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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 09:16 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-21-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote: (03-21-2013 06:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: So 12 for football and 11 for basketball, is that right?
yep.
Unless BYU or Houston is interested, and I don't think they are, MWC will stay at 12 for FB and 11 for BB is my guess.
Same as the new conference will be. 12 for football and 11 for basketball (Oly Sports).
I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:16 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-21-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote: (03-21-2013 06:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: So 12 for football and 11 for basketball, is that right?
yep.
Unless BYU or Houston is interested, and I don't think they are, MWC will stay at 12 for FB and 11 for BB is my guess.
Same as the new conference will be. 12 for football and 11 for basketball (Oly Sports).
I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I do think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-20-2013 08:50 PM)Texas2Step Wrote: We're not going to the MWC.
If the America 12 takes one more hit, you better hope so.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 12:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
They probably lose $ when it's renegotiated for the A-10 without Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and St Louis.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
They probably lose $ when it's renegotiated for the A-10 without Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and St Louis.
They might not. CUSA didn't. The Mountain West didn't. The Big 12 didn't. OTOH, the WAC did when Boise left. Not sure if the CAA took a haircut or not when VCU and ODU left. NBC-SN and CBS-SN will still need inventory. ESPN will still want first pick of the A-10 games.
The deal is $5M a year spread over three networks. That makes it a little more complicated.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
They probably lose $ when it's renegotiated for the A-10 without Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and St Louis.
Don't be 100% sure about Dayton and Saint Louis. Expanding to 12 would dilute the Big East's per-school payout, unless Fox is promising to keep the per-school payout the same for a 12-team league as it is for a 10-team league.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 01:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
They probably lose $ when it's renegotiated for the A-10 without Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and St Louis.
They might not. CUSA didn't. The Mountain West didn't. The Big 12 didn't. OTOH, the WAC did when Boise left. Not sure if the CAA took a haircut or not when VCU and ODU left. NBC-SN and CBS-SN will still need inventory. ESPN will still want first pick of the A-10 games.
The deal is $5M a year spread over three networks. That makes it a little more complicated.
CUSA had to add 2 more teams not to.
MWC was undervalued and they had a fixed setup.
I see it as a WAC/Boise situation.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 11:22 AM)Afflicted Wrote: (03-20-2013 08:50 PM)Texas2Step Wrote: We're not going to the MWC.
If the America 12 takes one more hit, you better hope so.
Whenever this mythological hit is taken, eventually, we will have much better landing spot than the MWC.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 01:11 PM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 01:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 12:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Especially since they'd be making about the same money as they are in the A-10. The Aresco 12 all-sports members will be making about $2M each, say a 70-30 split means VCU would be getting about $500,000. The A-10 gets about $5M a year now, before defections and renegotiations.
With any luck though we'll settle it by inviting VCU to the Big East with Saint Louis.
They probably lose $ when it's renegotiated for the A-10 without Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and St Louis.
They might not. CUSA didn't. The Mountain West didn't. The Big 12 didn't. OTOH, the WAC did when Boise left. Not sure if the CAA took a haircut or not when VCU and ODU left. NBC-SN and CBS-SN will still need inventory. ESPN will still want first pick of the A-10 games.
The deal is $5M a year spread over three networks. That makes it a little more complicated.
CUSA had to add 2 more teams not to.
MWC was undervalued and they had a fixed setup.
I see it as a WAC/Boise situation.
It resembled WAC/Boise, as the remaining teams don't look like a conference that commands any TV revenue. Three networks with fingers in the pie might mean that the A-10 gets paid anyway--ESPN will still want the top picks, and they're paying chump change by their standards. NBC-SN and CBS-SN have to show something--don't they? On the other hand, they could see another chance to pinch pennies and back out of the deal, leaving more for ESPN(3).
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I think the new conference will add 1 for non-football to bring basketball up to 12. Almost like a counterweight to Navy in football.
Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (03-22-2013 09:56 AM)apex_pirate Wrote: Is there really a need to do so? Is schedulling for 11 an issue?
I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
One who's concerned that the next power-conference earthquake rips apart the ACC, with 2 more to the Big Ten, 2 to the ACC, 2-6 to the Big 12, and the ACC backfilling from the Aresco LEague, which would then have no UConn, no Cincy, no TV contract and would have to go get more FBS teams.
There are positives to the Aresco League, but it's not the automatic decision it was when you guys were expecting to have money.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
don't think ESPN got the A10's top picks this year even.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:09 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I don't think it's imperative, but I go think scheduling for 12 is much easier than scheduling for 11, and if -- repeating, IF -- there is a logical fit for a 12th spot, why not?
