USTA, UNT and Charlotte will bring far more dollars to CUSA than schools like Tulane brought to the BE. Not even close.

(02-23-2013 07:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  While the money isn't great it is $1 million more than before. Then we have more tourney caliber teams. Then we will have better bowls. Then teams like ucf get a guaranteed sellout against USF. Probably looking at 3 million extra in revenue once you look at the whole package

Horse crap. cincy is 10 rpi spots below us right now. U conn cant go because of rpi penalties. Southern miss beat so florida 2 straight years in hoops.

The reason your school is doing this is because its the only way to get away from a team it cant beat in a normal year on the football field. That was made plain when the story broke about how ucf helped Tulane get in.

Its been well documented how the be bowls are being targeted by the bigger leagues. In reality you wont get a dollar more than the chump change difference in tv contract.

I hope all of you heading to the BUBE like playing Tue, Wends, Thurs. games. Because thats where ESPN will be showcasing your big games at. One or two of you may get a Sat game on ESPNU. The rest will be relegated to ESPN3 or a reg. ESPN+ game.

I would say each of you will be playing at least 4 T,W,T games.

(02-23-2013 07:20 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 07:17 PM)GoGold Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:05 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:55 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Just stop posting. You're feed usmtrollbacker. NBE is making more money (albeit less than hoped) so /endthread

This is what helped more than anyone will admit kill the BE. When the tv networks saw a school that can't put 6000 fans in the seats, is it any surprise they got the tv contract they got and is it any suprise that as soon as Tulane was announced the C7 said forget it, we are the hell out of here. Well, Tulane is the BE's deadweight now. Thank goodness for that.

So the schools voted Tulane in and then suddenly bolted because of it. RIGHT. Tulane was a scapegoat. Quit trolling my God you're getting pathetic.

That is exactly what happened. But as a Tulane fan you would be the expert on pathetic. Really...STFU.

Toolame is now the BE's pathetic problem. Thank you BE. We are forever grateful.

The Tulane story gets funnier by the day. We are now on the umpteenth effort to revitalize the athletic program. All with the same results, Smoke and mirrors.
An institution with a great reputation for academics who in reality started what we consider a jr college on its campus (Tulane university college) to put its athletes in.
I guess thank goodness for ucf huh, they can beat you every year so they got u in

(02-25-2013 11:37 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  USTA, UNT and Charlotte will bring far more dollars to CUSA than schools like Tulane brought to the BE. Not even close.

Of course you are completely wrong about that and you know you are. And that's what just ignites that gigantic chip on your shoulder.

(02-26-2013 12:12 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 11:37 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  USTA, UNT and Charlotte will bring far more dollars to CUSA than schools like Tulane brought to the BE. Not even close.

Of course you are completely wrong about that and you know you are. And that's what just ignites that gigantic chip on your shoulder.

I am completely correct and you know it. Do you know how many people USTA put in the stands last year for football games? They averaged 29,226. They haven't even played a full FBS schedule yet. Tulane has been playing football forever and they can't average 6,000.
So which school is going to bring the most value to their new league. Spin it, I can't wait to read it.

(02-26-2013 12:04 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I hope all of you heading to the BUBE like playing Tue, Wends, Thurs. games. Because thats where ESPN will be showcasing your big games at. One or two of you may get a Sat game on ESPNU. The rest will be relegated to ESPN3 or a reg. ESPN+ game.

I would say each of you will be playing at least 4 T,W,T games.

You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

(02-26-2013 02:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:04 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  I hope all of you heading to the BUBE like playing Tue, Wends, Thurs. games. Because thats where ESPN will be showcasing your big games at. One or two of you may get a Sat game on ESPNU. The rest will be relegated to ESPN3 or a reg. ESPN+ game.

I would say each of you will be playing at least 4 T,W,T games.

