Should get serious consideration for C-USA player of the year. He went to the same high school I attended in Raleigh. Glad he is with the Green Wave instead of the wolfpups. I imagine he might have a NBA jersey in somewhere at Athens Drive in the not too distant future.

(03-06-2013 09:16 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  Should get serious consideration for C-USA player of the year. He went to the same high school I attended in Raleigh. Glad he is with the Green Wave instead of the wolfpups. I imagine he might have a NBA jersey in somewhere at Athens Drive in the not too distant future.

1. TaShawn Thomas-HOU 28.0
2. Maurice Kemp-ECAR 27.0
3. Michael Craig-SMS 26.7
4. Josh Davis-TLN 26.0
5. John Bohannon-TXEP 25.3
6. D.J. Stephens-MEM 24.9
7. Akeem Richmond-ECAR 23.6
8. Joseph Young-HOU 23.4
9. Keith Clanton-CFL 23.2
10. Isaiah Sykes-CFL 23.1

Those are the most productive players per minutes in CUSA.

(03-07-2013 10:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 09:16 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  Should get serious consideration for C-USA player of the year. He went to the same high school I attended in Raleigh. Glad he is with the Green Wave instead of the wolfpups. I imagine he might have a NBA jersey in somewhere at Athens Drive in the not too distant future.

1. TaShawn Thomas-HOU 28.0
2. Maurice Kemp-ECAR 27.0
3. Michael Craig-SMS 26.7
4. Josh Davis-TLN 26.0
5. John Bohannon-TXEP 25.3
6. D.J. Stephens-MEM 24.9
7. Akeem Richmond-ECAR 23.6
8. Joseph Young-HOU 23.4
9. Keith Clanton-CFL 23.2
10. Isaiah Sykes-CFL 23.1

Those are the most productive players per minutes in CUSA.

If those are the 10 best players in the conference, 3 coaches have some explaining to do. 25% of the programs have 60% of the most productive players in the conference.

(03-07-2013 11:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  [quote='Sti
If those are the 10 best players in the conference, 3 coaches have some explaining to do. 25% of the programs have 60% of the most productive players in the conference.

On the other hand, Tulane will have a first team all league player, may have a second team all league player (Tarrant). Yet we will finish in the second division and possibly tie for 2nd to last. That's why this coach is so frustrating. We were blown out by only 1 team (@UTEP), but just way to few Ws.

(03-07-2013 12:06 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  [quote='Sti
If those are the 10 best players in the conference, 3 coaches have some explaining to do. 25% of the programs have 60% of the most productive players in the conference.

On the other hand, Tulane will have a first team all league player, may have a second team all league player (Tarrant). Yet we will finish in the second division and possibly tie for 2nd to last. That's why this coach is so frustrating. We were blown out by only 1 team (@UTEP), but just way to few Ws.

Yes. Marshall fans could tell a similar same story, except they have performed much better; but still far below expectations.

I'd say that the Green Wave may have a pretty good upside potential for future years. Tyndall at USM has set a new standard for excellence for first year performance when changing programs and integrating players from diverse backgrounds.

(03-07-2013 11:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If those are the 10 best players in the conference, 3 coaches have some explaining to do. 25% of the programs have 60% of the most productive players in the conference.

There may be some other guys playing more minutes but those are the 10 most statistically dominate players, getting the most bang for the buck when they are on the court. Kemp and T. Thomas were among the leaders last year off the bench last year too not getting the minutes, and you see what happened when they finally got some minutes. Look at Stephans, would you not say relative to every minute he is on the court he's been destorying? Dude was getting like almost 7 boards, 3 blocks and shooting about 70% or whatever last I check in the back up minutes. The guy has been a force.

I certainly think Lebo's rotations have been a joke not only this year but last year having Kemp on the bench too depsite being productive. Richmond has barely played the whole year but has played great when he had a chance. Now after 2 season ending injuries he's finally getting 6th man minutes and is averaging 21ppg in 27 minutes the last 6 games yet this guy was our WTF 9th man the other 20+ games before.

