(02-27-2013 06:23 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Any school that leaves what it has in the ACC is absolutely selfish and short-sighted. The ACC makes big money and is a Power5 conference. There's no way I'd leave my conference rivals for just a couple million more dollars a year. All this is getting ridiculous. The ACC has a good thing going and they should pursue the scheduling alliance with the BIG12. I hope the ACC institutions say "no" and bring the BIG10 back down to earth.

When the new "college football" is able to be seen by everyone else who hasn't had the vision to see where this is all going, then there will be a lot of folks going "Ohhhhhh! That's why!".

(02-27-2013 08:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 07:42 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I just want everyone to know that I have a standing offer to Kate Upton for a one night stand to be held at a Holiday Inn of her choosing. The ball is officially in her court.

Hope does spring eternal! By the way Kate prefers the Ritz.

Crackers?

Yes! But only with brie and not in bed.

So a threesome with Kate Upton and some other chick named Brie, AND Ritz crackers? And the only catch is she doesn't like to do it on the bed? Win win win!

(02-27-2013 08:29 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 08:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 07:42 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I just want everyone to know that I have a standing offer to Kate Upton for a one night stand to be held at a Holiday Inn of her choosing. The ball is officially in her court.

Hope does spring eternal! By the way Kate prefers the Ritz.

Crackers?

Yes! But only with brie and not in bed.

So a threesome with Kate Upton and some other chick named Brie, AND Ritz crackers? And the only catch is she doesn't like to do it on the bed? Win win win!

I know. It's a crummy job, but somebody has got to do it!

(02-27-2013 06:23 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Any school that leaves what it has in the ACC is absolutely selfish and short-sighted. The ACC makes big money and is a Power5 conference. There's no way I'd leave my conference rivals for just a couple million more dollars a year. All this is getting ridiculous. The ACC has a good thing going and they should pursue the scheduling alliance with the BIG12. I hope the ACC institutions say "no" and bring the BIG10 back down to earth.

Uhmm, $43M vs. $19M per year is a little bit more than "just a couple million more dollars year".

I don't like UNC but they are not a bankrupt Maryland, jealous Texas AM, unappreciated Nebraska, Missouri, or Colorado, lonely Rutgers or stuck in a minor conference like a concerned WVU was.

As much as I don't like it They are the alpha dog of the ACC a top 5 conference with an automatic bid to a football playoff.

(02-27-2013 10:46 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I don't like UNC but they are not a bankrupt Maryland, jealous Texas AM, unappreciated Nebraska, Missouri, or Colorado, lonely Rutgers or stuck in a minor conference like a concerned WVU was.

As much as I don't like it They are the alpha dog of the ACC a top 5 conference with an automatic bid to a football playoff.

Which is exactly why they would demand the Big Ten bring over plenty of their friends so that they have a strong bloc in the Big Ten. To a degree it would be much like a merger.

The idea of bringing over UNC to a 16 team Big Ten was idealistic but never realistic. The reality of the situation is as you say. That is why talk about 20 teams is now coming out of the mouths of some pretty high up folks. Sixteen didn't work.

(02-27-2013 04:24 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I just want everyone to know that I have a standing offer to Kate Upton for a one night stand to be held at a Holiday Inn of her choosing. The ball is officially in her court.

There is a guy on the Syracuse board saying she is waiting for you at the Holiday Inn in Poughkeepsie, NY. Two posters on a TCU board said their AD told a group of boosters she is waiting for you at a Holiday Inn in Fort Worth. They can't both be right?!?

I'll wait for the WVU fans to weigh in. They have "inside sources" at every Holiday Inn in America.

(02-27-2013 08:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 06:23 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Any school that leaves what it has in the ACC is absolutely selfish and short-sighted. The ACC makes big money and is a Power5 conference. There's no way I'd leave my conference rivals for just a couple million more dollars a year. All this is getting ridiculous. The ACC has a good thing going and they should pursue the scheduling alliance with the BIG12. I hope the ACC institutions say "no" and bring the BIG10 back down to earth.

When the new "college football" is able to be seen by everyone else who hasn't had the vision to see where this is all going, then there will be a lot of folks going "Ohhhhhh! That's why!".

Would peyote' help the rest of us see this elusive "vision" apparently only perceived by a Chosen Few with special insight?

I get that you have this special insight and "vision" of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs, a title game, etc....

Your "new college football" sounds like reheated, microwaved "NFL Lite", to me.

But, your "vision" might just be merely "wanting **** to happen really badly".

It may happen. If so, I will come on here, eat crow and praise your "vision". I will admit that I was a Doubting Thomas and that you were right.

But, it just might not happen and maybe, just maybe, not enough of the right folks share your "vision" to make it a "reality".

