Just my two cents, the big east exit fees are $500,000...carry on

(03-07-2013 11:04 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:48 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

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(03-07-2013 10:11 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  What the newies are saying that they were told each would receive between $6-8 million per season to join BE; therefore, they should be covered for its lost, too. The three old schools really do not have a choice but to settle because without 8 newies where will Uconn, Cinn, and USF go........ either join new conference or a lower level conference. If three dissolve conference the monies go away to nobody....maybe NCAA. Newies believe old three should get more ($15-20 million each) with other monies as well as their $45-60 million being divided up over the 5 year tv contract with an additional $130 million from espn. It is still hard to believe c7 wanted the name BE so bad to give up $100 million to new conference but c7 did get a great tv contract, to. Anyway, it will all be settle because newies of 8 (NCAA required number) could form its own conference so both groups need each other and if three leave early they will lose monies as monies will be issued over a five year period. It is estimated each school should receive $3-4 million per five year contract. The hope is in five years the new conference will have proved its worth for bigger tv contract. Again, why so much negative as it is not a school who would not want to 3x its monies and probably have wrote letters to apply.

I think that's a valid point, but UConn and UC really make that conference. I don't think those three running off like children to MAC or C-USA (which they could do in a heartbeat, using the ACC 'the other option' is rather unlikely in the very near future) is at all likely or in the minds of the ADs, but it means that they do not really need the new members. If they were being fair then of course the money would be spread. They should be nice to their new friends, but I don't think that they have to be.

That said, if ODU were in the A-12 then I'd think my argument complete nonsense.

Hell, at the rate we're going ODU might wind up in the A12 or whatever it will be called.

Without UC and UConn, I really don't think that there's much between the two conferences. I'm really excited for C-USA; Mid Tenn, USM and others could blow up and be great. It all depends on how the next few years go, a few good recruiting classes and C-USA could perhaps have one or two ranked teams. However, the same could be said for the A-12 and I know what conference I'd rather be in right now (ignoring entry/exit fees, who the hell knows what they would be?) and it's the one with the better FL and NC teams, but that's because I'm East Coast.

Again, until July 1 ODU is a guest and should show respect to those schools who voted ODU into Cusa. You may not know (history lesson) but once Tulsa, ECU, and Tulane leaves there will be but one team (USM) whom have won a Cusa football title.........so yes the better football teams will be leaving except USM. Only time will tell but based on tv markets I can see ODU and UNCC (if they can play successfullly at higher level) being top replacements when Acc picks nBE. (Haters......its only an opinion)

So many things! First of all ODU has been given a place in this section of the forum, I'm not a guest. Secondly, half of C-USA remain, so making a comment about the relative quality of two conferences isn't showing lack of respect to the people that voted us in. It is literally six of one and half a dozen of the other. Finally I said that I would rather be in A-12 than C-USA, even without UC and UConn.

That said, I stand by my statement that although the A-12 without UConn and UC is a better conference than C-USA, I think that moving between the two right now is more lateral than moving up. It's like a gentle walk in the Appalachians, not a Himalayan trek. C-USA has/will have some great teams in Marshall, USM, Midd Tenn, LA Tech and perhaps Ark St if we're lucky. I think those five teams can be as good as any A-12 team (except UC) given one or two decent recruiting classes. Personally though I would like to be in a conference with ECU, USF and UCF because of geography, attendance and FL recruiting (like I said before, A-12 has better NC and FL teams, if ODU were in that conference, they would be the teams that we play more). I struggle to see how any of that may be deemed a lack of respect, let alone why you think you can demand respect.

well since USM is not a member of that conference and as far as I know isn't going to be, I will just say I hope it works out ok for our former members. I am sorry things didn't happen to allow the recent events to be available to them before they joined, and hopefully they will do ok.

(03-08-2013 12:01 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:04 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:48 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

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(03-07-2013 10:25 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  I think that's a valid point, but UConn and UC really make that conference. I don't think those three running off like children to MAC or C-USA (which they could do in a heartbeat, using the ACC 'the other option' is rather unlikely in the very near future) is at all likely or in the minds of the ADs, but it means that they do not really need the new members. If they were being fair then of course the money would be spread. They should be nice to their new friends, but I don't think that they have to be.

That said, if ODU were in the A-12 then I'd think my argument complete nonsense.

Hell, at the rate we're going ODU might wind up in the A12 or whatever it will be called.

Without UC and UConn, I really don't think that there's much between the two conferences. I'm really excited for C-USA; Mid Tenn, USM and others could blow up and be great. It all depends on how the next few years go, a few good recruiting classes and C-USA could perhaps have one or two ranked teams. However, the same could be said for the A-12 and I know what conference I'd rather be in right now (ignoring entry/exit fees, who the hell knows what they would be?) and it's the one with the better FL and NC teams, but that's because I'm East Coast.