What does the number mean? Scoring or also an aggregation of rebounding, assists, etc. also designated sharpshooter who come off the bench would be overrated on a per minute methodology

(03-07-2013 12:56 PM)DrBox Wrote:  What does the number mean? Scoring or also an aggregation of rebounding, assists, etc. also designated sharpshooter who come off the bench would be overrated on a per minute methodology

Player Effiency Rating, an advanced stat that incorporates every stat there is down to fouls and turnovers etc. It was developed for the NBA but is useful in college basketball as well. 15.0 is the adjusted college average and it's possession pace adjusted as well. 20.0 is all conference level. Last year Anthony Davis had the higest PER in college basketball at 35.2, this year the center at Gonzaga leads the nation. Jordan has the all time in the career record in the NBA. Essentially it's an apples to apples measure of productivity per minute. It's one thing if Josh Davis was just playing a lot of minutes and taking a lot of shots at low percentage but he's very effective.

(03-07-2013 12:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If those are the 10 best players in the conference, 3 coaches have some explaining to do. 25% of the programs have 60% of the most productive players in the conference.

There may be some other guys playing more minutes but those are the 10 most statistically dominate players, getting the most bang for the buck when they are on the court. Kemp and T. Thomas were among the leaders last year off the bench last year too not getting the minutes, and you see what happened when they finally got some minutes. Look at Stephans, would you not say relative to every minute he is on the court he's been destorying? Dude was getting like almost 7 boards, 3 blocks and shooting about 70% or whatever last I check in the back up minutes. The guy has been a force.

I certainly think Lebo's rotations have been a joke not only this year but last year having Kemp on the bench too depsite being productive. Richmond has barely played the whole year but has played great when he had a chance. Now after 2 season ending injuries he's finally getting 6th man minutes and is averaging 21ppg in 27 minutes the last 6 games yet this guy was our WTF 9th man the other 20+ games before.

Hence, my comment. 3 coaches have some explaining to do. Each have 2 of the top 10 most efficient players in the conference, yet have disappointing records.

However, that assumes that games are won comparing statistics only. I just think that it's impossible to put a statistic on heart, court intelligence, or knowing when "it counts." In a perfect world, those attributes would relate directly to stats, but not always. A perfectly assembled "moneyball" team won't always with the championship which throws a lot of the efficiency rating process out the window.

In the end, we'll see. I'd say that Joe Jackson who isn't on that list gets more POY votes than at least half those players. If the award was for MVP instead of POY, I'd make a strong case that he should be the winner.

Having said all of that, I do understand where you're coming from and the value of statistics and efficiency. I just don't think that efficiency answers all the questions regarding a player's value.

(03-07-2013 02:15 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Hence, my comment. 3 coaches have some explaining to do. Each have 2 of the top 10 most efficient players in the conference, yet have disappointing records.

However, that assumes that games are won comparing statistics only. I just think that it's impossible to put a statistic on heart, court intelligence, or knowing when "it counts." In a perfect world, those attributes would relate directly to stats, but not always. A perfectly assembled "moneyball" team won't always with the championship which throws a lot of the efficiency rating process out the window.

In the end, we'll see. I'd say that Joe Jackson who isn't on that list gets more POY votes than at least half those players. If the award was for MVP instead of POY, I'd make a strong case that he should be the winner.

Having said all of that, I do understand where you're coming from and the value of statistics and efficiency. I just don't think that efficiency answers all the questions regarding a player's value.

Or the teams could be losing because they don't have a bench, or don't have as many top 30 players in their entire rotation, or because a guy like Richmond is only playing 17 minutes a game on the season and not out there enough to really impact a season like a guy playing twice those minutes. Doesn't mean they aren't the most productive in CUSA when they are on the court.

16. Joe Jackson-MEM 20.8

JJ wasn't that far behind. Still highly productive and while playing high minutes too = high impact. He's certainly going to have a higher impact on a season than a guy like Richmond playing half the minutes even though he has played at a slightly higher level statisticaly when he's been on the court. Josh Davis has done both, played at a high level and a lot of minutes and is a top player clearly and deserves all conf.