(03-02-2013 09:17 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  ACC 2016?
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Boston College
UConn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Notre Dame (olympic sports)

That's an amazing basketball conference. Football would be solid, though underrated at first. I wonder if the Florida schools, UCF and USF, get pulled into this. Memphis is obviously the last school in, and the biggest stretch. Navy might hold more appeal for some, but those olympic sports always drag them down. This is Wake Forest's nightmare scenario, also obviously. The old Big East will have taken over the ACC. Not THAT far-fetched.

You mean we've gone through all this just to add Memphis to the old Big East?

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Except nothing has been proven aside from assumptions that MOST people on this board like to take and run with them as 100% fact. Your scenario may play out exactly as you believe; however, you can just as likely be wrong (and probably are more likely that you are wrong TBH). There are a lot of posters on this board that take their own preconceived notions as filters when reading expansion rumors, blogs, etc. They will only latch on to stories that reinforce their assumptions and trivialize those stories that are opposite their assumptions. This is why the realignment board is such a joke. There are way too many fools on this forum that WANT certain things to happen - so much so that they twist themselves in knots trying to find information on the net that justifies their preconceived ideas. It's quite laughable and pathetic.

Just a few weeks ago there were a bunch of lemmings on here spouting off about the greatness of the CIC and how research is where the real money is at while athletics are small potatoes. Well, many of you are right about the fact that athletics are nothing but a pittance when you evaluate the entire university budgets. Case in point: Pitt's operating budget for 2013 is $1.94 billion dollars (http://www.utimes.pitt.edu/?p=22150). When you put it into context, do you seriously believe that universities are so hung up about trying to squeeze an extra bit of cash for athletics by joining another conference when the budgets are well in excess of a billion dollars (or more???)? Of course not. The truth is that the associations with the other ACC schools are probably worth more to these schools than going off to make new friends in other conferences.

Oh, the CIC does nowhere close to the things that many on these boards ascribe to it. Do some research and educate yourselves before spouting off about things you have no clue about.

It's always been about the academics, people. Most of you will never learn...

(03-02-2013 11:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Except nothing has been proven aside from assumptions that MOST people on this board like to take and run with them as 100% fact. Your scenario may play out exactly as you believe; however, you can just as likely be wrong (and probably are more likely that you are wrong TBH). There are a lot of posters on this board that take their own preconceived notions as filters when reading expansion rumors, blogs, etc. They will only latch on to stories that reinforce their assumptions and trivialize those stories that are opposite their assumptions. This is why the realignment board is such a joke. There are way too many fools on this forum that WANT certain things to happen - so much so that they twist themselves in knots trying to find information on the net that justifies their preconceived ideas. It's quite laughable and pathetic.

Just a few weeks ago there were a bunch of lemmings on here spouting off about the greatness of the CIC and how research is where the real money is at while athletics are small potatoes. Well, many of you are right about the fact that athletics are nothing but a pittance when you evaluate the entire university budgets. Case in point: Pitt's operating budget for 2013 is $1.94 billion dollars (http://www.utimes.pitt.edu/?p=22150). When you put it into context, do you seriously believe that universities are so hung up about trying to squeeze an extra bit of cash for athletics by joining another conference when the budgets are well in excess of a billion dollars (or more???)? Of course not. The truth is that the associations with the other ACC schools are probably worth more to these schools than going off to make new friends in other conferences.

Oh, the CIC does nowhere close to the things that many on these boards ascribe to it. Do some research and educate yourselves before spouting off about things you have no clue about.

It's always been about the academics, people. Most of you will never learn...

What's the secret information you couldn't reveal a month ago. Can you come out with it now?

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

It was Maryland........................

(03-02-2013 09:17 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  ACC 2016?
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Boston College
UConn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Notre Dame (olympic sports)

That's an amazing basketball conference. Football would be solid, though underrated at first. I wonder if the Florida schools, UCF and USF, get pulled into this. Memphis is obviously the last school in, and the biggest stretch. Navy might hold more appeal for some, but those olympic sports always drag them down. This is Wake Forest's nightmare scenario, also obviously. The old Big East will have taken over the ACC. Not THAT far-fetched.

