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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:03 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 03:37 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 03:35 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  It's going to require more than 1 addition to get to 12.

it will once UCONN, Cincy, and possibly USF leave


Where are they going......do you have some inside information that no one else knows? If any of three leave there are schools lining up to take their place. (Why do you think USM hired an outside group to evaluate its programs.....to get into a better confernce). How do you think La. Tech got into Cusa......some schools left.......that is way it works......be thankful and respectful to present members whom voted to left La. Tech out of WAC (western america) when no other conference wanted you. Again, you are a guest until July 1.

I have a few although they're becoming less and less the longer I get away from my collegiate athletics employment days, and he's not far off.

Obviously, no one knows exactly what's going to transpire, but I do know that Delaney and his TV partners have put together two models - one with 16 and one with 18 and both include acquiring schools within the southeastern US footprint. It may be GT. It may be UNC. It may end up being both or it may end up being someone else, but it's going to happen and there is little the SEC can do about it short of going to 18 or 20 themselves (which they won't do) and adding schools from a state they said they wouldn't (which they may have to do). Someone is going to [renege] perhaps on UGA. It's really hard to imagine the SEC allowing the Big Ten into the heart of SEC country (Atlanta).

Anyway, what happens next is anyone's guess, but a flight to safety by remaining ACC schools will commence. It may be that some schools want out of the ACC more than the SEC or Big 12 want them, but ultimately neither conference is going to turn down easy opportunities to grow their brands (and extra money that will come with it) regardless of what they say today.

So, again I go back to what happens then particularly to all of the rest of us? That's less of a known but it essentially comes down to how many will the ACC need (and then how many do they want). If I were going to guess the Big Ten and SEC will be 16-team leagues in a couple of years. The Big 12 and PAC 12 will be 12-team leagues and the ACC will need four to six depending on what number they decide is right. That leaves the fledgling America 12 in a precarious position. Yes, it can then pluck whomever it wants from C-USA and maybe even the MAC. But if your Houston, SMU, Tulsa and Memphis will that really be the direction you want to go?? With the MWC emerging into such a good basketball league Memphis is going to have hard time staying with it if the A12 is imploding. MWC has said they don't want to expand, but they've already had their eyes on Houston and SMU. They'll look at them again and the reception may be warmer this time particularly when folks come to the realization that the MWC TV deal - from what I'm hearing - is going to at a minimum get close to the A12 deal and could surpass it with the right additions.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.

Tougher basketball than Memphis,UC,UCONN?


Okay then.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.

What baggage exists with Memphis, UConn, and Cincy?
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:53 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.

Tougher basketball than Memphis,UC,UCONN?


Okay then.

Not to mention Temple and UCF are strong programs. ECU is ahead of all left over CUSA schools except UTEP and USM this year...

I would put money on the RPI of the A12 being higher than CUSA in two years
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

For Navy to ever be part of the playoff system they will have to change how they recruit. 80 of their students would have to be brought in for their football ability first and their fit as future officers second. For most schools missions, that is fine. I hope it is never fine for Army, Navy, and Air Force.
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(03-07-2013 06:59 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  ECU is ahead of all left over CUSA schools except UTEP and USM this year...

I see you edited that :)
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
Your sources huh.
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(03-07-2013 06:07 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  2) it's in a small town.

I live in a small town of just over 2k.

Hattiesburg has over 45k people and our metro is at 124k people. Not a big city, but certainly not a small town either.

Not arguing your overall point, just this term.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:53 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.

Tougher basketball than Memphis,UC,UCONN?


Okay then.

And Temple.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
I've been saying this was a possibility all along. Athletically, and academically, we're on par with the American 12. Our market problem is no worse than Tulane's performance problem, Boise's piss-poor location, or Tulsa's minuscule enrollment. I don't know anything about sources, but it wouldn't surprise me if lack of interest on USM's part has played a role in how all of this has turned out. The recent hiring of a realignment consultant may reflect Dr. Bennett's desire to revisit this decision. If USM's lack of interest was for financial reasons, I think that was misguided. There is money to be had in the American 12. But there may have been other things that played into it. I don't know.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

If it's all about TV markets, we'll be getting a raise :)
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USM sources saying no one on their end is interested is pretty self serving.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

