned quietly for years, for something exciting to compete in this new world. You didn’t have to be Nostradamus to see that the idea they would come up with wouldn’t be innovative, but “no folds”.

When the time came, the Cincinnati Enquirer made their move, ESPN,and twitter may currently rule but you better be prepared , er, No folds. .

I am sure there is excitement in the halls of Northwestern, all the young sport reporter hopefuls talking about the historic change at the Cincinnati Enquirer. The prestige of the grand ol’ newspaper has returned.

What will happen when UC fans start hearing that the Cincinnati Enquirer now has no folds? How psyched will they be Monday? My guess is it will be similar to what most say about Doc’s stories. “We don’t want it and we certainly don’t need it,” UC guy might say.

No folds are innovative, no? At UC, it isn’t.
 
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RE: The Goodyear Line, 3/8
(03-09-2013 01:53 PM)zinzinnati Wrote:  While PDoc is right in many things he says in his article below the way he says it rubs me the wrong way. Same as many of his articles. Just for fun I put a little twist on his story. Sorry about it being off topic.

Original Story: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/20...line-38-2/

On Monday, The Cincinnati Enquirer will unveil its new look and feel. As stated in a recent public release: “This change is historic. It has been years in the making”. What is this historic change that will allow the Cincinnati Enquirer to compete in today’s evolving rapid news delivery environments? Hold your breath. This is big, unbelievable that it could be accomplished in just a few years. Are you ready? To keep the Cincinnati Enquirer from folding they have removed the folds. They are going to a tabloid format.

They are tossing the format they have used for 170 years. The Cincinnati Enquirer will now join the format of the National Enquirer. Why stay with a city format when you can go national? Now instead of looking like the Wall Street Journal or New York Times they join the ranks of The Sun and Globe.

I can’t tell you how exciting this is for me, and I’m sure for you as well. Nothing says real-time news delivery like digging your rain-soaked square newspaper from under the bushes at 7:00 AM to find out what the score was for a game played at 1:00 PM the previous day. What’s the pitch to another fan when you see Kilpatrick get hurt at the end of the game? “I can’t wait to find out in 15 hours what happened to him when I get my new Cincinnati Enquirer delivered to me tomorrow!”

Everyone’s hope is that the Tabloid format allows newsprint to leap off the page. Change the way you feel about getting you news. Become a real page turner. Meantime….
Get outta there, Doc do it now.

Knee-walk to the offices of ESPN. Send tapes of your exciting conversations with UK fans while you were on the “Big One”. If ESPN will not talk to you, try WLW-TV or Sirius Radio. I hear Fox is starting up a new sports station. Maybe they will take you. Anything where they deliver news, not only on the same day, but in real time. More specifically, out of the wreckage where news delivery is barely a step faster than the U.S. Post Office. . All that’s at stake is the health of viable sports reporting.

Once you have lived among the giants, you cannot return to Lilliput. It’s not good for the bottom line, or the indigestion.

And really: tabloid?

How long will it be until your lead story is; “Reds rumored to be signing a Martian alien believed to be able to throw a 175 mile per hour curve ball.”

Like the stories your fellow “folder-less” newspapers are famous for: “Mick Cronin no longer worried about late season losing streak, the Enquirer has learned. After a hard fought practice an image of Jesus appeared on the sweat stained Ed Jucker court. It is a sign from above that we are on the right path and....”

Like the number of fans that actually read a newspaper for a sports score, or for that matter even read a newspaper.

Like a new ride for Danica Patrick. Like a new salad at McDonald’s, featuring soy, ginseng, poi, Pabst Blue Ribbon and eight kinds of Spam. Sorry that was really stupid, not sure why I put that in there.

Like. . . well, you get the idea.

Doc, Get outta there.

While we’re on the subject: Shouldn’t any newspaper trying to compete with cable, radio and the internet really promote that their ingenious idea was to remove the folds of the newspaper.