Good analysis....however if that happens I would look for Notre Dame to pull out and go to the BIG or to the Big12 as an associate member

(03-02-2013 11:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Losing one member in 42 years = raided? The Big 12 lost 4 members in 13 months, what would you call that?

Yes, when one conference comes in and takes one of your teams no matter what crazy number you put on an exit fee thats being raided.

If someone comes up to you at lunch and eats your pudding cup in front of you and you don't have the power to stop them what makes you think you can stop them from taking your sandwich tomorrow?

(03-02-2013 10:59 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Virginia to B1G. Missouri, the surprise, to B1G. Virginia Tech to SEC. ACC invites UConn and Cincy.
B1G then invites Duke and UNC. Big12 invites FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Ga Tech. ACC invites Temple and Memphis. SEC invites WVU and NCSU. Big12 invites Boise State.

Big12 can only pull from a weakened ACC. Virginia is holding the floodgates shut presently.

Big12 can jump the PAC12 in stature with this move.

Agreed....except the Big12 would not be invitng Boise
State. FSU, Clemson, Miami and Ga. Tech bring the league to 14.

(03-02-2013 11:23 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:59 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Virginia to B1G. Missouri, the surprise, to B1G. Virginia Tech to SEC. ACC invites UConn and Cincy.
B1G then invites Duke and UNC. Big12 invites FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Ga Tech. ACC invites Temple and Memphis. SEC invites WVU and NCSU. Big12 invites Boise State.

Big12 can only pull from a weakened ACC. Virginia is holding the floodgates shut presently.

Big12 can jump the PAC12 in stature with this move.

People don't seem to realize this but nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12.

They will after the Big10 and the SEC take who they want.

(03-02-2013 11:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Losing one member in 42 years = raided? The Big 12 lost 4 members in 13 months, what would you call that?

Don't forget that the ACC's $50 million exit fee is so flimsy it'll be immediately thrown out the instant the lawsuit goes to trial but the Big XII's GOR is so rock-solid that God himself couldn't break it.

I don't think it is absurd but I do think the B1G went after the ACC's weakest link. If Maryland had not been swimming in red ink they would still be in the ACC.

(03-02-2013 11:23 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:59 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Virginia to B1G. Missouri, the surprise, to B1G. Virginia Tech to SEC. ACC invites UConn and Cincy.
B1G then invites Duke and UNC. Big12 invites FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Ga Tech. ACC invites Temple and Memphis. SEC invites WVU and NCSU. Big12 invites Boise State.

Big12 can only pull from a weakened ACC. Virginia is holding the floodgates shut presently.

Big12 can jump the PAC12 in stature with this move.

People don't seem to realize this but nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12.

They don't seem to realize that everyone in the ACC sees the BIG 12 as Texas and the eight dwarfs.

(03-02-2013 01:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:23 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:59 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Virginia to B1G. Missouri, the surprise, to B1G. Virginia Tech to SEC. ACC invites UConn and Cincy.
B1G then invites Duke and UNC. Big12 invites FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Ga Tech. ACC invites Temple and Memphis. SEC invites WVU and NCSU. Big12 invites Boise State.

Big12 can only pull from a weakened ACC. Virginia is holding the floodgates shut presently.

Big12 can jump the PAC12 in stature with this move.

People don't seem to realize this but nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12.

They don't seem to realize that everyone in the ACC sees the BIG 12 as Texas and the eight dwarfs.

Are there only 8? Maybe you forgot that school way over on the island.

Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

(03-02-2013 01:42 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

That's not saying much. Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than most of the country. It is what it is. What about after those two? Ok St? Baylor? Kansas? Kansas St? WV? Now you're talking about being really watered down in terms of football tradition.

