(05-26-2015 10:14 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 11:45 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 10:21 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  These board fail to recognize the potential NIU has for both the AAC and the Big 12. NIU is building facilities and has a plan. NIU brings the Chicago market which dwarfs the other markets under consideration. Stay tuned. For the Big 12, NIU and Cincinnati make the most sense.

So start a NIU to the big-12 thread, although I believe NIU needs to get out of the MAC for serious consideration. BTW, it's not the posters on these boards who will make any difference on expansion, but rather the school presidents and their opinions. While it is true that the Chicago market dwarves the Cincy market (#36), not so much for the combined Tampa/Orlando market.
Just for the record Chicago is the 3rd largest TV market, Tampa is the 13th and Orlando is the 18th, however Tampa and Orlando combined are the 4th largest TV. The Chicago TV market hardly "dwarves" the Tampa/Orlando market, the student populations of both UCF and USF (which are still growing) do however dwarve the student population of NIU. Another valid question is how much of the respective markets does each school within that market deliver, I'd put my money on UCF as they don't have any pro NFL, NHL, or MLB teams within their market to compete with. The recruiting in Florida is traditionally far better than Illinois. Therefore I personally believe the UCF/USF combination makes the most sense for b-12 expansion. As with UCF/USF the only thing NIU can do is continue to invest in their facilities, win and cultivate their brand, if they continue to do that they should be on the b-12's radar if and when it decides to expand.

Why do you just combine those 2? I get what your going for with the whole package thing but there aren't package deals in realignment you're just trying to fit you're agenda to make yourself look better on paper. A counterpoint to your argument is why take both when you can only take 1 and I'm sure get some market reach in to the other market as well? I know USF would never carry the Orlando market but they will still penetrate it and vice versa. You have to think of yourself as a separate entity. Otherwise Cincinnati is an hour and a half from Dayton, Columbus, Louisville, Indianapolis, and Lexington. Do we get to claim all those markets under your rules?

Those are the markets according to Nielsons ratings, combining them creates the 4th largest market in the nation, that's why I combine those two. You're free to pitch any package deal you want but I didn't include any markets other than Tampa where USF is located, and Orlando, where UCF is located. You are sadly mistaken if you thing I'm the person who came up with the idea to package them together (see the history of this thread) to make myself look better on paper. These aren't my rules, if a school is located within a city count that market. Cincyis located in Cincy not Dayton, Columbus or Louisville et al... As I've said ad nauseum, my, yours or any other opinion other than the school presidents of the b-12 means jack squat.

(05-26-2015 11:39 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:14 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 11:45 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 10:21 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  These board fail to recognize the potential NIU has for both the AAC and the Big 12. NIU is building facilities and has a plan. NIU brings the Chicago market which dwarfs the other markets under consideration. Stay tuned. For the Big 12, NIU and Cincinnati make the most sense.

So start a NIU to the big-12 thread, although I believe NIU needs to get out of the MAC for serious consideration. BTW, it's not the posters on these boards who will make any difference on expansion, but rather the school presidents and their opinions. While it is true that the Chicago market dwarves the Cincy market (#36), not so much for the combined Tampa/Orlando market.
Just for the record Chicago is the 3rd largest TV market, Tampa is the 13th and Orlando is the 18th, however Tampa and Orlando combined are the 4th largest TV. The Chicago TV market hardly "dwarves" the Tampa/Orlando market, the student populations of both UCF and USF (which are still growing) do however dwarve the student population of NIU. Another valid question is how much of the respective markets does each school within that market deliver, I'd put my money on UCF as they don't have any pro NFL, NHL, or MLB teams within their market to compete with. The recruiting in Florida is traditionally far better than Illinois. Therefore I personally believe the UCF/USF combination makes the most sense for b-12 expansion. As with UCF/USF the only thing NIU can do is continue to invest in their facilities, win and cultivate their brand, if they continue to do that they should be on the b-12's radar if and when it decides to expand.

Why do you just combine those 2? I get what your going for with the whole package thing but there aren't package deals in realignment you're just trying to fit you're agenda to make yourself look better on paper. A counterpoint to your argument is why take both when you can only take 1 and I'm sure get some market reach in to the other market as well? I know USF would never carry the Orlando market but they will still penetrate it and vice versa. You have to think of yourself as a separate entity. Otherwise Cincinnati is an hour and a half from Dayton, Columbus, Louisville, Indianapolis, and Lexington. Do we get to claim all those markets under your rules?

