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(02-27-2013 12:00 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Wish there was a law that the school down south had to play us every year, like IOwa State plays against Iowa.
Intra-State rivalries amongst public schools really rock!

I always thought that the Ohio state legislators passed a law that OSU had to play a MAC Ohio school. They wanted the guarantee money to stay in state.
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(02-27-2013 12:47 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 12:00 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Wish there was a law that the school down south had to play us every year, like IOwa State plays against Iowa.
Intra-State rivalries amongst public schools really rock!

I always thought that the Ohio state legislators passed a law that OSU had to play a MAC Ohio school. They wanted the guarantee money to stay in state.

Michigan schools I believe.
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Taking a post away from Mr. Reality...

In reality AD Compher is not going to publicly say that this will hurt NIU.


Just the same as he said that he was not worried about IL St new stadium...while the IHSA bid for the football championship was under review.
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(02-27-2013 12:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Taking a post away from Mr. Reality...

In reality AD Compher is not going to publicly say that this will hurt NIU.


Just the same as he said that he was not worried about IL St new stadium...while the IHSA bid for the football championship was under review.

the big ten has to play someone out of conference. I agree with our AD
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(02-27-2013 04:16 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  the big ten has to play someone out of conference. I agree with our AD
A 9 game schedule is ok.

A 10 game schedule would hurt NIU and the MAC.

If he has inside info that the B1G is going to 9 then I agree with his statement.

If he does not have knowledge of 9 or 10 games then he is just giving a safe PR response as usual...which is fine for his position.
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Quite frankly, I'm disappointed in Compher's responses.

Consider the Big Ten's scheduling from the standpoint of a Big Ten school: because some want to protect certain rivalries (Mich-OSU, Ill-NU, PU-IU, etc.), others in the league complain that alternating between five home games one year with four the next, coupled with crossovers, leads to too many inequities. IF the league expands beyond 14, you can bet the 10-game schedule is the only way to offset those concerns. And the bottom line, this is being reactive to something NIU and the MAC can't control, get proactive in scheduling.

So there is no question what the Big 10 does is definitely going to affect MAC teams. Compher says "Big Ten schools probably won’t want to schedule BCS schools in the nonconference," he's wrong. If TV honchos offer big bucks to stage a Nebraska-Oklahoma game, Michigan-Texas, Florida-Ohio State, money will be the deciding factor.

Compher also says: “They need home games, so that’s important to them, obviously. So they’ll be looking to try and fill in for additional home games,"
So I guess outside of Soldier Field, he's given up on the idea of fighting to get a Big 10 to come to Huskie Stadium. Take any Big 10 school that doesn't travel in large numbers (Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue) or is a great distance away (Maryland, Rutgers), and Compher should be negotiating (3-for-1, 4-for-1) to get them here. There's no reason not to get a lower-tier Big 12 school (Iowa State, Kansas, or in the old days Kansas State) to come to DeKalb just like we once had Wake Forest and Vanderbilt as home foes. If Navy and Army can find their way to DeKalb, why not Air Force. Why not aim for Colorado, Duke, Virginia, Boston College, Kentucky, Washington or Washington State. Does he have any connections? An Orange Bowl participant or a school that's been to five straight bowls should have some clout in scheduling.
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(02-27-2013 06:43 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Quite frankly, I'm disappointed in Compher's responses.

Consider the Big Ten's scheduling from the standpoint of a Big Ten school: because some want to protect certain rivalries (Mich-OSU, Ill-NU, PU-IU, etc.), others in the league complain that alternating between five home games one year with four the next, coupled with crossovers, leads to too many inequities. IF the league expands beyond 14, you can bet the 10-game schedule is the only way to offset those concerns. And the bottom line, this is being reactive to something NIU and the MAC can't control, get proactive in scheduling.

So there is no question what the Big 10 does is definitely going to affect MAC teams. Compher says "Big Ten schools probably won’t want to schedule BCS schools in the nonconference," he's wrong. If TV honchos offer big bucks to stage a Nebraska-Oklahoma game, Michigan-Texas, Florida-Ohio State, money will be the deciding factor.

Compher also says: “They need home games, so that’s important to them, obviously. So they’ll be looking to try and fill in for additional home games,"
So I guess outside of Soldier Field, he's given up on the idea of fighting to get a Big 10 to come to Huskie Stadium. Take any Big 10 school that doesn't travel in large numbers (Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue) or is a great distance away (Maryland, Rutgers), and Compher should be negotiating (3-for-1, 4-for-1) to get them here. There's no reason not to get a lower-tier Big 12 school (Iowa State, Kansas, or in the old days Kansas State) to come to DeKalb just like we once had Wake Forest and Vanderbilt as home foes. If Navy and Army can find their way to DeKalb, why not Air Force. Why not aim for Colorado, Duke, Virginia, Boston College, Kentucky, Washington or Washington State. Does he have any connections? An Orange Bowl participant or a school that's been to five straight bowls should have some clout in scheduling.

