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RE: Xavier-Memphis game from the Xavier perspective
(02-25-2013 02:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:11 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 11:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Actually, no one corrected me.

I think some see "role player" as some pejorative term (ie "srub") because there is a hypersensitivity on this board about people being negative on Memphis.

By definition, he IS a role player. His job is to bring energy, block shots and rebound.

He only averages 2.9 made fg's a game, the vast majority of which are putbacks or dunks. Nothing wrong with that at all (dunks trump 10 footers) but Memphis doesn't depend on his scoring...any points he brings is gravy.

There are a lot of "role players" in sports and it isn't a bad thing.

(02-25-2013 12:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Starter minutes, starter production; doesn't come off the bench in short spurts to do a specific job.

Score
Rebound
Play defense

(02-25-2013 11:30 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  He only averages 2.9 made fg's a game

(02-25-2013 12:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There you go again; intentionally leaving out important facts to mislead people.

Didn't "leave out" anything. The majority of posters on this thread understand DJ is a role player and that it IS NOT a bad thing.

His job is to play defense and bring energy.

(02-25-2013 12:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Over the last 17 games he is 5th on the team in scoring, 4th in minutes played, 1st in rebounding, 1st in blocks, 6th in free throw attempts (and closing on Geron Johnson), and 6th in 3 point attempts (actually 5th now that AB is out).

Talk about cherry picking numbers. 17? Why not 20 or 10. Was it because the 18th game was one where he only had 3 points and two rebounds?

Silly.

Again, I noted the rebounding and blocks. That is a given and his job on this team.

You quote scoring, 3pt attempts and ft attempts...where he is either 5th or 6th on the team. Umm..that means (as a starter) he is relied LEAST for those outputs.

6th in 3 pointers? Umm...he has made THREE in the last 17 games. He's taken 11--far less than one a game. Comes out to 27.3%. OBVIOUSLY the team doesn't rely on his 3pt production.

He's taken 33 FT in the last 17 games--less than 2 ft a game. You cite that as some big "non-role player" number. Pfft. Even if you really want to cherry pick the last seven games, he only averages 3 ft a game (and 0.43 3pt attempts a game).

(02-25-2013 12:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There is a point where a player does so many things, that they cease to be a role player. The only thing DJ doesn't do "well" is attempt to shoot the basketball. He is averaging 4.5 attempts the last 17 games; which isn't a lot, but it isn't exactly Hall/Hipp production.

My point. He averages 3.2 fg makes a game, generally two of those will be alley opps/dunks and one is a putback. The team doesn't rely on him to post up or face up and score.

Your point is that anyone who doesn't shoot a lot is a role player. That is false.

I think his point is that DJ will not be effective without his teammates...

DJ fills a important role that helps the team...But he pretty much doesn't do much offensively on his own.

But either way both of you have opinions of what role players are...And they are just that OPINIONS

He defers to others, but he certainly isn't one dimensional like 99% of the role players out there.
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(02-25-2013 02:40 PM)Tiger2Ways Wrote:  Jordans job was to score = role player

Jordan wasn't a big rebounder or assist guy, and rarely shot 3's, so yes, he was a role player.
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#2 Antonio Barton - 6'2 junior SG: Volume shooter averages 6.2 points per game, but is inconsistent in his production.

Hes gonna be real consistent this time. 0'fer. Didnt know he had a broken foot. 03-lol
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Dwayne Wade only shoots 1.08 three pointers per game. He is a role player.
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(02-25-2013 02:43 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This thread's hilarious. 57 posts and 50 of them are arguing about the definition of a role player.

It'a a discussion board, we're discussing 04-chairshot

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(02-25-2013 03:17 PM)Reekinhavoc Wrote:  #2 Antonio Barton - 6'2 junior SG: Volume shooter averages 6.2 points per game, but is inconsistent in his production.

Hes gonna be real consistent this time. 0'fer. Didnt know he had a broken foot. 03-lol

Yea, real funny.
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(02-25-2013 02:47 PM)MrMemphis Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:43 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This thread's hilarious. 57 posts and 50 of them are arguing about the definition of a role player.