You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

I think his point is that espn also has rights to the SEC, and given their fetish for that conference, and given that espn has done nothing but screw you guys since this spectacle started, I wouldn't expect you to get too many prime broadcast slots. that's just not the way this thing has played. you were probably better off with nbc sports. they would have featured your conference. with espn, you're filler.

after this story is completely written, it's going to turn out that espn was the prime malefactor in this shameful, rancid little clusterhump.

(02-26-2013 12:52 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:12 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 11:37 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  USTA, UNT and Charlotte will bring far more dollars to CUSA than schools like Tulane brought to the BE. Not even close.

Of course you are completely wrong about that and you know you are. And that's what just ignites that gigantic chip on your shoulder.

I am completely correct and you know it. Do you know how many people USTA put in the stands last year for football games? They averaged 29,226. They haven't even played a full FBS schedule yet. Tulane has been playing football forever and they can't average 6,000.
So which school is going to bring the most value to their new league. Spin it, I can't wait to read it.

I'm not spinning anything, just trying to figure out what the deal is with UTSA's budget, attendance, and ticket income. I'm not accusing anyone of fudging numbers, but there are just some things that don't add up and I'm sure that there is a mostly reasonable explanation.

In 2010 UTSA average 35K per game and here's the reference....(just couldn't easily find the ncaa specific records for 2010)
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/22...adrunners/

Quote:2011 SEASON IN REVIEW:
...
Certainly the squad had some growing pains last year as it played as an Independent in the Football Championship Subdivision before making the transition to the Football Bowl Subdivision. At the same time, the school bought the hype by setting NCAA records for a startup program with an attendance of 56,743 in the season opener and an average of 35,521 per game.

However, ticket revenue for the UTSA athletic program for 2010 was $168K and for 2011 was $79K. That's not football ticket revenue, but ticket revenue for the entire athletic program, including basketball, etc.
Here's the reference....

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...54955804/1

I'm not saying "Lucy, you've got some splanin to do", because it's not really any of our business how UTSA reports their attendance or budget, but those numbers just don't add up or make any sense at all.

Look, I like a lot of the teams in CUSA. And by like, I mean respect.

If they ae keeping score and there might be a pulling guard, I'll watch it. I don't think a team has to be in the SEC to be worthy of watching. That said, I don't get the venom about weeknight games. CUSA fans seem to make fun of the fact that their is potential storm NBE schools will play during the week.

Isn't that better than not being on TV? How many NCUSA games will be on TV? ( NOT a slam a serious question. )

(02-26-2013 12:06 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 07:20 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 07:17 PM)GoGold Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 03:05 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:55 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  This is what helped more than anyone will admit kill the BE. When the tv networks saw a school that can't put 6000 fans in the seats, is it any surprise they got the tv contract they got and is it any suprise that as soon as Tulane was announced the C7 said forget it, we are the hell out of here. Well, Tulane is the BE's deadweight now. Thank goodness for that.

So the schools voted Tulane in and then suddenly bolted because of it. RIGHT. Tulane was a scapegoat. Quit trolling my God you're getting pathetic.

That is exactly what happened. But as a Tulane fan you would be the expert on pathetic. Really...STFU.

Toolame is now the BE's pathetic problem. Thank you BE. We are forever grateful.

The Tulane story gets funnier by the day. We are now on the umpteenth effort to revitalize the athletic program. All with the same results, Smoke and mirrors.
An institution with a great reputation for academics who in reality started what we consider a jr college on its campus (Tulane university college) to put its athletes in.
I guess thank goodness for ucf huh, they can beat you every year so they got u in

Tulane in 2020...."We are still dealing with the after effects of Katrina. We can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. We really expect to average 10,000 at our new on campus stadium this season."

(02-26-2013 12:50 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  Look, I like a lot of the teams in CUSA. And by like, I mean respect.

If they ae keeping score and there might be a pulling guard, I'll watch it. I don't think a team has to be in the SEC to be worthy of watching. That said, I don't get the venom about weeknight games. CUSA fans seem to make fun of the fact that their is potential storm NBE schools will play during the week.