Those are the markets according to Nielsons ratings, combining them creates the 4th largest market in the nation, that's why I combine those two. You're free to pitch any package deal you want but I didn't include any markets other than Tampa where USF is located, and Orlando, where UCF is located. You are sadly mistaken if you thing I'm the person who came up with the idea to package them together (see the history of this thread) to make myself look better on paper. These aren't my rules, if a school is located within a city count that market. Cincyis located in Cincy not Dayton, Columbus or Louisville et al... As I've said ad nauseum, my, yours or any other opinion other than the school presidents of the b-12 means jack squat.

We were a package deal with Louisville to to the Big 12 also...

(05-26-2015 09:34 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  How would OU and Texas view NIU? You need something to appeal to those two schools. I'm assuming that the city of Chicago would be the "draw" in this situation, right?

I would think that any Big XII movement involves Cincy in order to placate WVU.

You'd have to argue that NIU in the Big 12 would put the Big 12 in Chicago. Right now, NIU doesn't "get" Chicago because it's mostly a pro sports town and because NIU is in the MAC. Being in the Big 12 would help obviously, in capturing the interest of Chicago football fans, but I wonder if it would be as much as some hope. One can dream, but I don't see it. And we still have the minor issue of a small stadium, with only a plan but not the money yet, AFAIK, to upgrade. And how does one justify an expansion when we don't fill the seats we have? An ongoing catch-22. There are a fair number of NIU fans in Chicago I think, since we bring as good or better numbers of fans to our occasional games against Northwestern as we do to DeKalb.

(05-27-2015 09:09 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 11:39 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:14 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 11:45 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 10:21 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  These board fail to recognize the potential NIU has for both the AAC and the Big 12. NIU is building facilities and has a plan. NIU brings the Chicago market which dwarfs the other markets under consideration. Stay tuned. For the Big 12, NIU and Cincinnati make the most sense.

So start a NIU to the big-12 thread, although I believe NIU needs to get out of the MAC for serious consideration. BTW, it's not the posters on these boards who will make any difference on expansion, but rather the school presidents and their opinions. While it is true that the Chicago market dwarves the Cincy market (#36), not so much for the combined Tampa/Orlando market.
Just for the record Chicago is the 3rd largest TV market, Tampa is the 13th and Orlando is the 18th, however Tampa and Orlando combined are the 4th largest TV. The Chicago TV market hardly "dwarves" the Tampa/Orlando market, the student populations of both UCF and USF (which are still growing) do however dwarve the student population of NIU. Another valid question is how much of the respective markets does each school within that market deliver, I'd put my money on UCF as they don't have any pro NFL, NHL, or MLB teams within their market to compete with. The recruiting in Florida is traditionally far better than Illinois. Therefore I personally believe the UCF/USF combination makes the most sense for b-12 expansion. As with UCF/USF the only thing NIU can do is continue to invest in their facilities, win and cultivate their brand, if they continue to do that they should be on the b-12's radar if and when it decides to expand.

Why do you just combine those 2? I get what your going for with the whole package thing but there aren't package deals in realignment you're just trying to fit you're agenda to make yourself look better on paper. A counterpoint to your argument is why take both when you can only take 1 and I'm sure get some market reach in to the other market as well? I know USF would never carry the Orlando market but they will still penetrate it and vice versa. You have to think of yourself as a separate entity. Otherwise Cincinnati is an hour and a half from Dayton, Columbus, Louisville, Indianapolis, and Lexington. Do we get to claim all those markets under your rules?

Those are the markets according to Nielsons ratings, combining them creates the 4th largest market in the nation, that's why I combine those two. You're free to pitch any package deal you want but I didn't include any markets other than Tampa where USF is located, and Orlando, where UCF is located. You are sadly mistaken if you thing I'm the person who came up with the idea to package them together (see the history of this thread) to make myself look better on paper. These aren't my rules, if a school is located within a city count that market. Cincyis located in Cincy not Dayton, Columbus or Louisville et al... As I've said ad nauseum, my, yours or any other opinion other than the school presidents of the b-12 means jack squat.

We were a package deal with Louisville to to the Big 12 also...

Lol, I don't think Louisville is interested. They already got theirs!