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RE: State of affairs at WVU
It sounds like there will be no realignment for a while, and although WVU may be on an island, that island sounds pretty good to me. The real WVU fans will understand this and wait it out. Even if the Big12-2 falls, they are sure to have a home in the ACC or the SEC.
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(02-26-2013 10:55 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:41 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  There is no one the Big 12 can realistically add from the ACC that will help WVU.

I gotta tell ya, every day I visit this board, I think, "There is no way I can see a more ridiculous post than the ones I've seen previously."......and I always get proven wrong.

I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

Yeah I hear ya... posts like UT doesn't value power over money. I wonder where these comments come from? Amazing.

(02-26-2013 10:17 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  BC has lost its traditional rivals and it has lost access to its alumni at its games except for the ones who live in Boston, which is probably a minority of them. In that sense the move to the ACC has been a disaster for them regardless of how well or poorly they do on the field and on the court.

You summed it up perfectly. The BBall is garbage and I cannot expound anymore than you just have on why. Miami is now putting a program together. Considering the influx of Bball excitement in South Beach with LeBron and the Heat, and the existing regional rivalries, I don't think it is coincidence. Coaching is still the most important factor, but Miami only gained in that deparment from the Bball side. They did lose New York though, and have only been good now.

The football, well, I don't know how you explain that. Scandals? Money/attendance? Coaching obviously. Doesn't look like they are getting back to prominence any time soon. It is what it is. Once thing is for sure, recruits from the North East aren't going down there anymore.

Eventually ESPN is going to want a top to bottom east coast conference. They lost Rutgers, and UConn and UC do not fill the gap for the TV dollar. Losing Maryland didn't help either. Still chips out there to work with, like Navy and WVU and of course the Irish. But ND and WVU are unavailable.


Miami and BC fans gleefully mocked ND as "irrelevant" 10-12 years ago.

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RE: State of affairs at WVU
(02-26-2013 05:12 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 04:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 12:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:41 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  There is no one the Big 12 can realistically add from the ACC that will help WVU.

I gotta tell ya, every day I visit this board, I think, "There is no way I can see a more ridiculous post than the ones I've seen previously."......and I always get proven wrong.

I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

Bingo....How could anyone not think WVU would love to have Pitt join the Big12.

Pitt is not joining the Big 12 and putting themselves in the same situation as WVU so that's that. Unless Virginia schools start leaving for the B1G and SEC, there is NOTHING the Big 12 can do to poach teams from the ACC. Nothing.

I did not say there was. You said there was no one they could add to help WVU. I said Pitt could and I think you have to admit that.

Pitt will jump at an offer from the Big12 when the Big and SEC raid the ACC.

Unless the B1G goes East/Southeast & West-(if OGB is correct & the GOR is not as ait tight as some have made it out to be)...nothing would stop it in theory from going after 1 Big XII school & 1 ACC school. If something like that were to happen right now the ACC IMO would be able to absord that hit a lot better.
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RE: State of affairs at WVU
(02-27-2013 05:33 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 05:12 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 04:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 12:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:41 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  There is no one the Big 12 can realistically add from the ACC that will help WVU.

I gotta tell ya, every day I visit this board, I think, "There is no way I can see a more ridiculous post than the ones I've seen previously."......and I always get proven wrong.

I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

Bingo....How could anyone not think WVU would love to have Pitt join the Big12.

Pitt is not joining the Big 12 and putting themselves in the same situation as WVU so that's that. Unless Virginia schools start leaving for the B1G and SEC, there is NOTHING the Big 12 can do to poach teams from the ACC. Nothing.

I did not say there was. You said there was no one they could add to help WVU. I said Pitt could and I think you have to admit that.

Pitt will jump at an offer from the Big12 when the Big and SEC raid the ACC.

Unless the B1G goes East/Southeast & West-(if OGB is correct & the GOR is not as ait tight as some have made it out to be)...nothing would stop it in theory from going after 1 Big XII school & 1 ACC school. If something like that were to happen right now the ACC IMO would be able to absord that hit a lot better.

I agree if only one ACC school left. However, I do not believe the Big will go after Kansas when Missouri has a little more to offer than KU. Missouri was considered by the BIG before they took Nebraska. I saw no mention by the media of KU ever being considered. MO could say no, but I seriously doubt it.

Also, Missouri has no GOR or exit fee to deal with. KU has the KSU problem plus the GOR, which is a problem no matter what. In any event, I do not see the BIG taking a Big12 school.

Of course, if they took Missouri (and stopped at 16), that would still leave only one ACC school being taken.. Then it would depend on what the SEC did.
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(02-27-2013 12:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I agree. However, I do not believe the Big will go after Kansas when Missouri has a little more to offer than KU. Missouri was considered by the BIG before they took Nebraska. I saw no mention by the media of KU ever being considered. Of course MO could say no, but I seriously doubt it.

Also, Missouri has no GOR or exit fee to deal with. KU has the GOR which is a problem no matter what.

That would still leave only one ACC school being taken...if that school is North Carolina, it could be katy bar the door for the ACC. If it is Virginia then it would likely depend on what the SEC did.