The challenge is to make sure that if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you do it right. I think VCU would be an example of doing it right, but we'll see.
VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
One who's concerned that the next power-conference earthquake rips apart the ACC, with 2 more to the Big Ten, 2 to the ACC, 2-6 to the Big 12, and the ACC backfilling from the Aresco LEague, which would then have no UConn, no Cincy, no TV contract and would have to go get more FBS teams.
There are positives to the Aresco League, but it's not the automatic decision it was when you guys were expecting to have money.
It's not just about what the Aresco League is or what might happen to it. It's also about what's already happened to the A-10.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-22-2013 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:10 AM)S11 Wrote: VCU, Richmond, Wichita State, and George Mason would be the best possible additions of the schools that might be persuaded.
VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
One who's concerned that the next power-conference earthquake rips apart the ACC, with 2 more to the Big Ten, 2 to the ACC, 2-6 to the Big 12, and the ACC backfilling from the Aresco LEague, which would then have no UConn, no Cincy, no TV contract and would have to go get more FBS teams.
There are positives to the Aresco League, but it's not the automatic decision it was when you guys were expecting to have money.
It's not just about what the Aresco League is or what might happen to it. It's also about what's already happened to the A-10.
The A-10's still a conference. If certain widely expected events occur (UConn, Cincy to ACC, Houston, SMU to MWC) the Aresco LEague could be in WAC territory.
On the other hand, VCU shouldn't be to worried about finding a home if the Aresco 12 implodes.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-23-2013 12:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote: VCU has already been kicked to the curb once by a conference in which football ran the show -- would they really be dumb enough to make that same mistake twice?
Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
One who's concerned that the next power-conference earthquake rips apart the ACC, with 2 more to the Big Ten, 2 to the ACC, 2-6 to the Big 12, and the ACC backfilling from the Aresco LEague, which would then have no UConn, no Cincy, no TV contract and would have to go get more FBS teams.
There are positives to the Aresco League, but it's not the automatic decision it was when you guys were expecting to have money.
It's not just about what the Aresco League is or what might happen to it. It's also about what's already happened to the A-10.
The A-10's still a conference. If certain widely expected events occur (UConn, Cincy to ACC, Houston, SMU to MWC) the Aresco LEague could be in WAC territory.
On the other hand, VCU shouldn't be to worried about finding a home if the Aresco 12 implodes.
I wouldn't say Houston and SMU to the MWC would be widely expected, even if UConn and Cincy leave. I don't think those schools have any interest being in a western league. I know you want the Aresco league to fail, but it's just not going to happen. You have to be realistic.
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RE: MWC TV deal finalized
(03-23-2013 01:21 AM)stever20 Wrote: (03-23-2013 12:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-22-2013 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-22-2013 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Exactly. Not when they could stay in the A10 with no Temple, no Butler, no Charlotte, and no Xavier. Why in the heck would they want to make twice as much money, be on national tv more, and play UConn, Cinci, Memphis, and Temple.? Seriously, what idiot would want to that?
One who's concerned that the next power-conference earthquake rips apart the ACC, with 2 more to the Big Ten, 2 to the ACC, 2-6 to the Big 12, and the ACC backfilling from the Aresco LEague, which would then have no UConn, no Cincy, no TV contract and would have to go get more FBS teams.
There are positives to the Aresco League, but it's not the automatic decision it was when you guys were expecting to have money.
It's not just about what the Aresco League is or what might happen to it. It's also about what's already happened to the A-10.
The A-10's still a conference. If certain widely expected events occur (UConn, Cincy to ACC, Houston, SMU to MWC) the Aresco LEague could be in WAC territory.
On the other hand, VCU shouldn't be to worried about finding a home if the Aresco 12 implodes.
I wouldn't say Houston and SMU to the MWC would be widely expected, even if UConn and Cincy leave.
You can't say it's not widely expected. You can say it's unlikely, because the SMU and UH administrations are committed to an Eastern marketing strategy, and I'd agree.
Quote:I don't think those schools have any interest being in a western league. I know you want the Aresco league to fail, but it's just not going to happen. You have to be realistic.
VCU's admins have to be realistic too. And these are things they have to think about before they accept an Aresco League invite. I think they accept the invite. But it's not the slam dunk it would have been before the $20M TV contract became public. It's a matter of lots of due diligence, confirming details and contingency plans. And one big factor is that, even if VCU is left high and dry, they're a much more attractive property than they were in 1995 when they got ditched by the Metro schools.
You say I want the Aresco League to fail. I think they've failed all they can, really.
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