Again, until July 1 ODU is a guest and should show respect to those schools who voted ODU into Cusa. You may not know (history lesson) but once Tulsa, ECU, and Tulane leaves there will be but one team (USM) whom have won a Cusa football title.........so yes the better football teams will be leaving except USM. Only time will tell but based on tv markets I can see ODU and UNCC (if they can play successfullly at higher level) being top replacements when Acc picks nBE. (Haters......its only an opinion)

So many things! First of all ODU has been given a place in this section of the forum, I'm not a guest. Secondly, half of C-USA remain, so making a comment about the relative quality of two conferences isn't showing lack of respect to the people that voted us in. It is literally six of one and half a dozen of the other. Finally I said that I would rather be in A-12 than C-USA, even without UC and UConn.

That said, I stand by my statement that although the A-12 without UConn and UC is a better conference than C-USA, I think that moving between the two right now is more lateral than moving up. It's like a gentle walk in the Appalachians, not a Himalayan trek. C-USA has/will have some great teams in Marshall, USM, Midd Tenn, LA Tech and perhaps Ark St if we're lucky. I think those five teams can be as good as any A-12 team (except UC) given one or two decent recruiting classes. Personally though I would like to be in a conference with ECU, USF and UCF because of geography, attendance and FL recruiting (like I said before, A-12 has better NC and FL teams, if ODU were in that conference, they would be the teams that we play more). I struggle to see how any of that may be deemed a lack of respect, let alone why you think you can demand respect.

Those are fair comments, ODUgradstudent.

Looks like the a-12 is going to be a long happy marriage. Congrats, by the way my present had the wrong name on it so just ignore the To the New Big East members. Hope you guys really enjoy the KY because there sure does seem there is a lot of screwing going on.

Why should the new members get more cash, they didnt contribute one thing. If you guys wouldn't have been invited, someone else would have. You really have no leverage.

I am sure the UConn and UC brass are blwoing up the phones of the ACC, etc. to get out of this trainwreck.

I will say that even though their fans have been quite arrogant for no reason all of sudden, I do wish ECU well. You guys are pretty cool.

(03-08-2013 08:03 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  Looks like the a-12 is going to be a long happy marriage. Congrats, by the way my present had the wrong name on it so just ignore the To the New Big East members. Hope you guys really enjoy the KY because there sure does seem there is a lot of screwing going on.

you cheap bastard...shoulda sent astroglide....

(03-07-2013 10:01 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  When you have the President of Cincy sending out love letters to the Presidents of the ACC schools, do you really think he gives a crap what the new schools want?

Yes, because the ACC does not want them and as much as they would hate to admit it they do not have any other options and they need the newbies.

(03-08-2013 08:33 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Why should the new members get more cash, they didnt contribute one thing. If you guys wouldn't have been invited, someone else would have. You really have no leverage.

I am sure the UConn and UC brass are blwoing up the phones of the ACC, etc. to get out of this trainwreck.

I will say that even though their fans have been quite arrogant for no reason all of sudden, I do wish ECU well. You guys are pretty cool.

Thanks......ECU and MU will always have a connect because of the sad airplane accident. If any of old three teams do leave new conference I do hope Marshall will be selected. It is a good game for both fan base.

(03-07-2013 10:52 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

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(03-07-2013 10:27 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Interesting development.

A few days ago a couple of posters here asked when our AD would speak about the status of the new conference. Looks like we got the answer.

I understand the reason for the stance, because the conference that exists isn't the conference that Memphis joined. However, I'm just not understanding any legal basis for any "demands", if that's what's being done. We didn't do anything to "earn" any of the exit fees/BB credits from the programs that are leaving.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

You are correct that the new teams did not earn or create that pot of money. What you have are the Presidents and AD's of the schools that joined a house of cards trying to save face with this demand. It really is a no brainer to make the demand. That said, fat chance of it working in my opinion.

Ok but in the case of Memphis for example they are leaving behind a bunch of money in basketball credits. Everyone is giving up some amount of money even if it is just exit and entrance fees. So the new members are absolutely entitled to some compensation for the loss of the name which negatively affects our future.

I think everyone outside of ECU and Tulane would have to spend more money to not join that conference at this point. So essentially these teams invited the C-USA schools and had them sign a contract to join a conference, then sold off a bunch of the assets between the time they signed and when they start participation. No one is arguing that the new teams deserve compensation. There are just now ongoing negotiations about how much that is.

Why is this a C-USA issue?

Lets say you went out and bought a house five years ago that appraised for $400,000 and you felt that money was worth it for the house based on the the quality of the new neighborhood over your present home's neighborhood, even though the house itself wasn't that much of an improvement.