Does JC have connections? Um, hello......IDAHO!
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What other schools has our AD worked at, and has he reached out to any to any of them for possible games?
He was at Washington, did he leave in good standing or did he burn bridges?
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(02-27-2013 06:43 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Quite frankly, I'm disappointed in Compher's responses.

Consider the Big Ten's scheduling from the standpoint of a Big Ten school: because some want to protect certain rivalries (Mich-OSU, Ill-NU, PU-IU, etc.), others in the league complain that alternating between five home games one year with four the next, coupled with crossovers, leads to too many inequities. IF the league expands beyond 14, you can bet the 10-game schedule is the only way to offset those concerns. And the bottom line, this is being reactive to something NIU and the MAC can't control, get proactive in scheduling.

So there is no question what the Big 10 does is definitely going to affect MAC teams. Compher says "Big Ten schools probably won’t want to schedule BCS schools in the nonconference," he's wrong. If TV honchos offer big bucks to stage a Nebraska-Oklahoma game, Michigan-Texas, Florida-Ohio State, money will be the deciding factor.

Compher also says: “They need home games, so that’s important to them, obviously. So they’ll be looking to try and fill in for additional home games,"
So I guess outside of Soldier Field, he's given up on the idea of fighting to get a Big 10 to come to Huskie Stadium. Take any Big 10 school that doesn't travel in large numbers (Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue) or is a great distance away (Maryland, Rutgers), and Compher should be negotiating (3-for-1, 4-for-1) to get them here. There's no reason not to get a lower-tier Big 12 school (Iowa State, Kansas, or in the old days Kansas State) to come to DeKalb just like we once had Wake Forest and Vanderbilt as home foes. If Navy and Army can find their way to DeKalb, why not Air Force. Why not aim for Colorado, Duke, Virginia, Boston College, Kentucky, Washington or Washington State. Does he have any connections? An Orange Bowl participant or a school that's been to five straight bowls should have some clout in scheduling.

I don't think he's ever had the idea.
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(02-27-2013 11:37 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:22 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  I don't buy the idea that future games against Big Ten schools aren't in jeopardy, especially if they go to a 10-game conference schedule.

Yes going to 10 games would hurt MAC/NIU, even without them scheduling FCS teams past 2017.

One other thing is a 10 game B1G conference schedule (still 12 game regular season) would GREATLY hurt the chances our SF games with B1G opponents.



I still think they will only agree on 9 games. That way each B1G team can have a 1-1 with a AQ team if they would like and have the away game the year they have 5 B1G home games leaving 2 OOC games for them to pay someone to come to their place.
You may be right that a 9 game conference schedule wins out of 10 but reading what Barry Alvarez has said recently, he's in favor of 10. As has been mentioned that gives NIU the opportunity to schedule NC ST, Vandy, Arky, Kentucky, Tennesee and B12 programs like Iowa State, Kansas, KSU, Oklahome, OKie St maybe even Texas. Big 12 teams will always have at least 3 OOC games slots to fill up and playing in Okie or Texas can only help recruiting
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Guys, you need to understand that the AD will NOT reach out to big schools for home games because that is NOT his philosophy. He does not want to spend the money and also risk a loss. ALL games against the bigger teams will be away or SF games for the money. It's frustrating, but not much will change as long as JC is here. Just get used to the home games against FCS and small FBS schools.
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The money games will always be there, but if NIU football is not to become extinct and into the FCS level, you have GOT TO schedule quality teams at home, there is just no other way around it. Our fan base is decaying and declining despite the recent success and for almost the exclusive reason of an FCS schedule. Compher has failed and failed miserably in this regard. 2013 wont help either, the worst schedule I have ever seen at the FBS level.
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(02-27-2013 07:49 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Guys, you need to understand that the AD will NOT reach out to big schools for home games because that is NOT his philosophy. He does not want to spend the money and also risk a loss. ALL games against the bigger teams will be away or SF games for the money. It's frustrating, but not much will change as long as JC is here. Just get used to the home games against FCS and small FBS schools.

Ok, if he doesn't want to schedule AQ schools at home; there are other programs the Huskies could schedule that would draw casual fans and grow attendance.

