(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Bottom line, if VCU isn't a splash candidate- no one is a splash candidate outside of Gonzaga.

Exactly.

I would throw ND (not coming) into the mix as a splash candidate, but otherwise, I agree with the last part of your statement. Outside of Gonzaga, no one is a splash candidate. Assuming the reports of XU, BU and CU are true, and outside of Gonzaga, no one is a splash candidate, either 1) there is no point in going past 10; or 2) best fit comes into play for #11 and #12 if Fox is buying a 12 team conference.

(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that.

Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

(03-06-2013 06:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that.

Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Seriously VCU just made it to the A-10 and their arrival wasn't exactly what i would call a splash last year... why are they a splash now are the C7 really that desperate or have you just not ever seen a press before?

And if wins in the colonial conference are what makes the grade why not take Drexel... they have won as many games down there as VCU similar crap schedule, just no final four but hell if lightning strikes once lightning can strike again. Speaking of that lightning why not George Mason... why are we even talking about X, Dayton, Slu and Creighton. Obviously the C7 just needs to import the top half of the colonial conference... i'm sure that is a sure plan for success.

(03-06-2013 06:55 PM)BillEsq Wrote:  Seriously VCU just made it to the A-10 and their arrival wasn't exactly what i would call a splash last year... why are they a splash now are the C7 really that desperate or have you just not ever seen a press before?

Apparently Butler hadn't

(03-06-2013 07:04 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:55 PM)BillEsq Wrote:  Seriously VCU just made it to the A-10 and their arrival wasn't exactly what i would call a splash last year... why are they a splash now are the C7 really that desperate or have you just not ever seen a press before?

Apparently Butler hadn't

Butler has huge problems as they have no PG... young team rebuilding from the final four days... remember last year it took a late run to get into the NIT. Since Clarke got injured he's been a turn over machine. that game was a disaster waiting to happen especially at VCU. Might have been the worst coached game i've ever seen. Butler will be lucky to be a 4 seed in the A-10 this year.

(03-06-2013 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that.

Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Playing in a MUCH weaker league. SLU and Dayton was playing superior competition all of that time. This is the first year they played the same level of competition.

(03-06-2013 02:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 02:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.

Dude, it's an internet rumor.

Did you hear the rumor that Fox wants GTown to play all it's games at 1am PST?

Somebody told me, that you had a boyfriend
That looked like the girlfriend that I had in February of last year.

(My wife had to explain to me that both were imaginary and it wasn't just a case of incredibly complex gender-bending and transsexuality)

(03-06-2013 07:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that.

Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Playing in a MUCH weaker league. SLU and Dayton was playing superior competition all of that time. This is the first year they played the same level of competition.

at least 1 of the last 2-3 years the CAA was AHEAD of the A10. And the difference between the 2 leagues is not anywhere near as big as you want to make it out to be.

and question for you- are you worried about Butler at all?

(03-06-2013 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  How can you say that when VCU made the final four 2 years ago, and has backed it up with 2 great years following that.

Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Playing in a MUCH weaker league. SLU and Dayton was playing superior competition all of that time. This is the first year they played the same level of competition.

at least 1 of the last 2-3 years the CAA was AHEAD of the A10. And the difference between the 2 leagues is not anywhere near as big as you want to make it out to be.

and question for you- are you worried about Butler at all?

So the CAA only go back 3 years?

No, because Butler has actually won in the tournament AND in the regular season. Butler beat Indiana and Marquette this year. Who did VCU beat?

(03-06-2013 07:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Why is it that a second round appearance in the NCAA tournament is a "great year" for VCU, but a down year fo ranyone else.

Also VCU currently beign ranked is irrlevanet based on your previous commetns, because it's all about how they do in the NCAA tournament. Your words.

In the last 20 years VCU has been to six NCAA tournaments. They've lost in the first game three times, one one game twice, and had the Final Four run. Over a 20 year period, they have a record of 405-223 (0.645), with 10 20 win seasons. Their current ranking is the only ranking they have held in the AP Poll.

Now to compare, a team like Creighton who is 410-227 in that same time frame (0.644), including 14 20 win seasons, with 8 NCAA appearances during the last 20 years, including 5 first round losses and 3 second round appearances. They had five seasons of being ranked with 3 top 15 apperances including one top ten.

