(02-23-2013 08:36 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 08:22 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I would think the Big East would allow Navy to keep their contract for the army navy game without sharing the money for that game. Uness of course Army becomes a member of the conference as well. I would assume so long as the Big East will let them keep their army navy game payout they would still join. Gives them a much better opportunity and a variety of bowls plus makes scheduling much easier for them

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/...in-sports/

The Army-Navy game contract with CBS runs through 2018. This Forbes article from December expects CBS to pony up $10M/year to renew it, now that it has a specific date and an exclusive slot. This is definitely an obstacle that must be dealt with for Navy to join. Let's see how the details of the TV deal work out and how this part of the negotiation can be worked out before casting judgement as to whether Navy will join or not.

Thats totally reasonable--but if you are realistic--we are dealing with 2 million a team in income here. Theres just not alot we have to offer. The Army Navy game is just one aspect of thier media income. Navy has 6 other home games under contract to CBS. CBS can bump Navys current contract to 5 million (for the other games) and keep them pretty easily. We are in a knife fight with a plastic spork.

. . . epic fail . . .

(02-23-2013 08:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 08:36 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 08:22 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I would think the Big East would allow Navy to keep their contract for the army navy game without sharing the money for that game. Uness of course Army becomes a member of the conference as well. I would assume so long as the Big East will let them keep their army navy game payout they would still join. Gives them a much better opportunity and a variety of bowls plus makes scheduling much easier for them

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/...in-sports/

The Army-Navy game contract with CBS runs through 2018. This Forbes article from December expects CBS to pony up $10M/year to renew it, now that it has a specific date and an exclusive slot. This is definitely an obstacle that must be dealt with for Navy to join. Let's see how the details of the TV deal work out and how this part of the negotiation can be worked out before casting judgement as to whether Navy will join or not.

Thats totally reasonable--but if you are realistic--we are dealing with 2 million a team in inome here. Theres just not alot we have to offer. The Army Navy game is just one aspect of thier media income. They have 6 other home games under contract to CBS. CBS can bump Navys current contract to 5 million (for the other games) and keep them pretty easily. We are in a knife fight with a plastic spork.

I tell you now, if the Army-Navy game had conference ramifications to it, I would watch the sh!t out of it.

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

It's $10M for basketball only in 2013-14 with everybody here. Starting in 2014 for football, then it's $20M a year + $2-4M from CBS, for 6 years, so the numbers are higher than you figured for the nBE.

(02-23-2013 11:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

It's $10M for basketball only in 2013-14 with everybody here. Starting in 2014 for football, then it's $20M a year + $2-4M from CBS, for 6 years, so the numbers are higher than you figured for the nBE.

I am not off by more than $300,000 at the most.

Wilkie, it's $500K off if CBS goes $4M, which could be 15-20% higher than you said. But the point is, why do you even care? You're shaving the numbers to make it even worse, and just plain trolling now. Go away.

Loserville ttoll

Short 7 year deal. We want more $$ we need to get it done on the field and on the court. The markets are there. The contract comes up again lets see where it is. We got to prove it. Which I have faith we all will.

(02-23-2013 11:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wilkie, it's $500K off if CBS goes $4M, which could be 15-20% higher than you said. But the point is, why do you even care? You're shaving the numbers to make it even worse, and just plain trolling now. Go away.

Well, I am happy for you if its $500,000 more.

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

Me too. plus the 2 to 3 mil per year from cbs. whic would be 200 to 300k more.

(02-24-2013 12:17 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

Me too. plus the 2 to 3 mil per year from cbs. whic would be 200 to 300k more.

It's actually 120 million over six years which comes to $20 million a year which comes to $2 million per school in a ten team league. Previously the football and basketball contracts were signed separately and the basketball contract was up this year. The football contract has one more year. This is Essentially two contracts not one. It's a six-year $120 million football and basketball contract starting with the 2014/2015 season. And a one year 10 million dollar basketball contract for the 2013 2014 season

(02-23-2013 07:46 PM)blue68 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:58 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:51 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

Don't forget the extra 2 million from CBS for BB

That woul be $2 million per school in a 10 team conference. I would not go to 12 teams for less money. This is the 10 teams in my best estimate:

UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston.