Time will tell. Meanwhile, I am getting "Realignment Fatigue", big time.

(Yeah, I know. It is a self inflicted condition, like heroin addiction).

(02-27-2013 11:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 10:46 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I don't like UNC but they are not a bankrupt Maryland, jealous Texas AM, unappreciated Nebraska, Missouri, or Colorado, lonely Rutgers or stuck in a minor conference like a concerned WVU was.

As much as I don't like it They are the alpha dog of the ACC a top 5 conference with an automatic bid to a football playoff.

Which is exactly why they would demand the Big Ten bring over plenty of their friends so that they have a strong bloc in the Big Ten. To a degree it would be much like a merger.

The idea of bringing over UNC to a 16 team Big Ten was idealistic but never realistic. The reality of the situation is as you say. That is why talk about 20 teams is now coming out of the mouths of some pretty high up folks. Sixteen didn't work.

Why not 24? How about 32?

(02-27-2013 11:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 11:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 10:46 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I don't like UNC but they are not a bankrupt Maryland, jealous Texas AM, unappreciated Nebraska, Missouri, or Colorado, lonely Rutgers or stuck in a minor conference like a concerned WVU was.

As much as I don't like it They are the alpha dog of the ACC a top 5 conference with an automatic bid to a football playoff.

Which is exactly why they would demand the Big Ten bring over plenty of their friends so that they have a strong bloc in the Big Ten. To a degree it would be much like a merger.

The idea of bringing over UNC to a 16 team Big Ten was idealistic but never realistic. The reality of the situation is as you say. That is why talk about 20 teams is now coming out of the mouths of some pretty high up folks. Sixteen didn't work.

Why not 24? How about 32?

How about 128?

(02-27-2013 11:23 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:24 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I just want everyone to know that I have a standing offer to Kate Upton for a one night stand to be held at a Holiday Inn of her choosing. The ball is officially in her court.

There is a guy on the Syracuse board saying she is waiting for you at the Holiday Inn in Poughkeepsie, NY. Two posters on a TCU board said their AD told a group of boosters she is waiting for you at a Holiday Inn in Fort Worth. They can't both be right?!?

I'll wait for the WVU fans to weigh in. They have "inside sources" at every Holiday Inn in America.

we just have lifetime memberships to all the flight tracking websites

What it seems to all boil down to is that for years, the following schools have had a standing B1G offer: Texas, Notre Dame and Carolina.

Yet, for all their efforts, the B1G actually landed small fish Maryland and Rutgers.
The ACC, for its part, landed the following new members: Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame and Louisville.

The ACC is safe, thank you very much.
Now, when Notre Dame decides to play conference football and brings Navy along for the ride, the process will be completed.

I think an important point was made earlier. If UNC chooses not to move, then BIG may go on without them, leaving UNC in the dust as NCSU and maybe Duke or another ACC school leave and take the BIG offer. The act of doing nothing by UNC may have a more pronounced affect. Being from Cincinnati I can say there is a lot to that statement. Under Greg Williams as President of Cincinnati, we held pat with the Big East supporting the league throughout and look what it got us? Nothing? So staying pat as the world crumbles around you as Greg Williams chose is not good, not good at all. The UNC deal leaving to go anywhere is good for Cincinnati.

(03-03-2013 07:42 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I think an important point was made earlier. If UNC chooses not to move, then BIG may go on without them, leaving UNC in the dust as NCSU and maybe Duke or another ACC school leave and take the BIG offer. The act of doing nothing by UNC may have a more pronounced affect. Being from Cincinnati I can say there is a lot to that statement. Under Greg Williams as President of Cincinnati, we held pat with the Big East supporting the league throughout and look what it got us? Nothing? So staying pat as the world crumbles around you as Greg Williams chose is not good, not good at all. The UNC deal leaving to go anywhere is good for Cincinnati.

If the Big Ten was to do such it would be with Duke not NCSU. Reason being, Duke fits in better AND it is the better bait. Been my opinion for a few weeks now that IF UVA really does want to join that the Big Ten should start it off with UVA and Duke if UNC is not wanting to move. Duke does not have the cultural issues to the same degree that UNC does.

agreed, Duke is an excellent fit for the B1G. Not only are they an elite academic institution that would equally add to and take from the CIC, they bring elite basketball and lacrosse to the league, both of which the conference wants to become the undisputed #1 in. Their football program is improving again, and they have a lot of influential alumni which would help the B1G get what it wants from DC and Wall St. I'm pretty sure they are interested in acquiring both Duke and UNC.

(03-03-2013 10:16 AM)AntiG Wrote:  agreed, Duke is an excellent fit for the B1G. Not only are they an elite academic institution that would equally add to and take from the CIC, they bring elite basketball and lacrosse to the league, both of which the conference wants to become the undisputed #1 in. Their football program is improving again, and they have a lot of influential alumni which would help the B1G get what it wants from DC and Wall St. I'm pretty sure they are interested in acquiring both Duke and UNC.

