(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias causes me to favor the New York guy over the Michigan guy? Do I have that correct?

Are you Elton?

(03-14-2013 12:26 AM)Eagle66 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:55 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 01:37 PM)Eagle66 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:43 AM)JSF Wrote:  So anyway, I think McCrea is next year's favorite. Hopefully Buffalo can contend.

Id put even money on McCrea and Pierson. Treadwell would be up there too.

Both are good but someone that statisically should be considered is Shayne Whittington.
Head to head with Javon, Whittington outscored him, outrebounded him and had twice as many assists while fouling him out. McCrae had 22, 10 and 2.
Pearson is very good too. But in two games against WMU Nate Hutchinson held him to 10 below and then 4 below his average. So with two bites at the apple RP was held 7 below his average and had two losses to show for it.
All players have poor outings, but if your serious and knowledgeable about the game Shayne will be in the mix and if he continues to on the trajectory he has been on it will be well deserved. Not news you'd get out of Ohio outlets.

You mention Pierson behind held to 14 against WMU in the second game... Whittington was held to 14 less than That in that game. Whittington had 4 against Akron, McCrea 26. You make it sound like Whittington dominated McCrea, he scored 1 more point.

Pierson: 16.5 PTS, 8 REB, 2 APG
McCrea: 18, 8, 2
Whittington: 13, 9, 1

IF he keeps improving and averages what mcCrea did this year he would be considered sure. But to say he's a favorite would be very premature.

Shayne certainly played poorly in that game. No question. I am simply making the point that to say POY for next year is Javon or Ryan as a matter of fact is premature.

Shayne, in a head to head match up with Javon, fouled Javon out of the game and did score 1 more point and had several more rebounds than Javon. My point is and was not that Javon is less, simply Shayne that is more than being given credit for.

Ryan was my pre-season POY in the West. I didnt see any challenge.
But in two losess to WMU he was held 10 ppg below his average and 4 points below. Simply pointing out he as no one else is a shoe in. My second point was that in both instances Nate Hutchinson was the reason. I would never elevate Nate above Honorable mention. But as the one typically assigned to the opp numbers best perimeter player he pretty much shut down one of the two presumed POY for '13;'14. Not once, but twice and both losses for the Rockets.

Too much emphasis is put on scoring statistics, IMO. That's why I feel Abreu's absence defensively will hurt Akron, much more than his scoring. Running the O aside.

(03-14-2013 06:29 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias causes me to favor the New York guy over the Michigan guy? Do I have that correct?

Don't argue with the longstanding narratives!

Apparently he admits to his bias. Got to love an honest man.

(03-14-2013 06:29 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias causes me to favor the New York guy over the Michigan guy? Do I have that correct?

Don't argue with the longstanding narratives!

Does not living in Ohio make me more or less biased toward the state?

(03-14-2013 05:41 PM)JSF Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 06:29 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias causes me to favor the New York guy over the Michigan guy? Do I have that correct?

Don't argue with the longstanding narratives!

Does not living in Ohio make me more or less biased toward the state?

Since I was not thinking of you specifically, just media in general and you admitted to a bias, I will let you answer the question. Does your geopgraphical location matter?

What did I admit to, again?

(03-14-2013 06:11 PM)JSF Wrote:  What did I admit to, again?

The way I read it, you admitted you are an Akron fan. My reading comprehension is a bit off today, though.

(03-14-2013 06:32 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 04:24 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:26 AM)Eagle66 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:55 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 01:37 PM)Eagle66 Wrote:  Id put even money on McCrea and Pierson. Treadwell would be up there too.

Both are good but someone that statisically should be considered is Shayne Whittington.
Head to head with Javon, Whittington outscored him, outrebounded him and had twice as many assists while fouling him out. McCrae had 22, 10 and 2.
Pearson is very good too. But in two games against WMU Nate Hutchinson held him to 10 below and then 4 below his average. So with two bites at the apple RP was held 7 below his average and had two losses to show for it.
All players have poor outings, but if your serious and knowledgeable about the game Shayne will be in the mix and if he continues to on the trajectory he has been on it will be well deserved. Not news you'd get out of Ohio outlets.

You mention Pierson behind held to 14 against WMU in the second game... Whittington was held to 14 less than That in that game. Whittington had 4 against Akron, McCrea 26. You make it sound like Whittington dominated McCrea, he scored 1 more point.

Pierson: 16.5 PTS, 8 REB, 2 APG
McCrea: 18, 8, 2
Whittington: 13, 9, 1

IF he keeps improving and averages what mcCrea did this year he would be considered sure. But to say he's a favorite would be very premature.

Shayne certainly played poorly in that game. No question. I am simply making the point that to say POY for next year is Javon or Ryan as a matter of fact is premature.

Shayne, in a head to head match up with Javon, fouled Javon out of the game and did score 1 more point and had several more rebounds than Javon. My point is and was not that Javon is less, simply Shayne that is more than being given credit for.

Ryan was my pre-season POY in the West. I didnt see any challenge.
But in two losess to WMU he was held 10 ppg below his average and 4 points below. Simply pointing out he as no one else is a shoe in. My second point was that in both instances Nate Hutchinson was the reason. I would never elevate Nate above Honorable mention. But as the one typically assigned to the opp numbers best perimeter player he pretty much shut down one of the two presumed POY for '13;'14. Not once, but twice and both losses for the Rockets.

Too much emphasis is put on scoring statistics, IMO. That's why I feel Abreu's absence defensively will hurt Akron, much more than his scoring. Running the O aside.