Then the housing bubble bursts and you are stuck with a $300,000 house you paid $400,000 for. Do you think you can ask the person that sold you that house for the difference? Or better yet, do you think you should ask the owners that were in the neighborhood when you bought the house for the difference?

No, it was a bad decision and decisions have consequences. At the time you bought the house it looked like a wise decision, but you know what, s#$t happens. You bite the bullet, take your loss and move on.

What you say here is 100% accurate but it does not mirror what has happened in this deal. Sure the old schools nor the new schools could be held responsible for teams leaving the conference. Where most people are missing the point is what the 3 holdovers have done with little respect for the new schools wishes. They have basically sold off the conference that we agreed to join and want to take the assets from the fire sale and keep them for themselves. Now we all know why they did this, it is clear they have no desire to be in the league long term and just decided to bank as much money as they could. There was disagreement from the new members about selling off the Big East name and giving away the rights to the MSG deal but they did it anyway.

I agree that none of the new schools have contributed to the money in the Big East but for the remaining 3 schools to sell off the league and expect to keep all the money along with having the new members pay entrance fees is not fair. I do not think the new schools are expecting to get an even share but I think they would like this to have a more structured and equitable outcome. It really makes no sense for the league to basically hand out its entire nut...Some of that money should be kept in league coffers for stability and some of this money should be used to strengthen the conference through marketing.

While the old schools clearly have a right to more money out of this situation the thing to remember is that the money is owed to the league and not the individual schools....Any reasonable person can see how it would be damaging to the league to distribute all of this money with no assurances that these schools remain in the conference. Distribution of this money should be done over an extended period of time and if a schools leaves before this timeframe then they should forfeit their right to payments from this money.

It is my understanding that the new schools are not looking to have all this money paid out and want a larger share right now...They would prefer this money be put in the league coffers after some initial distribution amount to each school with the remaining schools receiving a larger share...But again, it makes no sense for the league to just blindly agree to giving the remaining schools 90% of this money when this money should be used to build and strengthen the conference for years to come.

To be honest everyone in C-USA should be getting a big laugh out of all this. I think we all knew the Big Whatever was dysfunctional, but it's reached levels that even the biggest critics couldn't have imagined. I'm not real worried about ECU's long term future because of this, as no matter how this ends up we'll be in some gang of 5 league, but if ECU were still in C-USA I'd be laughing my arse off right now.

We are, my sides are hurting....

(03-08-2013 12:01 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:04 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:48 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:39 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:25 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  I think that's a valid point, but UConn and UC really make that conference. I don't think those three running off like children to MAC or C-USA (which they could do in a heartbeat, using the ACC 'the other option' is rather unlikely in the very near future) is at all likely or in the minds of the ADs, but it means that they do not really need the new members. If they were being fair then of course the money would be spread. They should be nice to their new friends, but I don't think that they have to be.

That said, if ODU were in the A-12 then I'd think my argument complete nonsense.

Hell, at the rate we're going ODU might wind up in the A12 or whatever it will be called.

Without UC and UConn, I really don't think that there's much between the two conferences. I'm really excited for C-USA; Mid Tenn, USM and others could blow up and be great. It all depends on how the next few years go, a few good recruiting classes and C-USA could perhaps have one or two ranked teams. However, the same could be said for the A-12 and I know what conference I'd rather be in right now (ignoring entry/exit fees, who the hell knows what they would be?) and it's the one with the better FL and NC teams, but that's because I'm East Coast.

Again, until July 1 ODU is a guest and should show respect to those schools who voted ODU into Cusa. You may not know (history lesson) but once Tulsa, ECU, and Tulane leaves there will be but one team (USM) whom have won a Cusa football title.........so yes the better football teams will be leaving except USM. Only time will tell but based on tv markets I can see ODU and UNCC (if they can play successfullly at higher level) being top replacements when Acc picks nBE. (Haters......its only an opinion)

So many things! First of all ODU has been given a place in this section of the forum, I'm not a guest. Secondly, half of C-USA remain, so making a comment about the relative quality of two conferences isn't showing lack of respect to the people that voted us in. It is literally six of one and half a dozen of the other. Finally I said that I would rather be in A-12 than C-USA, even without UC and UConn.

That said, I stand by my statement that although the A-12 without UConn and UC is a better conference than C-USA, I think that moving between the two right now is more lateral than moving up. It's like a gentle walk in the Appalachians, not a Himalayan trek. C-USA has/will have some great teams in Marshall, USM, Midd Tenn, LA Tech and perhaps Ark St if we're lucky. I think those five teams can be as good as any A-12 team (except UC) given one or two decent recruiting classes. Personally though I would like to be in a conference with ECU, USF and UCF because of geography, attendance and FL recruiting (like I said before, A-12 has better NC and FL teams, if ODU were in that conference, they would be the teams that we play more). I struggle to see how any of that may be deemed a lack of respect, let alone why you think you can demand respect.

