The men's team could travel like that because their travel budget was over 10K more than the women's travel budget once Mullins became AD. (I know - Title IX - but an AD can fix the numbers any way they want) When Mullins was coach he had a rich Dr. and a pizza pizza guy donate lots of money.
My guess is Sander has uncovered violations dating back over 15 years and it is easier to cut the program vs having the NCAA pay a visit. Does anyone know about the filing cabinet???

(03-04-2013 01:12 PM)bucfan99 Wrote:  Does anyone know about the filing cabinet???

I knew about the candlestick, and I knew a butler was involved, but you got me stumped with the filing cabinet.

I'll say it again. Chop Away!! Chop Away!!

(03-03-2013 11:28 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  I've never been to an ETSU tennis match in 23 years and I probably won't.

Respectfully, the loss is yours. The intensity of the conference championships that we've been able to hold here in the last 10-15 years has been great, both for the SoCon and ASun. The last 2 times they were here (and I posted about this), the crowds were excellent, and the drama was high and intense - just as much as for an important hoops game, albeit on a smaller scale. The excitement and joy of a team qualifying for the NCAAs is just as pronounced for tennis as it is for basketball.

Why can't we just have all the sports, and root for all the ETSU teams, without all the hate?

(03-04-2013 02:23 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:28 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  I've never been to an ETSU tennis match in 23 years and I probably won't.

The excitement and joy of a team qualifying for the NCAAs is just as pronounced for tennis as it is for basketball.

Having worked several of those, I would agree with this statement. They are a lot of fun to watch and the excitement is pretty fun to watch and experience.

It's been a while since I have had time to see the matches, but it was standing room only and great energy at the Women's 2009 (I think) conference championship here in Johnson City. Great tennis and atmosphere.

The only tennis match I've ever seen in person was a conference USA championship.


It was boring as hell.

It's always good when the Bucs win. But, basketball was supposed to have been elevated after football. Look at it now, both men and women. Sander must be looking at that $12 million annual athletic budget and asking himself many questions. Besides, other than tennis, which minor sports are actually winning? How has the shift of highly subsidized expenditures from the major sports to the minor sports work out? I say, it has been a dismal, abject failure IF athletics is viewed as an investment in the front porch of the university and is measured in terns of return on that investment. Can anyone honestly say and defend with numbers that ETSU is getting a good return on its $12 million annual investment in athletics?

(03-04-2013 04:18 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Why can't we just have all the sports, and root for all the ETSU teams, without all the hate?

Paul Stanton and Dave Mullins started it. I hope Brian Noland ends it.

(03-04-2013 08:42 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  there are some rather decent collegiate tennis programs within driving distance of Johnson City.

copied from,,,,,,,,,,,,, http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/tennis-men/d1
1, i had no idea the sec was so strong in tennis
2, i hilited the nation's top teams that be relatively close to jc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Rankings
Last updated - February 26, 2013
RANK SCHOOL AVERAGE PREVIOUS
1 Virginia 88.43 1
2 Southern California 80.71 2
3 UCLA 80.44 3
4 Duke 68.44 5
5 Oklahoma 67.72 9
6 Kentucky 65.78 6
7 Ohio State 62.27 4
8 Tennessee 60.07 13
9 Georgia 59.53 8
10 Mississippi State 56.36 11
11 Texas A&M 54.32 14
12 Pepperdine 53.88 7
13 Mississippi 52.89 10
14 Washington 41.71 19
15 Texas 41.55 15
16 California 39.56 12
17 Illinois 38.96 17
18 Clemson 38.02 NR
19 Tulsa 37.18 17
20 Northwestern 36.92 NR
21 Michigan 33.65 23
22 Wake Forest 32.15 NR
23 Harvard 32 NR
24 Cornell 30.29 NR
25 Vanderbilt 28.66 NR
Dropped out: No. 16 Florida, No. 20 Baylor, No. 21 Auburn, No. 22 North Carolina, No. 24 LSU, No. 25 Notre Dame.

I agree w/ '88 - the hatred for tennis, or soccer, or any sport that ETSU currently fields is odd. It's not even understandable. Do I need to remind anyone that ETSU played tennis when ETSU had a football team?

Tennis never took anything away from football.