This is why when realignment conversations come up no one ever talks about most of those other schools. No one talks about Texas Tech (unless they go with Tx), Baylor, Kansas St, TCU, Ok St (unless they go with Ok), Iowa St. That is most of the league. No one really wants them.

However in the ACC, you always hear UNC, UVA, GT, Clem, VT, FSU, Miami, NC St. That's half the league. Not to mention having ND whom everyone wants. That's alot of valuable properties multiple conferences want.

The conference with the most potential is the ACC and the Big 10 knows it.

(03-02-2013 02:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 01:42 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

That's not saying much. Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than most of the country. It is what it is. What about after those two? Ok St? Baylor? Kansas? Kansas St? WV? Now you're talking about being really watered down in terms of football tradition.

This is why when realignment conversations come up no one ever talks about most of those other schools. No one talks about Texas Tech (unless they go with Tx), Baylor, Kansas St, TCU, Ok St (unless they go with Ok), Iowa St. That is most of the league. No one really wants them.

However in the ACC, you always hear UNC, UVA, GT, Clem, VT, FSU, Miami, NC St. That's half the league. Not to mention having ND whom everyone wants. That's alot of valuable properties multiple conferences want.

The conference with the most potential is the ACC and the Big 10 knows it.

That's because you are in the ACC and only read their media. There are only 4 schools who haven't been ranked in the final AP Poll in the BCS era. UNC and Duke are two of them. Kansas St., TCU and WVU have more final AP poll points in the BCS era than anyone in the ACC other than FSU, Miami and VT. In fact, Louisville has more than anyone in the ACC other than those 3. And WVU fans are fond of noting they have as many BCS bowl wins (3) as the entire ACC.

Of the 10 Big 12 schools, only Iowa St. (9th) and Baylor (13th) haven't been as high as #2 at some point during the season in the BCS era. Virtually everyone has been considered a contender for an MNC. For the ACC, only Miami, FSU, VT and BC have been that high. SU, Wake and UNC have never cracked the top 10. Duke hasn't cracked the top 25 in a single poll.

So its really the ACC that has the deadweight in football competitiveness.

(03-02-2013 02:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 02:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 01:42 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

That's not saying much. Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than most of the country. It is what it is. What about after those two? Ok St? Baylor? Kansas? Kansas St? WV? Now you're talking about being really watered down in terms of football tradition.

This is why when realignment conversations come up no one ever talks about most of those other schools. No one talks about Texas Tech (unless they go with Tx), Baylor, Kansas St, TCU, Ok St (unless they go with Ok), Iowa St. That is most of the league. No one really wants them.

However in the ACC, you always hear UNC, UVA, GT, Clem, VT, FSU, Miami, NC St. That's half the league. Not to mention having ND whom everyone wants. That's alot of valuable properties multiple conferences want.

The conference with the most potential is the ACC and the Big 10 knows it.

That's because you are in the ACC and only read their media. There are only 4 schools who haven't been ranked in the final AP Poll in the BCS era. UNC and Duke are two of them. Kansas St., TCU and WVU have more final AP poll points in the BCS era than anyone in the ACC other than FSU, Miami and VT. In fact, Louisville has more than anyone in the ACC other than those 3. And WVU fans are fond of noting they have as many BCS bowl wins (3) as the entire ACC.

Of the 10 Big 12 schools, only Iowa St. (9th) and Baylor (13th) haven't been as high as #2 at some point during the season in the BCS era. Virtually everyone has been considered a contender for an MNC. For the ACC, only Miami, FSU, VT and BC have been that high. SU, Wake and UNC have never cracked the top 10. Duke hasn't cracked the top 25 in a single poll.

So its really the ACC that has the deadweight in football competitiveness.

Exactly.....just look at the bowl situation.

(03-02-2013 04:06 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 02:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 02:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 01:42 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

That's not saying much. Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than most of the country. It is what it is. What about after those two? Ok St? Baylor? Kansas? Kansas St? WV? Now you're talking about being really watered down in terms of football tradition.