Based on Conf Championships and name recognition your argument is not a good one. Once ODU has fielded a FBS team for a few years then you will be in better position to make an argument. Ask your AD which of the teams in the two leagues he would rather be in a conf with. If you are worried about gate receipts you are going to feel much more comfortable playing the teams in the A-12 than the ones left in Conf USA( USM the exception)

(03-07-2013 09:42 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  http://ajerseyguy.com/
The new schools, headed by Memphis, SMU and Central Florida, objected to a distribution plan which would have given the old schools as much as 90 percent of that total. The new schools wanted a much more even distribution, arguing that the Big East conference which existed when they made the decision to join had change dramatically in the past several months. So much in fact, that they should be compensated on a more equitable basis.

The old schools said that that none of the schools–with the exception of Temple which joined as a member in football last July–had done anything to contribute to the money that was in the fund and did not deserve a greater share.

Don't f' with UCF....

I'm not too worried about league affiliation right now. I think we're in for another 10 years of conference turmoil before things settle down. Some folks have called this a TV Bubble...and that really seems plausible. Schools are behaving irrationally and throwing away 50 to 100 years of tradition in pursuit of TV dollars. At some point the bubble will burst and sanity will return. Then maybe we'll see a true realignment that makes sense.

Until then, I'll support my school no matter who we play and do everything I can to help them grow and prosper. In the long run, winning creates excitement and prosperity. Excitement and prosperity lead to greater opportunities.

I think arguing about which conference is superior is kind of a waste of time. It's like engaging in a "who has the biggest little dick" contest. I'm not sure winning is that much of an honor! Last year should have shown us that being a member of a BCS conference doesn't necessarily make you a better team/school. Lot's of Gof5 schools beat BCS schools. It's nice to hang out with the cool kids, but at some point you're judged on your own merits.

(03-08-2013 10:56 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'm not too worried about league affiliation right now. I think we're in for another 10 years of conference turmoil before things settle down. Some folks have called this a TV Bubble...and that really seems plausible. Schools are behaving irrationally and throwing away 50 to 100 years of tradition in pursuit of TV dollars. At some point the bubble will burst and sanity will return. Then maybe we'll see a true realignment that makes sense.
Until then, I'll support my school no matter who we play and do everything I can to help them grow and prosper. In the long run, winning creates excitement and prosperity. Excitement and prosperity lead to greater opportunities.
I think arguing about which conference is superior is kind of a waste of time. It's like engaging in a "who has the biggest little dick" contest. I'm not sure winning is that much of an honor! Last year should have shown us that being a member of a BCS conference doesn't necessarily make you a better team/school. Lot's of Gof5 schools beat BCS schools. It's nice to hang out with the cool kids, but at some point you're judged on your own merits.

Or you can argue, given the popularity of live sporting events and the need to fill air time, that they are ca$hing in on a hundred years of tradition.

Either way, the main rivalries are still there: Florida/Georgia, Mich/OH State, Alabama/Auburn, USC/ND, Army/Navy, etc. We have lost aTm/Texas, Nebraska/OU but the lost rivalries are the exception not the rule from what I can see.

It will all be worked out in the end. The A12 schools have no options other than membership in some other Gof5 conference that's making similar money. There's nowhere to go.

(03-07-2013 09:54 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 09:51 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  or the remaining 3 can collect the money and vote to disband the conference

Bingo...you hit the jackpot...

I'm no lawyer - I do understand the "entity" remains even though the name will change. HOWEVER, if completely disbanded, do the teams who left still owe departure fees to the then non-existent conference?

(03-08-2013 12:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  It will all be worked out in the end. The A12 schools have no options other than membership in some other Gof5 conference that's making similar money. There's nowhere to go.

It will be worked out....new conference has a bigger contract than mwc or cusa........plus $100 million from c7 for be name to be distributed.....when monies are involved there will be issues but no school is walking away from a bigger contract than other conferences available at present time. Money talks and everything will be settle soon as no school is going back for lower amount,.

(03-08-2013 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  To be honest everyone in C-USA should be getting a big laugh out of all this. I think we all knew the Big Whatever was dysfunctional, but it's reached levels that even the biggest critics couldn't have imagined. I'm not real worried about ECU's long term future because of this, as no matter how this ends up we'll be in some gang of 5 league, but if ECU were still in C-USA I'd be laughing my arse off right now.

What was particularly funny/ironic was when the Conference America 12 TV contract numbers came out; not even the biggest A 12 trolls predicted the numbers to be so low. It was less than half of what I thought the conference would get. Simply unreal.