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(02-27-2013 03:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If it's getting ratings with 10 games that are dogs- if they up the quality of the games even just to a small degree- what would happen?

And the thing is with the NFL- even with the dog games- folks watch because of 2 big reasons... Fantasy football and Gambling.

I agree. But you are watering down the product with oversaturation. Nobody is pining for football that early in the year. After weeks 3/4, people move on to post season baseball. Hockey starts up. There are other events to watch on Thursday night. After Thanksgiving is when it works. Leave them wanting more. Plus it opens the door for big time college games on Thursday night. College games on Friday night would do poor ratings and it ****s all over high school kids.
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(02-27-2013 12:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Your numbers are way off for the NFL.

17 Sunday Night Football games
17 Monday night games
1 Thursday season opener
3 Thanksgiving games
right there is 38 games. 38/256 is like 15%.

When you add in 15 NFL network games- you are up to 53/256 or about 21%. And- that doesn't even take into account the Sunday late afternoon slots which have gotten more and more to fewer and fewer games.

16% vs. 21% huuuge difference. 04-cheers
There's 16 Mon. Night but they had a Mon Night on Sat. b/c of X-mas eve this year.
There are also 3 regional games on every week so 51 more games to go w/ the 53. 104 of 256 can be seen, w/o having Sun. Ticket, be it 51 of them are regional. I have Sun Ticket b/c I'm not going to miss Packer games in favor of the 49ers, Raiders and Chargers 03-puke
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(02-27-2013 07:35 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 03:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If it's getting ratings with 10 games that are dogs- if they up the quality of the games even just to a small degree- what would happen?

And the thing is with the NFL- even with the dog games- folks watch because of 2 big reasons... Fantasy football and Gambling.

I agree. But you are watering down the product with oversaturation. Nobody is pining for football that early in the year. After weeks 3/4, people move on to post season baseball. Hockey starts up. There are other events to watch on Thursday night. After Thanksgiving is when it works. Leave them wanting more. Plus it opens the door for big time college games on Thursday night. College games on Friday night would do poor ratings and it ****s all over high school kids.

I think we see your motivation- to protect the college Thursday night games. Figures from a Rutgers fan- Rutgers is one who has benefitted the most from Thursday night football I think(right up there with VT)
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Well **** man, how was I supposed to watch that God awful Rutgers/USF game and watch, who was on that night on NFLN? San Fran/Seattle? Which was also a good game. Flipping back and forth sucks. I'd take two games over one don't get me wrong, just not when my teams are involved.

College is meant to be played on Thursday night. Friday is an open day for many students and Thursday night is the best way to kick start the weekend. Not to mention players get the extra day of rest with the Saturday-Thursday turnaround. It's a no brainer.

Get rid of TNF week 10 prior. It's that simple.
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(02-28-2013 08:50 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Well **** man, how was I supposed to watch that God awful Rutgers/USF game and watch, who was on that night on NFLN? San Fran/Seattle? Which was also a good game. Flipping back and forth sucks. I'd take two games over one don't get me wrong, just not when my teams are involved.

College is meant to be played on Thursday night. Friday is an open day for many students and Thursday night is the best way to kick start the weekend. Not to mention players get the extra day of rest with the Saturday-Thursday turnaround. It's a no brainer.

Get rid of TNF week 10 prior. It's that simple.
got a new answer for you- starting 2014 you won't be having any Rutgers college football games on Thursday night. Big Ten doesn't play any.
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(02-28-2013 08:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  got a new answer for you- starting 2014 you won't be having any Rutgers college football games on Thursday night. Big Ten doesn't play any.

Yeah well academics come first. Only dropouts party every Thursday and skip classes on Fridays.
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(02-28-2013 08:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 07:35 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 03:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If it's getting ratings with 10 games that are dogs- if they up the quality of the games even just to a small degree- what would happen?

And the thing is with the NFL- even with the dog games- folks watch because of 2 big reasons... Fantasy football and Gambling.