And the spelling

Spelling was fine, it was the wrong word.
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(02-25-2013 09:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
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Quote:#30 D.J. Stephens - 6'5 senior SF: Role player averages 6.9 points and 6.8 rebounds per game.

Yep, no big deal. Just a role player....don't pay any attention or worry about DJ.

Umm...DJ is precisely what a role player is.

DJ's "role" is to rebound and block shots. He isn't asked to take over a game on the offensive side or to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

You folks get so sensitive about words.

Crawford is now a role player...it doesn't mean he sucks, it means his job is to come off the bench, hit 3's and play good defense.

I am not arguing with you. I hope they sleep on DJ.

I don't think they will sleep on DJ after watching the dunk of the year over and over and over....
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(02-25-2013 09:18 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Check out the link below. Nice write-up.

Overall: This late into the conference season it's rare to play a non-conference game of this magnitude. Looking at that, this game really isn't as important to Xavier's season in the long run; however, this is another great opportunity to earn an RPI boosting win, against a quality opponent at home. After a season full of some disappointing home losses, the last thing that the Musketeers want to do is to allow another team to walk into their building and win the game. Memphis has more size, athleticism, depth and talent than Xavier, but the Musketeers proved that for periods of time they can play with anyone in the country. Will they be able to put it all together and win a big one? Some of that will be determined by if sophomore guard Dee Davis is able to play, as his health is still questionable from a hit to the head against VCU, but if Xavier has their confidence then they'll have a shot here; but ultimately, it's difficult to bet against Memphis.

See entire article:

http://xavier.rivals.com/barrier_noentry...&mid=&rid=

The writer is insane.
Last season...Southern Miss got into the NCAA tournament...because they managed to beat Memphis. IF Xavier could pull this off....it would be one of their quality wins...it would give them a really good win against a team in the top 25...and a team with a good RPI.
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(02-25-2013 03:25 PM)cwise Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:47 PM)MrMemphis Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:43 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This thread's hilarious. 57 posts and 50 of them are arguing about the definition of a role player.

And the spelling

Spelling was fine, it was the wrong word.

Yup.
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(02-25-2013 04:06 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:18 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Check out the link below. Nice write-up.

Overall: This late into the conference season it's rare to play a non-conference game of this magnitude. Looking at that, this game really isn't as important to Xavier's season in the long run; however, this is another great opportunity to earn an RPI boosting win, against a quality opponent at home. After a season full of some disappointing home losses, the last thing that the Musketeers want to do is to allow another team to walk into their building and win the game. Memphis has more size, athleticism, depth and talent than Xavier, but the Musketeers proved that for periods of time they can play with anyone in the country. Will they be able to put it all together and win a big one? Some of that will be determined by if sophomore guard Dee Davis is able to play, as his health is still questionable from a hit to the head against VCU, but if Xavier has their confidence then they'll have a shot here; but ultimately, it's difficult to bet against Memphis.

See entire article:

http://xavier.rivals.com/barrier_noentry...&mid=&rid=

The writer is insane.
Last season...Southern Miss got into the NCAA tournament...because they managed to beat Memphis. IF Xavier could pull this off....it would be one of their quality wins...it would give them a really good win against a team in the top 25...and a team with a good RPI.

I think he's implying that it's conference tourney win for them or bust.
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(02-25-2013 04:19 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 03:25 PM)cwise Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:47 PM)MrMemphis Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:43 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This thread's hilarious. 57 posts and 50 of them are arguing about the definition of a role player.

And the spelling

Spelling was fine, it was the wrong word.

Yup.
True. Now I have another post!
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If we had not switched boards several years ago I would have over a thousand.
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(02-25-2013 09:34 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:29 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
Quote:#30 D.J. Stephens - 6'5 senior SF: Role player averages 6.9 points and 6.8 rebounds per game.

Yep, no big deal. Just a role player....don't pay any attention or worry about DJ.

I thought to myself that if this is their scouting report on DJ, boy are they going to be surprised.

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(02-25-2013 10:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(02-25-2013 09:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
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(02-25-2013 09:29 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  Yep, no big deal. Just a role player....don't pay any attention or worry about DJ.