Duke also draws well in NY/NJ and would help the B1G maximize their investment in Rutgers as an entrance into that market.

(03-03-2013 11:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 10:16 AM)AntiG Wrote:  agreed, Duke is an excellent fit for the B1G. Not only are they an elite academic institution that would equally add to and take from the CIC, they bring elite basketball and lacrosse to the league, both of which the conference wants to become the undisputed #1 in. Their football program is improving again, and they have a lot of influential alumni which would help the B1G get what it wants from DC and Wall St. I'm pretty sure they are interested in acquiring both Duke and UNC.

Duke also draws well in NY/NJ and would help the B1G maximize their investment in Rutgers as an entrance into that market.

Yeah, sure. Ohio State at Duke FB might draw 33,984. Don't think so.

(03-03-2013 03:47 PM)westwolf Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 10:16 AM)AntiG Wrote:  agreed, Duke is an excellent fit for the B1G. Not only are they an elite academic institution that would equally add to and take from the CIC, they bring elite basketball and lacrosse to the league, both of which the conference wants to become the undisputed #1 in. Their football program is improving again, and they have a lot of influential alumni which would help the B1G get what it wants from DC and Wall St. I'm pretty sure they are interested in acquiring both Duke and UNC.

Duke also draws well in NY/NJ and would help the B1G maximize their investment in Rutgers as an entrance into that market.

Yeah, sure. Ohio State at Duke FB might draw 33,984. Don't think so.

It would be sold out but by Ohio St fans. Living in SC and being from NC, I can tell you that you can't spit without hitting a Ohio St fan on Hilton Head. Carolina's are crawling with Ohio St grads and Ohio natives. Duke is certainly known, almost joked about as the University of NJ at Durham....maybe a nice rivalry between Duke and Rutgers gets going out of all this to determine the best team from NJ

(03-03-2013 07:42 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I think an important point was made earlier. If UNC chooses not to move, then BIG may go on without them, leaving UNC in the dust as NCSU and maybe Duke or another ACC school leave and take the BIG offer. The act of doing nothing by UNC may have a more pronounced affect. Being from Cincinnati I can say there is a lot to that statement. Under Greg Williams as President of Cincinnati, we held pat with the Big East supporting the league throughout and look what it got us? Nothing? So staying pat as the world crumbles around you as Greg Williams chose is not good, not good at all. The UNC deal leaving to go anywhere is good for Cincinnati.

Wait..what?

a) NC State would first need to have a B1G invitation. UNC, for all of the stuff we hate about them, is the preferred NC-based target for the B1G.

b) The poster clearly doesn't have an understanding of NC politics. NC State isn't leaving the ACC for the B1G and leave UNC behind at the same time.

c) UNC doing nothing means that 1) Duke is doing nothing, and 2) UVA is doing nothing. GT may or may not go, but the grand prize in all of this is UNC (love 'em or hate 'em).

For the ACC to be cracked, an entity would have to crack the triumphant that is UNC-Duke-UVA, and as long as that triumphant is in place, NC State, Wake, Clemson and VT are staying put.

Like I stated earlier -- for all of the talk of the B1G wanting Notre Dame, Texas and UNC, the B1G actually ended up with Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers.

One of those schools left because Texas created enough acrimony and/or instability to force it out.

Another one of those schools left because a) long-standing conference acrimony coupled with b) huge athletic department debt, and c) a school president who believes the grass in Minneapolis is greener than the grass in Winston-Salem.

And the other school is just happy to be along for the ride (great for them!) b/c the B1G needed a "partner" school and couldn't get, again, Notre Dame, Texas or UNC.

(03-04-2013 12:15 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Like I stated earlier -- for all of the talk of the B1G wanting Notre Dame, Texas and UNC, the B1G actually ended up with Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers.

I think your point has merit. But something Frank pointed out a while back was that other than the Moby Dicks in all this nonsense - ND and Texas - the two schools that would add the most cash flow to the B1G were Rutgers and Maryland because of the TV sets they would snare for the BTN.

So it's not like they just completely settled here. They have a plan, and those two schools have fit into the plan from the beginning.

Right now, I think the only major, strategic question left to be answered is whether or not the PAC goes to 16 with Texahoma, thereby blocking any meaningful expansion past 16 by the SEC, ACC or B1G. OR does the B1G move the bar up to 20 and pretty much make PAC expansion impossible?

If the B1G can go to 20, the SEC will likely be able to follow because the ACC will be weakened, then Texas will be in the driver's seat for creating a major conference in whatever fashion it wants.