I agree. But you are watering down the product with oversaturation. Nobody is pining for football that early in the year. After weeks 3/4, people move on to post season baseball. Hockey starts up. There are other events to watch on Thursday night. After Thanksgiving is when it works. Leave them wanting more. Plus it opens the door for big time college games on Thursday night. College games on Friday night would do poor ratings and it ****s all over high school kids.

I think we see your motivation- to protect the college Thursday night games. Figures from a Rutgers fan- Rutgers is one who has benefitted the most from Thursday night football I think(right up there with VT)

Well, look at it this way: if Rutgers have benefited from college Thursday night, there might be others who could benefit from college Thursday in the future. Not saying that there will be or won't be others, but might be others.
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(02-28-2013 01:51 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 12:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Your numbers are way off for the NFL.

17 Sunday Night Football games
17 Monday night games
1 Thursday season opener
3 Thanksgiving games
right there is 38 games. 38/256 is like 15%.

When you add in 15 NFL network games- you are up to 53/256 or about 21%. And- that doesn't even take into account the Sunday late afternoon slots which have gotten more and more to fewer and fewer games.

16% vs. 21% huuuge difference. 04-cheers
There's 16 Mon. Night but they had a Mon Night on Sat. b/c of X-mas eve this year.
There are also 3 regional games on every week so 51 more games to go w/ the 53. 104 of 256 can be seen, w/o having Sun. Ticket, be it 51 of them are regional. I have Sun Ticket b/c I'm not going to miss Packer games in favor of the 49ers, Raiders and Chargers 03-puke

If I cared about the NFL more, I wish I wouldn't miss Raider games in favor of the Jaguars, Dolphins, or Saints. But, I really don't care about the NFL that much, so it's all good. :D
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(02-27-2013 12:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:13 AM)S11 Wrote:  I really don't see too much of a difference.

Tier 1 tv contracts: SEC on CBS, B1G/B12/P12 on ABC/FOX/ESPN, and ACC on ESPN/ABC are pretty similar to the MNF and SNF contracts.

Tier 2 and 3 (FOX and CBS NFL) is pretty similar to the regional coverage that a lot of ESPN coverage maps feature. It's happening but not under the one-league umbrella... it's happening at the networks where they put the best coverage maps they can out there to maximize their coverage.

Big 10 has two to four morning games cleared nationally across the ESPN family plus BTN. An afternoon game where ABC/ESPN coverage is regional but still cleared nationally just the outlet varies. Then some ESPN/ESPN2 later.

SEC. Morning is regional. CBS cleared nationally. Night will be ESPN family national with some regional (usually CSS).

But my point wasn't about B1G or SEC.

It was about MWC, MAC, Big East, CUSA, Sun Belt trying to play that game when they could bundle tier I to a carrier with regional broadcast capability if they could cooperate which is against their nature.

Too much ego. But then MWC and CUSA renewed (aka Big East) may do it now since MWC and old CUSA were trying to do it.
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With all the talk of NCAA splitoffs, its interesting that the Big 5 have 12-15 year contracts and the others have 5-6 year contracts.
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(02-28-2013 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  With all the talk of NCAA splitoffs, its interesting that the Big 5 have 12-15 year contracts and the others have 5-6 year contracts.

It makes sense for the top conferences, because ESPN and Fox are saying: In exchange for this very large amount of money, you have to give us some long-term cost certainty.

It also protects the networks -- in the short-term -- against the conferences trying to goose up their TV value by adding more schools. If a conference wants to add schools in the middle of its contract (like the ACC and SEC have done), then they only get as much additional money as ESPN is willing to give them, which isn't as much as you could get in an open bidding process, and they don't get to "cash in" for their new lineup on the open market until the long-term contract is up.

Just think how much more unstable these conferences might be if they were all on five-year TV deals. Every top league would repeatedly be doing what the Big Ten is doing right now, i.e., expanding just to increase leverage for impending TV negotiations. In the middle of a long-term deal, that leverage doesn't exist for the conferences, which might make expansion less likely.
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