This is why when realignment conversations come up no one ever talks about most of those other schools. No one talks about Texas Tech (unless they go with Tx), Baylor, Kansas St, TCU, Ok St (unless they go with Ok), Iowa St. That is most of the league. No one really wants them.

However in the ACC, you always hear UNC, UVA, GT, Clem, VT, FSU, Miami, NC St. That's half the league. Not to mention having ND whom everyone wants. That's alot of valuable properties multiple conferences want.

The conference with the most potential is the ACC and the Big 10 knows it.

That's because you are in the ACC and only read their media. There are only 4 schools who haven't been ranked in the final AP Poll in the BCS era. UNC and Duke are two of them. Kansas St., TCU and WVU have more final AP poll points in the BCS era than anyone in the ACC other than FSU, Miami and VT. In fact, Louisville has more than anyone in the ACC other than those 3. And WVU fans are fond of noting they have as many BCS bowl wins (3) as the entire ACC.

Of the 10 Big 12 schools, only Iowa St. (9th) and Baylor (13th) haven't been as high as #2 at some point during the season in the BCS era. Virtually everyone has been considered a contender for an MNC. For the ACC, only Miami, FSU, VT and BC have been that high. SU, Wake and UNC have never cracked the top 10. Duke hasn't cracked the top 25 in a single poll.

So its really the ACC that has the deadweight in football competitiveness.

Exactly.....just look at the bowl situation.

But I thought none of that mattered? I thought this was all about markets? Clearly the ACC isn't a very strong football conference, but the ACC has a presence in the entire eastern seaboard plus Ky and Indiana. That is a valuable location and if they stick together through this crazy period the conference will be in a great position to be very strong for years to come. The football may not be as good as the SEC or B1G but then you never know what can happen in a competitive sense down the road.

(03-02-2013 02:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 01:42 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than anyone in the ACC. End of story.

The ACC has no shot of surpassing the PAC12. Big 12 could do it.

That's not saying much. Texas and Oklahoma have better football tradition than most of the country. It is what it is. What about after those two? Ok St? Baylor? Kansas? Kansas St? WV? Now you're talking about being really watered down in terms of football tradition.

This is why when realignment conversations come up no one ever talks about most of those other schools. No one talks about Texas Tech (unless they go with Tx), Baylor, Kansas St, TCU, Ok St (unless they go with Ok), Iowa St. That is most of the league. No one really wants them.

However in the ACC, you always hear UNC, UVA, GT, Clem, VT, FSU, Miami, NC St. That's half the league. Not to mention having ND whom everyone wants. That's alot of valuable properties multiple conferences want.

The conference with the most potential is the ACC and the Big 10 knows it.

You're hilarious. You know that? WVU has as many BCS bowl wins as the ACC does...

(03-02-2013 11:23 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:59 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Virginia to B1G. Missouri, the surprise, to B1G. Virginia Tech to SEC. ACC invites UConn and Cincy.
B1G then invites Duke and UNC. Big12 invites FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Ga Tech. ACC invites Temple and Memphis. SEC invites WVU and NCSU. Big12 invites Boise State.

Big12 can only pull from a weakened ACC. Virginia is holding the floodgates shut presently.

Big12 can jump the PAC12 in stature with this move.

People don't seem to realize this but nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12.

But they sure are interested in the BIG or SEC. Even UL.

It's no secret that the B12's Achilles' Heel is lack of TV sets outside Texas and reliance on a single school for the majority of the TV contract's value. They are sitting pretty right now because ESPN overpaid to preserve the league but long term, the lack of markets will catch up them relative to the bigger leagues with bigger markets.

Likewise, it's no secret that the ACC's Achilles' Heel is lack of football success and traditional "King" level programs. They have a ton of potential with schools like VT, FSU, CU, GT, Miami and now UL too but they need to quit blaming the ACC because the traditional FB schools always have their run spoiled by an inexplicable loss to Wake or BC.