I agree. Let's not consider him.

No, I think Javon deserves a shot at it despite that.

(03-14-2013 06:34 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 06:32 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 04:24 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:26 AM)Eagle66 Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:55 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  Both are good but someone that statisically should be considered is Shayne Whittington.
Head to head with Javon, Whittington outscored him, outrebounded him and had twice as many assists while fouling him out. McCrae had 22, 10 and 2.
Pearson is very good too. But in two games against WMU Nate Hutchinson held him to 10 below and then 4 below his average. So with two bites at the apple RP was held 7 below his average and had two losses to show for it.
All players have poor outings, but if your serious and knowledgeable about the game Shayne will be in the mix and if he continues to on the trajectory he has been on it will be well deserved. Not news you'd get out of Ohio outlets.

You mention Pierson behind held to 14 against WMU in the second game... Whittington was held to 14 less than That in that game. Whittington had 4 against Akron, McCrea 26. You make it sound like Whittington dominated McCrea, he scored 1 more point.

Pierson: 16.5 PTS, 8 REB, 2 APG
McCrea: 18, 8, 2
Whittington: 13, 9, 1

IF he keeps improving and averages what mcCrea did this year he would be considered sure. But to say he's a favorite would be very premature.

Shayne certainly played poorly in that game. No question. I am simply making the point that to say POY for next year is Javon or Ryan as a matter of fact is premature.

Shayne, in a head to head match up with Javon, fouled Javon out of the game and did score 1 more point and had several more rebounds than Javon. My point is and was not that Javon is less, simply Shayne that is more than being given credit for.

Ryan was my pre-season POY in the West. I didnt see any challenge.
But in two losess to WMU he was held 10 ppg below his average and 4 points below. Simply pointing out he as no one else is a shoe in. My second point was that in both instances Nate Hutchinson was the reason. I would never elevate Nate above Honorable mention. But as the one typically assigned to the opp numbers best perimeter player he pretty much shut down one of the two presumed POY for '13;'14. Not once, but twice and both losses for the Rockets.

Too much emphasis is put on scoring statistics, IMO. That's why I feel Abreu's absence defensively will hurt Akron, much more than his scoring. Running the O aside.

I agree. Let's not consider him.

No, I think Javon deserves a shot at it despite that.

I was just being a jerk. You caught me before I trashed it.

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias

^ This

(03-14-2013 06:35 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 06:34 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 06:32 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 04:24 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:26 AM)Eagle66 Wrote:  You mention Pierson behind held to 14 against WMU in the second game... Whittington was held to 14 less than That in that game. Whittington had 4 against Akron, McCrea 26. You make it sound like Whittington dominated McCrea, he scored 1 more point.

Pierson: 16.5 PTS, 8 REB, 2 APG
McCrea: 18, 8, 2
Whittington: 13, 9, 1

IF he keeps improving and averages what mcCrea did this year he would be considered sure. But to say he's a favorite would be very premature.

Shayne certainly played poorly in that game. No question. I am simply making the point that to say POY for next year is Javon or Ryan as a matter of fact is premature.

Shayne, in a head to head match up with Javon, fouled Javon out of the game and did score 1 more point and had several more rebounds than Javon. My point is and was not that Javon is less, simply Shayne that is more than being given credit for.

Ryan was my pre-season POY in the West. I didnt see any challenge.
But in two losess to WMU he was held 10 ppg below his average and 4 points below. Simply pointing out he as no one else is a shoe in. My second point was that in both instances Nate Hutchinson was the reason. I would never elevate Nate above Honorable mention. But as the one typically assigned to the opp numbers best perimeter player he pretty much shut down one of the two presumed POY for '13;'14. Not once, but twice and both losses for the Rockets.

Too much emphasis is put on scoring statistics, IMO. That's why I feel Abreu's absence defensively will hurt Akron, much more than his scoring. Running the O aside.

I agree. Let's not consider him.

No, I think Javon deserves a shot at it despite that.

I was just being a jerk. You caught me before I trashed it.

Nah. Your good.

I luvs Buffalo. Had a factory in N. Tonawanda but moved it to Cleveland area.

Great history in that area. Took the wife, No, up there taking in the locks, Fort Niagra, did the falls including the butterfly garden, then finished up in the Finger Lakes area. Loved it.

(03-14-2013 06:35 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias

^ This

Finish the post.

(03-14-2013 06:42 PM)JSF Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 06:35 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:00 AM)JSF Wrote:  My Ohio bias

^ This

Finish the post.

Why? You asked what did you admit to.
I reminded you.

Previously, regarding geography (Ohio/NY) I asked what that had to do with your admitted bias?
You never answered.

Now you did also say that your admission to bias was not your first time in doing so. You used the word "again".

So "again" I want to express my appreciation for your honesty. Something that Elton hasnt owned up to. +1 for you!

I can't tell if your sarcasm detector is broken or if your trolling prowess is strong.

(03-14-2013 07:16 PM)JSF Wrote:  I can't tell if your sarcasm detector is broken or if your trolling prowess is strong.

Just a different type of wit.

(03-14-2013 09:04 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:16 PM)JSF Wrote:  I can't tell if your sarcasm detector is broken or if your trolling prowess is strong.

Just a different type of wit.

Fair enough.

(03-14-2013 09:41 PM)JSF Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 09:04 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:16 PM)JSF Wrote:  I can't tell if your sarcasm detector is broken or if your trolling prowess is strong.

Just a different type of wit.

Fair enough.

Cool too!