The two resumes with CVU's Final Four apperance being the lone item that remotely separates this into their favor. One Final Four, versus more sustained success, double the attendance, and more visibility in their market.

For the record, Saint Louis is 359-265 (.575) during thsi stretch with 7 20 win seasons, and 5 NCAA apperances (two first round losses, three second round appearances), and three years ranked. Dayton is 353-244 (0.591) with 4 NCAA tournament appearances (3 first round, one second round) and 6 ranked teams including a top 15 teams.

The only thing, if at all, that puts VCU over those schools is the Final Four run., not even looking at institutional fit, attendence, or anythign else. So it literally all comes back to the Final Four run in a year they were somewhat lucky to make the tournament (two years before, they'd have been on the outside looking in).

The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Playing in a MUCH weaker league. SLU and Dayton was playing superior competition all of that time. This is the first year they played the same level of competition.

at least 1 of the last 2-3 years the CAA was AHEAD of the A10. And the difference between the 2 leagues is not anywhere near as big as you want to make it out to be.

and question for you- are you worried about Butler at all?

So the CAA only go back 3 years?

No, because Butler has actually won in the tournament AND in the regular season. Butler beat Indiana and Marquette this year. Who did VCU beat?

VCU beat the **** out of Butler for one. Butler last month has beaten 1 team with a winning record- St Bonnie's at 14-13. Butler will be LUCKY to win a game in the tourney this year. No point guard=no advance in NCAA tourney.

(03-06-2013 07:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:44 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The bottom line though is folks just want to totally ignore the final four run. Like it or not, it DID happen.

I'd say looking at your number- VCU blows away Dayton or SLU. about 50 more wins and 1 and 2 more NCAA appearances(with Dayton going to be 3 back after this year).

Also, why didn't you take the last 10 years? I'm sorry but 1995 doesn't have all that much relevance to the situation at all.

Playing in a MUCH weaker league. SLU and Dayton was playing superior competition all of that time. This is the first year they played the same level of competition.

at least 1 of the last 2-3 years the CAA was AHEAD of the A10. And the difference between the 2 leagues is not anywhere near as big as you want to make it out to be.

and question for you- are you worried about Butler at all?

So the CAA only go back 3 years?

No, because Butler has actually won in the tournament AND in the regular season. Butler beat Indiana and Marquette this year. Who did VCU beat?

VCU beat the **** out of Butler for one. Butler last month has beaten 1 team with a winning record- St Bonnie's at 14-13. Butler will be LUCKY to win a game in the tourney this year. No point guard=no advance in NCAA tourney.

SLU blew out VCU...but that's not important, is it?

You guys do realize there are two active threads going on at the same time arguing the merits of VCU.....just sayin.

(03-06-2013 08:11 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  You guys do realize there are two active threads going on at the same time arguing the merits of VCU.....just sayin.

I think one started out VCU v. Creighton or VCU v. Richmond... the SLU fan's moved in defense and well here we are... it will quite down when are game comes on... Richmond is playing right now the spiders will have to defend there own in a bit.

(03-06-2013 08:11 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  You guys do realize there are two active threads going on at the same time arguing the merits of VCU.....just sayin.

This is the fourth battle in the war of VCU. It ends up spilling over to every thread on the boards. It will never stop.

Summary

Stever and Redman want VCU. Everyone else, not so much. I've actually gotten tired of reading these. Lets talk about Gonzaga!

(03-06-2013 08:50 PM)ivet Wrote:  Summary

Stever and Redman want VCU. Everyone else, not so much. I've actually gotten tired of reading these. Lets talk about Gonzaga!

(03-06-2013 08:52 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 08:50 PM)ivet Wrote:  Summary

Stever and Redman want VCU. Everyone else, not so much. I've actually gotten tired of reading these. Lets talk about Gonzaga!

My bad, I meant JohnBragg, I get you guys confused sometimes.

(03-06-2013 08:50 PM)ivet Wrote:  Summary

Stever and Redman want VCU. Everyone else, not so much. I've actually gotten tired of reading these. Lets talk about Gonzaga!

I knew I would eventually bring Redman over!!!!!!!