Umm...DJ is precisely what a role player is.

DJ's "role" is to rebound and block shots. He isn't asked to take over a game on the offensive side or to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

You folks get so sensitive about words.

Crawford is now a role player...it doesn't mean he sucks, it means his job is to come off the bench, hit 3's and play good defense.

I am not arguing with you. I hope they sleep on DJ.

you're forgetting that saluki knows everything and no one else knows anything. It's his world and we all live in it.


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aww...willie is all upsetz.

do you have anything substantive to offer regarding my previous post?

do you not think dj is a role player? instead of taking immature swipes, why not engage in a conversation, or is your shtick this whole pithy comment/board comedian role?

If DJ is a role player, than the entire team are role players.

I guess Kevin Durant is a role player. All he does is score.
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(02-25-2013 09:20 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:06 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Umm...DJ is precisely what a role player is.

DJ's "role" is to rebound and block shots. He isn't asked to take over a game on the offensive side or to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

You folks get so sensitive about words.

Crawford is now a role player...it doesn't mean he sucks, it means his job is to come off the bench, hit 3's and play good defense.

I am not arguing with you. I hope they sleep on DJ.

you're forgetting that saluki knows everything and no one else knows anything. It's his world and we all live in it.


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aww...willie is all upsetz.

do you have anything substantive to offer regarding my previous post?

do you not think dj is a role player? instead of taking immature swipes, why not engage in a conversation, or is your shtick this whole pithy comment/board comedian role?

If DJ is a role player, than the entire team are role players.

I guess Kevin Durant is a role player. All he does is score.

Thank you!

DJ isn’t a role player, he’s a starting team player. None of our players are the typical role player put in to achieve a specific task. Every one in our rotation can do many things well not just a targeted one.

The way I see it we have no role players only team players that have evolved and learned what it takes to win consistently. And the TEAM is having fun making it come together.

Me too. You too to.
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(02-25-2013 09:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:20 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:06 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  I am not arguing with you. I hope they sleep on DJ.

you're forgetting that saluki knows everything and no one else knows anything. It's his world and we all live in it.


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aww...willie is all upsetz.

do you have anything substantive to offer regarding my previous post?

do you not think dj is a role player? instead of taking immature swipes, why not engage in a conversation, or is your shtick this whole pithy comment/board comedian role?

If DJ is a role player, than the entire team are role players.

I guess Kevin Durant is a role player. All he does is score.

Thank you!

DJ isn’t a role player, he’s a starting team player. None of our players are the typical role player put in to achieve a specific task. Every one in our rotation can do many things well not just a targeted one.

The way I see it we have no role players only team players that have evolved and learned what it takes to win consistently. And the TEAM is having fun making it come together.

Me too. You too to.

One could argue that DJ is the MVP of this team. They are not usually role players.
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Smith, in his CA article, mentions that Xavier is only one of four teams to make the Sweet 16 four times in the last five years.
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(02-25-2013 09:20 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 10:06 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 09:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Umm...DJ is precisely what a role player is.

DJ's "role" is to rebound and block shots. He isn't asked to take over a game on the offensive side or to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

You folks get so sensitive about words.

Crawford is now a role player...it doesn't mean he sucks, it means his job is to come off the bench, hit 3's and play good defense.

I am not arguing with you. I hope they sleep on DJ.

you're forgetting that saluki knows everything and no one else knows anything. It's his world and we all live in it.


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aww...willie is all upsetz.

do you have anything substantive to offer regarding my previous post?

do you not think dj is a role player? instead of taking immature swipes, why not engage in a conversation, or is your shtick this whole pithy comment/board comedian role?

If DJ is a role player, than the entire team are role players.

I guess Kevin Durant is a role player. All he does is score.

Kevin Durant...28 points, 4.5 assists, 7.7 rebounds a game...

DJ is very important to this team...But if you had to decide to double team off of one of the starters on this team...Who would you leave...My answer is DJ.

Defensively it is an entirely different story though...
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Know your role and everybody get your roll on.
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