However, it emphasizes particular issues I never liked about some of the pro-football crowd: They hated everything that wasn't football. I've never understood that, but I'm sure someone will come on here and try to tell me why I should hate the "minor" sports. They didn't kill football. And by the way, the football that will "come back" will be nothing like it's former self. At least I hope so.

(03-04-2013 09:11 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I agree w/ '88 - the hatred for tennis, or soccer, or any sport that ETSU currently fields is odd. It's not even understandable. Do I need to remind anyone that ETSU played tennis when ETSU had a football team?

Tennis never took anything away from football.

However, it emphasizes particular issues I never liked about some of the pro-football crowd: They hated everything that wasn't football. I've never understood that, but I'm sure someone will come on here and try to tell me why I should hate the "minor" sports. They didn't kill football. And by the way, the football that will "come back" will be nothing like it's former self. At least I hope so.

Inserts text about how tennis or soccer is somehow related to communism and Hitler.

I enjoy Soccer a lot.. tennis not as much. It doesn't matter though because ETSU needs ALL of the minor sports none-the-less to remain relevant in the world of NCAA athletics.

I strongly disagreed with the athletic model that Stanton/Mullins set forth but disliking their vision should not become reason enough to chastise the minor sports. I hope that each sport excels at ETSU. Even if I only watch Basketball, Football, Baseball, and soccer doesn't mean that the others don't serve their purpose. [/size]

filing cabinet - the past players over the years told me about it. it held players papers and tests. It was/is a great resource for players to learn how to write a paper, get a paper or to study for a test. That probably borders on a rules violation.

All minor sports are important but not to the point they negatively impact other sports.

I was at that women's conference final. One of the best championships I have ever seen. Clinched by a local American girl. It was so loud the softball and soccer teams showed up in their uniforms saying they heard the screams and had to come see what was going on. And yes, it was standing room only. They even had Coach Morrow's security crew working the gates.

(03-04-2013 09:11 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I agree w/ '88 - the hatred for tennis, or soccer, or any sport that ETSU currently fields is odd. It's not even understandable. Do I need to remind anyone that ETSU played tennis when ETSU had a football team?

Tennis never took anything away from football.

However, it emphasizes particular issues I never liked about some of the pro-football crowd: They hated everything that wasn't football. I've never understood that, but I'm sure someone will come on here and try to tell me why I should hate the "minor" sports. They didn't kill football. And by the way, the football that will "come back" will be nothing like it's former self. At least I hope so.

Go,

I think you know the culture of that campus over the last 20-30 years has been one of division. Presidents and university employees alike have cultivated that division, because it ultimately makes it easier for someone like a Stanton, Mullins or that incompetent wildebeast Barbie who's squatting on their last job to not have to work hard. I can honestly say while I was there I did not hate tennis or golf. I thought Yaser and Brooks were both really fun guys to be around, and intensely competitive. Same with Coach Warren though I never really understood him as a person. Atleast for me, if it's a sport I dislike, it's due to something I've seen. Women's soccer taking away funds from football, men's soccer being started instead of football, certain coaches in sports involved bats and nets (one of which who isn't there anymore) that were just rude if they didn't get what they wanted. Even if you love ETSU like no other, even more than Superfan does it is very difficult to support a jerk, even if he/she is your jerk. Then you have people like Dave and Barbie who continue to tell you how great things are and this is the way to do it, and attempt to be condescending in tone to people who disagree with them. It becomes uninspiring, puts you on the defensive and sends you into your corner.
I'll be honest, until Barbie Breedlove is TERMINATED, that's something that will still linger in that dome like a really bad fart in a crowded elevator. I hope Dr. Sander sends the one of the least successful coaches/administrators in the history of the NCAA packing there will still be a divisive nature there.
I hope we can get to where everyone can support all the programs, not just in athletics but everything. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it can be everything but that's a culture that has to be cultivated from the top down. It hasn't been that way in a long time.
Did I mention that Barbie should've already been shown the door?

Barbie was ok until Mullins paid her off with a huge pay increase to do anything he wanted her to do. Mullins split Wayne Millers salary up before he was buried. Wayne Miller should be in the A-Sun Hall of Fame for bringing General Shale as the basketball tournament sponsor. He was loved by all true ETSU fans!!