1) BYU- an indy, you would think they would be interested in a series with an up and coming program especially one that plays in the nation's 3rd largest market and there are a good number of Mormons in metro Chicago

2) Boise State

3) Navy- Great Lakes Naval Base is the 2nd or 3rd largest in the continental US
4) Army

Schedule those 4 programs either all 4 in a year or each of 2 every other year and you will see a bump in attendance.
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The problem still goes back to Phillips, he had success moving on, and it created a template for sorts that Compher is trying to follow. That is great, but the only problem is what is good for the individual does not gel with what is good for the athletic program and university. Let's be honest, an untrained chimp could set up Soldier Field games and schedule away Big 10 games. While providing some short-lived monetary relief, these games are empty calories for growth. It amazes me the AD does not realize and/or not care about this, but it is extremely frustrating as a Huskie fan.
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(02-27-2013 11:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The problem still goes back to Phillips, he had success moving on, and it created a template for sorts that Compher is trying to follow. That is great, but the only problem is what is good for the individual does not gel with what is good for the athletic program and university. Let's be honest, an untrained chimp could set up Soldier Field games and schedule away Big 10 games. While providing some short-lived monetary relief, these games are empty calories for growth. It amazes me the AD does not realize and/or not care about this, but it is extremely frustrating as a Huskie fan.

Correct me if wrong though that despite whatever shortcomings he may have been perceived to have had, at least Phillips got Maryland, Wake Forest and Iowa State to come to DeKalb for a game
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(02-28-2013 12:10 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The problem still goes back to Phillips, he had success moving on, and it created a template for sorts that Compher is trying to follow. That is great, but the only problem is what is good for the individual does not gel with what is good for the athletic program and university. Let's be honest, an untrained chimp could set up Soldier Field games and schedule away Big 10 games. While providing some short-lived monetary relief, these games are empty calories for growth. It amazes me the AD does not realize and/or not care about this, but it is extremely frustrating as a Huskie fan.

Correct me if wrong though that despite whatever shortcomings he may have been perceived to have had, at least Phillips got Maryland, Wake Forest and Iowa State to come to DeKalb for a game

All of those accomplishments belong to the previous AD Cary Groth. Scheduling went downhill when Phillips took over. Its no coincidence that is when attendance took a nosedive.
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(02-27-2013 11:23 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 07:49 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Guys, you need to understand that the AD will NOT reach out to big schools for home games because that is NOT his philosophy. He does not want to spend the money and also risk a loss. ALL games against the bigger teams will be away or SF games for the money. It's frustrating, but not much will change as long as JC is here. Just get used to the home games against FCS and small FBS schools.

Ok, if he doesn't want to schedule AQ schools at home; there are other programs the Huskies could schedule that would draw casual fans and grow attendance.

1) BYU- an indy, you would think they would be interested in a series with an up and coming program especially one that plays in the nation's 3rd largest market and there are a good number of Mormons in metro Chicago

2) Boise State

3) Navy- Great Lakes Naval Base is the 2nd or 3rd largest in the continental US
4) Army

Schedule those 4 programs either all 4 in a year or each of 2 every other year and you will see a bump in attendance.

The problem is that we could easily lose to those teams. Compher wants wins unless we get paid well to lose. Get used to the patsy OOC home games.
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(02-27-2013 07:24 PM)HappyHuskie Wrote:  What other schools has our AD worked at, and has he reached out to any to any of them for possible games?
He was at Washington, did he leave in good standing or did he burn bridges?

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He NEVER seemed like a guy that would burn any bridge.
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(02-28-2013 01:21 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 12:10 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(02-27-2013 11:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The problem still goes back to Phillips, he had success moving on, and it created a template for sorts that Compher is trying to follow. That is great, but the only problem is what is good for the individual does not gel with what is good for the athletic program and university. Let's be honest, an untrained chimp could set up Soldier Field games and schedule away Big 10 games. While providing some short-lived monetary relief, these games are empty calories for growth. It amazes me the AD does not realize and/or not care about this, but it is extremely frustrating as a Huskie fan.

Correct me if wrong though that despite whatever shortcomings he may have been perceived to have had, at least Phillips got Maryland, Wake Forest and Iowa State to come to DeKalb for a game

All of those accomplishments belong to the previous AD Cary Groth. Scheduling went downhill when Phillips took over. Its no coincidence that is when attendance took a nosedive.

jim phillips had short comings? are you crazy, thias is a guy who could have any AD job in the country. many of you are too young to realize how bad it was getting an AD at NIU. Cary got the job by default and did a decent job and had the good sense to move on when she felt she hit the ceiling. Phillips put us in a position where this is a very good AD job.
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Cary Groth was an excellent AD. She had the brains to stick with Joe when the program was at its lowest point. She was also an excellent people person who enjoyed connecting with the fans. I'll never forget her at the basketball games at Evans shaking the fans' hands as they left the game and thanking them for coming.
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