If it's all about TV markets, we'll be getting a raise :)

CUSA will be getting whatever it is that CUSA is contracted to get now through 2015-16 when the brand new current contract runs out

there is not going to be any renegotiation period
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 07:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
I've been saying this was a possibility all along. Athletically, and academically, we're on par with the American 12. Our market problem is no worse than Tulane's performance problem, Boise's piss-poor location, or Tulsa's minuscule enrollment. I don't know anything about sources, but it wouldn't surprise me if lack of interest on USM's part has played a role in how all of this has turned out. The recent hiring of a realignment consultant may reflect Dr. Bennett's desire to revisit this decision. If USM's lack of interest was for financial reasons, I think that was misguided. There is money to be had in the American 12. But there may have been other things that played into it. I don't know.

I think USM doesn't want to move to a conference that isn't going to get us more money over the long haul and guarantee us a shot at BCS bowls.

Now I know you're going to say the A12 will be better money.. The Big East would've, but how can you market the A12? There's a reason why I build buildings and people at USM make decisions on where we play sports.
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(03-07-2013 08:55 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 07:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
I've been saying this was a possibility all along. Athletically, and academically, we're on par with the American 12. Our market problem is no worse than Tulane's performance problem, Boise's piss-poor location, or Tulsa's minuscule enrollment. I don't know anything about sources, but it wouldn't surprise me if lack of interest on USM's part has played a role in how all of this has turned out. The recent hiring of a realignment consultant may reflect Dr. Bennett's desire to revisit this decision. If USM's lack of interest was for financial reasons, I think that was misguided. There is money to be had in the American 12. But there may have been other things that played into it. I don't know.

I think USM doesn't want to move to a conference that isn't going to get us more money over the long haul and guarantee us a shot at BCS bowls.

Now I know you're going to say the A12 will be better money.. The Big East would've, but how can you market the A12? There's a reason why I build buildings and people at USM make decisions on where we play sports.


I think the perception for the A-12 is going to be greater than the NCUSA. Now, before everybody starts yelling at me--I said perception.

Basically, some may think that USM would be better off playing with UCONN,UC,USF, navy, Houston etc--than ODU and UTSA.

No disrespect to any program. I'm sure they all have their strong suits. But, the NCUSA is more of an unknown right now.

For what it's worth, I think Tulsa is next up, and I think they jump ship. I also don't think it's a lateral move, but I certainly can understand that school of thought.

Good luck to USM and whatever they do.
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(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

If it's all about TV markets, we'll be getting a raise :)

Sad to say as ACC picks the nBE........nBE will pick Cusa and such schools as UNCC Charlotte and ODU..........not best football teams but best markets. That is why nBE tv contract is lower now and Cusa will be even less with all your newies, too. ECU and USM have a long history together and go back before either Cusa or BE........we are brothers forever with nothing but love and respect.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

Kronke, just keep believing that little pipe dream that you guys have. You have already been proven fools for your venture. We will see who comes out of this smelling like a rose in the end. We will be instantly a better basketball league than we are now, and football is probably just as good now and in three years will be much better. Good luck, you will certainly need it. Come back over in three years and we will have this discussion again, if you hadn't gone off the deep end by then.
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RE: Tulsa is only school under consideration for 12th spot in America 12
(03-07-2013 07:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Navy will be joining the OBE. They need a Conf to join in order to participate in the new playoff/bowl system.

As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.
I've been saying this was a possibility all along. Athletically, and academically, we're on par with the American 12. Our market problem is no worse than Tulane's performance problem, Boise's piss-poor location, or Tulsa's minuscule enrollment. I don't know anything about sources, but it wouldn't surprise me if lack of interest on USM's part has played a role in how all of this has turned out. The recent hiring of a realignment consultant may reflect Dr. Bennett's desire to revisit this decision. If USM's lack of interest was for financial reasons, I think that was misguided. There is money to be had in the American 12. But there may have been other things that played into it. I don't know.

If it was for financial reasons, and it partially will be, it is a brilliant move not to go. Who needs to pay a large sum of money to keep the status quo?. In three or four years the defectors will be saying...."I could have had a V8!!!"
03-07-2013 09:20 PM
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