Don't get me started on Barbie. I had one of the most uncomfortable experiences as an employee there working with Barbie when it came to naming All-Conference selections.

Lover, your inside scoop confirms what outsiders like me have suspected all along, sorta like reading between the lines of all the bull s--- that has been coming out of that athletic department these past ten years."To not have to work hard" caught my eye. That's how I've seen it since football was dropped. Gravy train time, no accountability, easy street. And, they're one of the luckiest crowds in college sports because no one called them out. The failed promise to elevate basketball went unchallenged. The failure to raise any visible amount of an announced $81 million capital campaign for athletics went unchallenged, which supposedly included a new basketball arena. The raising of student fees absent any vote went unchallenged, and the 2007 debacle/farce to bring back football was rigged so as to blame it on the students. They have been left to do their pretentious dance unchallenged. I can't see Mullins as the only one to go going forward if this department is going to be truly reformed so football can be brought back the right way and basketball fixed.

And, Go continues to push the hate of the minor sports line as if they did not significantly benefit from the dropping of football and the failure to elevate basketball. It is a little hard to ignore the fact that men's soccer essentially replaced football as a fall sport. In spite of the shift in emphasis from major sports to minor sports, I haven't seen anyone on here pulling against the minor sports. They're just a symbol of the Stanton-Mullins athletic model, of which, not many on here have much love for. What about the hate of football and possibly basketball coming out of that department these past ten years? Is that not an issue that needs addressing?

(03-04-2013 09:05 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 08:42 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  there are some rather decent collegiate tennis programs within driving distance of Johnson City.

copied from,,,,,,,,,,,,, http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/tennis-men/d1
1, i had no idea the sec was so strong in tennis
2, i hilited the nation's top teams that be relatively close to jc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Rankings
Last updated - February 26, 2013
RANK SCHOOL AVERAGE PREVIOUS
1 Virginia 88.43 1
2 Southern California 80.71 2
3 UCLA 80.44 3
4 Duke 68.44 5
5 Oklahoma 67.72 9
6 Kentucky 65.78 6
7 Ohio State 62.27 4
8 Tennessee 60.07 13
9 Georgia 59.53 8
10 Mississippi State 56.36 11
11 Texas A&M 54.32 14
12 Pepperdine 53.88 7
13 Mississippi 52.89 10
14 Washington 41.71 19
15 Texas 41.55 15
16 California 39.56 12
17 Illinois 38.96 17
18 Clemson 38.02 NR
19 Tulsa 37.18 17
20 Northwestern 36.92 NR
21 Michigan 33.65 23
22 Wake Forest 32.15 NR
23 Harvard 32 NR
24 Cornell 30.29 NR
25 Vanderbilt 28.66 NR
Dropped out: No. 16 Florida, No. 20 Baylor, No. 21 Auburn, No. 22 North Carolina, No. 24 LSU, No. 25 Notre Dame.

ETSU has played several of these closer schools this and last year, and traditionally. We played at UVa in the Fall (and the previous Fall). Also Wake Forest. Played at Ohio State (not sure why you didn't highlight them, as they are closer than both Mississippi schools) a couple weeks or so ago. They have been our nemesis lately in the NCAAs. Lost a very tough match at Georgia last week, losing 5-2 (and played them last year, too). We often play UT but don't think they're on the schedule this year.
UGa has won numerous national championships. UT was runner-up a couple of years ago, and often gets to the quarterfinals or so in the NCAAs.

Year in and year out, the SEC and the ACC, top to bottom, have normally been the strongest conferences nationally. Of course there are always USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Pepperdine in there from CA. And normally Michigan and Notre Dame from the Midwest, along with the usual Texas suspects. Not rare to see an Ivy League team or two, but not usually higher than 15th or so.

And probably most of you remember this, but for any newbies, we have defeated both Alabama and Notre Dame in first-round NCAA matches within the last 5 years. (And refresh my memory, what other ETSU teams have done that?) Both those years we bowed to Ohio St. in second-round matches, but in the first one of those, we were dead even with them when the rain came, forcing the match indoors, vastly increasing the home-court advantage and swinging the momentum.

And this has been discussed in detail in previous threads, but ETSU tennis teams historically have been *extremely* successful in the classroom, too, with beaucoup Academic All-Americans, including entire teams. Very bright kids.