Those ten teams aren't worth ten cents to watch.

That's eight more than your two.

So Baylor who is the craps in the Big 12 makes more then entire Big East? what a joke.

(02-23-2013 07:46 PM)blue68 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:58 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:51 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  $130 million for 7 years = $18.6 million per year for botn football and basketball.

10 Team Conference per school: $ 1.86 million

12 Team Conference per school: $1.55 million

This how I read it.

Don't forget the extra 2 million from CBS for BB

That woul be $2 million per school in a 10 team conference. I would not go to 12 teams for less money. This is the 10 teams in my best estimate:

UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston.

Those ten teams aren't worth ten cents to watch.

wow you come up with all that by yourself? we appreciate you stopping by and providing us with such in depth analysis and opinion. Bravo sir.

(02-23-2013 11:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wilkie, it's $500K off if CBS goes $4M, which could be 15-20% higher than you said. But the point is, why do you even care? You're shaving the numbers to make it even worse, and just plain trolling now. Go away.

Does anyone else remember the days when Wilkie, along with ArmyMike, were by far the best Louisville posters. Yea, those days are gone. WIlkie's account must've been hacked by an ******* 18 months back.

Good Navy discussion. Let me add another aspect.

Right now Army/Navy get the money they get from CBS partly because they have an exclusive date they are allowed to play on. The only game of the day, the week after all CCG's.

Someone posted a month or two ago that when the game has been forced to go against other games (like Thanksgiving weekend) or CCG's; it has not done all that well ratings wise. Not terrible, but certainly not good enough to demand that type of payment for one game.

So I agree that to get Navy to join you'd need to let them keep the Army/Navy game out of the BE TV contract. But you'd also need to let them continue to play the game after the BE CCG. How that would affect the CCG would have to be looked into and debated. 99% of the time it probably wouldn't, but that 1% could be an issue.

(02-24-2013 09:03 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wilkie, it's $500K off if CBS goes $4M, which could be 15-20% higher than you said. But the point is, why do you even care? You're shaving the numbers to make it even worse, and just plain trolling now. Go away.

Does anyone else remember the days when Wilkie, along with ArmyMike, were by far the best Louisville posters. Yea, those days are gone. WIlkie's account must've been hacked by an ******* 18 months back.

In the end though he's just a Loserville fan, and their trashy attitudes and mentality that they are above everyone they have ever shared a league with will always come out.

(02-24-2013 09:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 09:03 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wilkie, it's $500K off if CBS goes $4M, which could be 15-20% higher than you said. But the point is, why do you even care? You're shaving the numbers to make it even worse, and just plain trolling now. Go away.

Does anyone else remember the days when Wilkie, along with ArmyMike, were by far the best Louisville posters. Yea, those days are gone. WIlkie's account must've been hacked by an ******* 18 months back.

In the end though he's just a Loserville fan, and their trashy attitudes and mentality that they are above everyone they have ever shared a league with will always come out.

mmmmm, ok

(02-24-2013 09:16 AM)The Eye Wrote:  Good Navy discussion. Let me add another aspect.

Right now Army/Navy get the money they get from CBS partly because they have an exclusive date they are allowed to play on. The only game of the day, the week after all CCG's.

Someone posted a month or two ago that when the game has been forced to go against other games (like Thanksgiving weekend) or CCG's; it has not done all that well ratings wise. Not terrible, but certainly not good enough to demand that type of payment for one game.

So I agree that to get Navy to join you'd need to let them keep the Army/Navy game out of the BE TV contract. But you'd also need to let them continue to play the game after the BE CCG. How that would affect the CCG would have to be looked into and debated. 99% of the time it probably wouldn't, but that 1% could be an issue.

You could go the other way and have the game played the weekend before Labor Day weekend to start the college football season. It would be the first college football game of the season each year

(02-23-2013 03:32 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote:  For all the folks whining and complianing about ESPN and midweek games, etc.
As one source at the Big East said on Saturday, “ESPN over matched the offer. The deal they offered in terms of exposure is better than the deal we have now in football. It was more than fair.”

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5299

Another Navy issue. One of the conditions of Navy agree to join the Big East was that it would not be forced to play midweek home games.