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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 07:50 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 10:03 AM)btiger Wrote:  It is hard for a team to rely on shooting guards to carry them.

WSU just knocked off OSU with guards carrying them. It's about making shots when shots need to be made. And 6'7" -6'8" guys not dominating but holding their own and actually rebounding.

Our team is missing your last statement. Decent big men take pressure off guards to allow them to carry a team and get easier shots.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-30-2013 05:25 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(03-30-2013 01:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(03-30-2013 12:24 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(03-30-2013 10:39 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Next season we add King and Nichols, to go along with Black and Shaq on our frontline. I can see King playing either SF or the PF spots. (He will need to add some weight and muscle)
If he passes....Iverson and Adonis will split small forward minutes.
I think with those 4 newcomers....our frontline woes will be fixed.

Don't know if one tall, but skinny, freshman will fix our frontline woes.

Or if a second tall, but skinny, freshman can be shifted from wing to power forward in an attempt to fix our frontline woes.

Oh, I dunno. I'm old enough to remember a 6' 10" 190 lb kid who pretty much fixed our entire team.

Keith Lee weighed about 215 had the largest and best hands I've ever seen. There is no Keith Lee in this recruiting class. So lets just put that to rest.

"Lee has tried to gain weight and did, in fact, climb above 200 pounds last spring. But mononucleosis wiped out the gain last summer."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/a.../index.htm

190 lbs when he got here, 230 lbs when he left. Gained 40 lbs while he was here and probably cost him his career. Never doubt me on Keith.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
I was the strength coach on the basketball team Keith's Freshman year as a Grad Assistant. Keith Lee was very thin when he arrived. Keith was a great player, but don't forget he had William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes eventually. Both were pretty strong rebounders and could score. They tried but it was hard for teams to double up on Keith.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 04:42 PM)msu65 Wrote:  I was the strength coach on the basketball team Keith's Freshman year as a Grad Assistant. Keith Lee was very thin when he arrived. Keith was a great player, but don't forget he had William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes eventually. Both were pretty strong rebounders and could score. They tried but it was hard for teams to double up on Keith.

And, once again, the very under rated Derrick Phillipps
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 04:50 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 04:42 PM)msu65 Wrote:  I was the strength coach on the basketball team Keith's Freshman year as a Grad Assistant. Keith Lee was very thin when he arrived. Keith was a great player, but don't forget he had William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes eventually. Both were pretty strong rebounders and could score. They tried but it was hard for teams to double up on Keith.

And, once again, the very under rated Derrick Phillipps

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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 06:34 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 04:50 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 04:42 PM)msu65 Wrote:  I was the strength coach on the basketball team Keith's Freshman year as a Grad Assistant. Keith Lee was very thin when he arrived. Keith was a great player, but don't forget he had William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes eventually. Both were pretty strong rebounders and could score. They tried but it was hard for teams to double up on Keith.

And, once again, the very under rated Derrick Phillipps

Not sure I follow??

Sorry.

Keith Lee's front court mate was Derrick Phillips.

Derrick quite often did a lot of the dirty work on guys like Olajawon and Ewing which gave Lee more freedom to maneuver.

Keith Lee was so good, that there usually wasn't much publicity left over for a guy like Phillips.

Obviously, I appreciated the work he did, which I contend was a big factor in Lee's remarkable career.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 08:32 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 06:34 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 04:50 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 04:42 PM)msu65 Wrote:  I was the strength coach on the basketball team Keith's Freshman year as a Grad Assistant. Keith Lee was very thin when he arrived. Keith was a great player, but don't forget he had William Bedford and Baskerville Holmes eventually. Both were pretty strong rebounders and could score. They tried but it was hard for teams to double up on Keith.

And, once again, the very under rated Derrick Phillipps

Not sure I follow??

Sorry.

Keith Lee's front court mate was Derrick Phillips.

Derrick quite often did a lot of the dirty work on guys like Olajawon and Ewing which gave Lee more freedom to maneuver.

Keith Lee was so good, that there usually wasn't much publicity left over for a guy like Phillips.

Obviously, I appreciated the work he did, which I contend was a big factor in Lee's remarkable career.

Phillips was the anvil to Lee's hammer in controlling Patrick Ewing. Phillips out rebounded Ewing 11 to 9 in the 3/20/83 NCAA 2nd Round Tourney game.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxs...etown.html
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Wow that box score is incredible! Thanks for the link. Keith had 15 rebounds and was 8 for 11 from the field.

Why can't young men like Black see that that is what the game is about? Go after the boards and hit whatever shots you take. I would love to see a Tiger with that stat line. It is about heart and effort even more than coaching.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 09:23 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Wow that box score is incredible! Thanks for the link. Keith had 15 rebounds and was 8 for 11 from the field.

Why can't young men like Black see that that is what the game is about? Go after the boards and hit whatever shots you take. I would love to see a Tiger with that stat line. It is about heart and effort even more than coaching.

Keith Lee could shoot the long ball with the best in the country AND was almost unstoppable in the paint. He would go after every ball, had great hands, and was a great passer.

Lee was multitalented and his kind don’t come around too often.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
(03-31-2013 09:23 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Wow that box score is incredible! Thanks for the link. Keith had 15 rebounds and was 8 for 11 from the field.

Why can't young men like Black see that that is what the game is about? Go after the boards and hit whatever shots you take. I would love to see a Tiger with that stat line. It is about heart and effort even more than coaching.

More impressive is that Keith was 12-16 from the free throw line. You never held your breath when he shot free throws. In fact most of the guys during that time were good free throw shooters.
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RE: Our Lack Of A Front-Line Will Keep Us From Winning
I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?
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(04-01-2013 11:36 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?

There are probably better.
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You can hire whoever you want to coach them, but if they are going to reach in 20 feet away from the basket and get their second foul 2 minutes into the game, then there is not much that coach can help them with.
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(04-01-2013 02:10 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 11:36 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?

There are probably better.

with degrees.
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(04-01-2013 03:58 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:10 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 11:36 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?

There are probably better.

with degrees.

Keith got his degree, but you can't teach talent, and that's what separates him from most of the rest. His was off the chart.
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If not for Keith's weight gain and knee issues that slowed him down greatly, I think we would have won the 1985 title, and maybe even finished with only 1 loss all season. Keith wasnt the same his senior year, even though we were still a Final Four team
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How cool is it to post on a Btiger thread...suhweeeet! If Btiger were in Hollywood he'd easily be the new Chuck Norris....you are definitely KOAP material Sir.

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(04-01-2013 05:38 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 03:58 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:10 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 11:36 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?

There are probably better.

with degrees.

Keith got his degree, but you can't teach talent, and that's what separates him from most of the rest. His was off the chart.

I apologize, congrats to Keith. I had not heard that. Then he should be considered by all means.

The one thing Keith did that most bigs don't, he kept the ball high, rarely put it on the floor.
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(04-02-2013 10:38 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 05:38 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 03:58 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:10 PM)msu65 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 11:36 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I know Keith has coached basketball.
I don't think there would be a better guy to hire to coach our big men than Keith Lee.
Wonder if Coach Pastner has ever thought about it?

There are probably better.

with degrees.

Keith got his degree, but you can't teach talent, and that's what separates him from most of the rest. His was off the chart.

I apologize, congrats to Keith. I had not heard that. Then he should be considered by all means.

The one thing Keith did that most bigs don't, he kept the ball high, rarely put it on the floor.

He didn't have to for two reasons:
1. he had more range on his shot than most bigs (didn't have to fight to regain position).
2. guards knew where to give him the ball (didn't have to give up position to get the ball).
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