The shift in news delivery is breathtaking. It seems Overnight, sports news is now delivered by twitter, blogs and 10 second video flashes on cable. Sports news is now delivered as it happens. The Cincinnati Enquirer still relies on paper that most people wouldn’t even use to train a puppy.

The Enquirer has planned quietly for years, for something exciting to compete in this new world. You didn’t have to be Nostradamus to see that the idea they would come up with wouldn’t be innovative, but “no folds”.

When the time came, the Cincinnati Enquirer made their move, ESPN,and twitter may currently rule but you better be prepared , er, No folds. .

I am sure there is excitement in the halls of Northwestern, all the young sport reporter hopefuls talking about the historic change at the Cincinnati Enquirer. The prestige of the grand ol’ newspaper has returned.

What will happen when UC fans start hearing that the Cincinnati Enquirer now has no folds? How psyched will they be Monday? My guess is it will be similar to what most say about Doc’s stories. “We don’t want it and we certainly don’t need it,” UC guy might say.

No folds are innovative, no? At UC, it isn’t.

X2.....but why slam the National Enquirer by comparing them to our bird cage liner?
 
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RE: The Goodyear Line, 3/8
I think Daugherty hit the nail on the head. Even the most ardent XU fan has to acknowledge that it is ridiculous that they will be earning double the TV contact for a UC program that 1) UC a football program that bring 30K to the house every week and 2) has a larger fanbase. XU fans will correctly state their attendance has been better for a number of years, but they know that UC has a larger fanbase and moves the needle in this town-- they are always quick to remind us how much bigger our school is.

It would be one thing for UC to get booted out of the BE for performance issues like Temple in 2004, it is quite the other to be a UC program that moved up to the BE and has won consistently. You just can't take 10 steps backwards and not expect the fanbase to tolerate it or the university and athletic dept. to suffer drastic consequences.
 
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(03-10-2013 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think Daugherty hit the nail on the head. Even the most ardent XU fan has to acknowledge that it is ridiculous that they will be earning double the TV contact for a UC program that 1) UC a football program that bring 30K to the house every week and 2) has a larger fanbase. XU fans will correctly state their attendance has been better for a number of years, but they know that UC has a larger fanbase and moves the needle in this town-- they are always quick to remind us how much bigger our school is.

It would be one thing for UC to get booted out of the BE for performance issues like Temple in 2004, it is quite the other to be a UC program that moved up to the BE and has won consistently. You just can't take 10 steps backwards and not expect the fanbase to tolerate it or the university and athletic dept. to suffer drastic consequences.

UC is still bringing in way more non attendance revenue than Xavier when you consider the Big East settlement and playoff system money. I wish more UC fans viewed this is a half step back for a short period. Next year there will be a name chance but the football and basketball schedule will be rock solid.
 
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(03-08-2013 04:19 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Of the two leagues here are the games I would like to see in descending order for Next season (minus Xavier but including Butler):
1. Louisville
2. UConn
3. Georgetown
4. Marquette
5. Memphis
6. Notre Dame
7. Villanova
8. Butler
9. St Johns
10. Temple
11-17. Providence/USF/UCF/Houston/SetonHall/Depaul/Rutgers (all about the same)
18-19. SMU/Tulane

Am I missing anyone?

Anyways... My generally point is Uconn/Memphis is a wash with Uconn/Marquette... After that there is not a ton of separation, but I'd give the depth edge to the Catholic 7.

That said...the money and football is worth leaving and the two leagues are not that far apart quality wise.

I would take out ND. They are likely to be gone to the ACC this summer. I would also move SMU up. They are one game under .500 this year with a team that is stacked with FR and SO players. Their only two seniors this year are a guy who averaged 2.8 pts and under 14 minutes a game and a guy who played in a grand total of 3 games this season. Larry Brown has things headed in the right direction there at warp speed and they are a team that next year will be a better draw than the current bottom of the Big East by the time conference play starts.
 
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