If the Big Ten is going to mess with the GOR issue, wouldn't it be for Texas?
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(02-27-2013 12:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 12:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I agree. However, I do not believe the Big will go after Kansas when Missouri has a little more to offer than KU. Missouri was considered by the BIG before they took Nebraska. I saw no mention by the media of KU ever being considered. Of course MO could say no, but I seriously doubt it.

Also, Missouri has no GOR or exit fee to deal with. KU has the GOR which is a problem no matter what.

That would still leave only one ACC school being taken...if that school is North Carolina, it could be katy bar the door for the ACC. If it is Virginia then it would likely depend on what the SEC did.

If the Big Ten is going to mess with the GOR issue, wouldn't it be for Texas?

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It's a bit over simplistic to assume that because the SEC does not have an exit fee, or a grant of rights, that schools will encounter no entanglements upon leaving. Loans to help schools make moves, contracts that have been signed, and various other legal documents that have been signed all provide entanglements for any school in any conference.

Could Missouri make a move? Sure. Would it be an easy thing to do? Absolutely not.

I don't mind reading other folks' speculations and ideas about what is going to happen, because just about anything could happen, ...just about. But don't assume that any school is free for a jail break. They are not. There are always entanglements and difficulties to be encountered.

I think sometimes the two biggest misconceptions about the SEC are (1.) that no exit fees means that anybody is free to leave. That simply isn't so.

The second is that the gentlemen's agreement actually exists and is in force. It doesn't and is not. Slive merely requested that additions #13 & #14 come from two new markets to activate the renegotiation clause of the last contract. He stated they could discuss schools from within the footprint after those two additions were made.

In 1992 Florida sponsored F.S.U. for membership. Last fall South Carolina stated no opposition to Clemson. Would Florida's and South Carolina's feelings be taken into consideration before their rivals were issued invitations? Sure they would. But South Carolina and Florida are state schools that receive revenue from their legislatures who have an absolute interest in doing what is best for all state schools. For Florida or South Carolina to oppose another state schools entrance into a better financial deal that would put less stress on the state appropriations would be politically stupid and they would dare not cast such a vote against their rival.

The question is really whether the SEC wants new markets for each addition. The answer to that is that it would be in their best interest to do so. That places Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Louisville further down the priority scale. In the studies that have been done to determine whether a school would add profit to the bottom line of the SEC both Florida State and Clemson proved that they could. The issue is that they wouldn't add as much as a new market in most cases. Florida State was the exception in that if a state added fewer than 2 million cable households the content value of Florida State would be roughly equal to, or exceed, those markets with less than 2 million people.

So, I say these things just to remind, or inform, posters that as far as the SEC is concerned the first two priorities are apparent. The conference very much desires to add Virginia and North Carolina to their markets.

There are only three schools that could be added from existing markets that would either pay their way or add profit and those are Texas who is likely never to choose the SEC and Florida State. Clemson would be close to a wash.

If the SEC goes to 16 they will wait on a North Carolina or Virginia school. If the SEC goes to 18 Florida State could well be in the mix. The question then will be where to get #18? Pittsburgh, West Virginia (only if they are still on an Island might the Big 12 consider releasing them), or the only other team that while it doesn't add also doesn't subtract from the SEC's bottom line, Clemson. But, in all likelihood should U.N.C. ever join the SEC the University System of North Carolina may well insist on N.C. State going with them if they do not have a suitable or profitable home, or U.N.C. may insist upon their rival Duke to be a traveling partner. In that case I wouldn't rule Florida State out as a #18.

If the SEC can acquire one school from each of those states they likely stop at 16. If they have to take two from North Carolina to get into that state they will not abandon their desires for a Virginia school and I believe they will go to 18 to achieve that market. Whether they go to 20 will depend on a number of other considerations including but not limited to what the Big 10 does, and where they choose to expand and with whom. It will also depend upon whether the Big 10 has breached the Big 12.

If the Big 10 raids the Big 12 and the SEC is at 18 they may save those final two spots for an Oklahoma team, a Kansas team, or a Dallas/Ft. Worth area school, or they will decide not to go that far west and will offer two more schools within their Southeastern footprint to consolidate and balance alignments. I tend to believe it will be the latter. Then you may see a Clemson, or a Miami, or a Louisville, or even Georgia Tech as an AAU school enter into the discussion. Of course the latter will depend on if any of those schools are still available.

If the ACC withstands and strengthens itself, and it well could, and the Big 12 gets breached maybe the SEC goes to 16 with West Virginia and another. We'll see, but I don't think it will be anytime soon.
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(02-25-2013 08:51 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  What goes around, goes around, goes around, goes all the way and back around.... yeah.

Sorry Mountaineers. Nobody feels sorry for you. Thanks for carrying the Big East for all those years though. Wouldn't have gotten that BCS TV dollar without you.

Why would we want anyone to feel sorry for us? We are very happy where we are at...We are getting paid and we are locked into the big boy club. I believe expansion will give us eastern partners soon enough.

PS thanks for being a perennial doormat and letting us beat you for the last 16 years in a row.

Agreed, this crowing over the "troubles" of WVU is just silly...

What WVU would have stopped Rutgers from going to the 10? or Pitt, Cuse, and L'ville from leaving?

If WVU stayed in the Big East they would be financially better off *THIS YEAR ONLY* and then maybe screwed from here to eternity.
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