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ESPN article - Memphis mention (you wont like it)
Myron Medcalf

THE RUNDOWN

Numbers to consider


Memphis: The Tigers are riding an 18-game winning streak, tied with Akron as the nation's longest active winning streak. Josh Pastner's program possesses the athleticism to run with any team in the country (38th in adjusted tempo per Pomeroy). The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.
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RE: ESPN article - Memphis mention ( you wont like it)
Fair enough...our kids do turn it over a good amount.

However, that is natural with the style of play...
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(02-25-2013 01:59 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Myron Medcalf

THE RUNDOWN

Numbers to consider


Memphis: The Tigers are riding an 18-game winning streak, tied with Akron as the nation's longest active winning streak. Josh Pastner's program possesses the athleticism to run with any team in the country (38th in adjusted tempo per Pomeroy). The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.

Very fair criticism...

Nothing not to like, just facts...I really don't see any negative opinions
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RE: ESPN article - Memphis mention ( you wont like it)
yeah, I don't like it... but it's fair. It's the facts that I don't like.
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(02-25-2013 02:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:59 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Myron Medcalf

THE RUNDOWN

Numbers to consider


Memphis: The Tigers are riding an 18-game winning streak, tied with Akron as the nation's longest active winning streak. Josh Pastner's program possesses the athleticism to run with any team in the country (38th in adjusted tempo per Pomeroy). The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.

Very fair criticism...

Nothing not to like, just facts...I really don't see any negative opinions

You can dislike something that is true. 04-cheers
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Facts are true. Sometimes I worry about the turnovers, but usually those happen when we are ahead by a lot and just trying to many crazy plays. I like to take the Memphis vs Southern Miss game, in Hattiesburg, as an example. That was a road game, against a good opponent and we turned it over only 10 times. And if you guys remember watching that one play out, we played exceptional ball - especially with the ball movement, etc.

Turnovers do suck though.
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When we hit the stretch, we will tighten it up.
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Against Southern Miss we only had 11 to's the first game and 13 the second game. Southern Miss averages 18 for the year. I always look at how many turnovers that we commit vs. how many steals that the other team got. That can give some indication of how many unforced turnovers that we committed. If you look at the So Miss game we had 13 turnovers and they had 7 steals. Usually the ratio is somewhere around half of the steals are turnovers. Anything beyond that is usually unforced turnovers. If you look at the Houston game we had 19 turnovers but Houston only had 6 steals. Just some poor decision making.

The worst thing that we do but we have gotten better with is turning the other team over and then committing an immediate turnover trying to force a fast break.

We have really gotten better at not committing as many offensive fouls which are turnovers.
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(02-25-2013 01:59 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Myron Medcalf

THE RUNDOWN

Numbers to consider


Memphis: The Tigers are riding an 18-game winning streak, tied with Akron as the nation's longest active winning streak. Josh Pastner's program possesses the athleticism to run with any team in the country (38th in adjusted tempo per Pomeroy). The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.

Just curious... Why would people dislike a fair criticism?

Is there a problem with people on this message board thinking anything that isn't praise is a flame job?
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We are averaging 14.85 tpg, would love to see that number around 11 or 12. However we are 16th in the country for steals per game at just over 9, and at least have forced more turnovers (428) than we have turnovers for ourselves (401).
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(02-25-2013 02:27 PM)mairving Wrote:  Anything beyond that is usually unforced turnovers. If you look at the Houston game we had 19 turnovers but Houston only had 6 steals.

Against Houston, we had several offensive fouls (moving picks, etc.). The officials were calling it a lot on both ends. Those ended up being included in the turnover total.

Then again, we had 2 or 3 silly TO's at the end of the game where we did not take care of the ball.

I think that except for that Houston game, our team has improved at taking care of the ball.
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(02-25-2013 02:33 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  We are averaging 14.85 tpg, would love to see that number around 11 or 12. However we are 16th in the country for steals per game at just over 9, and at least have forced more turnovers (428) than we have turnovers for ourselves (401).

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(02-25-2013 02:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:59 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Myron Medcalf

THE RUNDOWN

Numbers to consider


Memphis: The Tigers are riding an 18-game winning streak, tied with Akron as the nation's longest active winning streak. Josh Pastner's program possesses the athleticism to run with any team in the country (38th in adjusted tempo per Pomeroy). The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.

Just curious... Why would people dislike a fair criticism?

Is there a problem with people on this message board thinking anything that isn't praise is a flame job?

Nothing wrong with it. I worry about turnovers as well. Probably shouldn't have added that in parenthesis. It's fair, it's true, and I just thought it was interesting since no one in the media has really mentioned it. You usually hear the same, tired, cusa sucks, we don't have any quality wins, etc. This is a legitimate concern though, but I think we will be fine.
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(02-25-2013 01:59 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Myron Medcalf
The Tigers are clearly the class of Conference USA. But their turnover issues could be their downfall once March Madness begins. They've committed turnovers on 21.3 percent of their possession, 240th in the country. Remember that when you pick Memphis to make a run in the Big Dance.

In some games, turnovers are an issue. In other games, not so much. It balances out usually.

Out of 300-some-odd D1 schools, we are 240th? I'll take that.
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Season averages can be misleading as they don't reflect improvement, but the statement was fair and accurate.
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Turnovers (especially unforced turnovers) are a problem.

It can easily be argued that turnovers cost the Tigers the three games they lost this season:

vs. VCU: 22 turnovers

vs. Minnesota: 16 turnovers

Louisville: 24 turnovers
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Pointing out our turnover rate is fine. Implying that one stat will keep us from making a deep tourney run is dumb.
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(02-25-2013 02:56 PM)ballen Wrote:  Season averages can be misleading as they don't reflect improvement, but the statement was fair and accurate.

We had 19 just two games ago against Houston. Many of those were unforced (throwing them out of bounds under no pressure). This team, when focused, takes pretty good care of the ball. I hope they will be focused and playing at a high level in the Dance.
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(02-25-2013 03:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Pointing out our turnover rate is fine. Implying that one stat will keep us from making a deep tourney run is dumb.

This is pretty much what I was getting at.
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