Isn't that better than not being on TV? How many NCUSA games will be on TV? ( NOT a slam a serious question. )

Do you notice the haters are the schools not going to NBE. My reply to those haters........do not worry about ECU, Tulane, and other schools going to NBE.........NCusa will have it own problems with schools who have never played football or at a lower divisions as well as small ticket sales or small seating facilities. (Opinion) My advise to all other teams except Tulsa and USM ( next two to NBE) is to improve your play on field and win a championship so some other conference may accept you, too:) If you think the NBE contract of 2x of Cusa is bad just wait until Cusa new contract with its newies. The old contract was based on 8 schools that are going tp NBE so can you say mac or sunbelt monies (Opinion).

(02-26-2013 02:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

ESPN doesn't see the BUBE any higher than the MAC or Sun Belt now. Sure you get more money than what the other two conferences have, but you are still one of ESPNs red headed step children. When Marshall was in the MAC we played at least 5-7 games on ESPN a year. Usually on Tue or Thurs. and ever now and then we got a Friday game.

It was fun being on TV if you lived close. But those fans who would travel 500-700 miles to watch a game and make a weekend out of it was cut out. And it cut the students coming to the game too. For those students that had class early the next morning didn't come to the games. And well if it was mid-term it was even worse.

I was exaggerating a litte when I said each would get 4 games during the week. But I can say with certianty that 2-3 of you will. Just like when we were in the MAC it was usually Marshall, Toledo and Miami OH. They will take what they think are the "HOT Teams" and put them on during the week. The rest will get ESPN3 or regional ESPN+.

(02-26-2013 02:25 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

ESPN doesn't see the BUBE any higher than the MAC or Sun Belt now. Sure you get more money than what the other two conferences have, but you are still one of ESPNs red headed step children. When Marshall was in the MAC we played at least 5-7 games on ESPN a year. Usually on Tue or Thurs. and ever now and then we got a Friday game.

It was fun being on TV if you lived close. But those fans who would travel 500-700 miles to watch a game and make a weekend out of it was cut out. And it cut the students coming to the game too. For those students that had class early the next morning didn't come to the games. And well if it was mid-term it was even worse.

I was exaggerating a litte when I said each would get 4 games during the week. But I can say with certianty that 2-3 of you will. Just like when we were in the MAC it was usually Marshall, Toledo and Miami OH. They will take what they think are the "HOT Teams" and put them on during the week. The rest will get ESPN3 or regional ESPN+.

I loved the MAC games on during the week.

Yes, I'm a football dork.

(02-26-2013 02:25 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

ESPN doesn't see the BUBE any higher than the MAC or Sun Belt now. Sure you get more money than what the other two conferences have, but you are still one of ESPNs red headed step children. When Marshall was in the MAC we played at least 5-7 games on ESPN a year. Usually on Tue or Thurs. and ever now and then we got a Friday game.

It was fun being on TV if you lived close. But those fans who would travel 500-700 miles to watch a game and make a weekend out of it was cut out. And it cut the students coming to the game too. For those students that had class early the next morning didn't come to the games. And well if it was mid-term it was even worse.

I was exaggerating a litte when I said each would get 4 games during the week. But I can say with certianty that 2-3 of you will. Just like when we were in the MAC it was usually Marshall, Toledo and Miami OH. They will take what they think are the "HOT Teams" and put them on during the week. The rest will get ESPN3 or regional ESPN+.

Like I said, based on what I know so far about the contract, Im pretty dissappointed in it. That said, if Arescos comments on the Tim Brando show are true (most every BE game will be televised nationally), then there will be at least one bright spot that takes the edge off an otherwise unimpressive end to the contract negotiations. And before you say it, I know they will not all be on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ABC---its being rumored that they will apparantly be sold off to other networks. The rumor is the new Fox Sports-1 and Fox Sports-2 networks are the likley destination for the games that ESPN doesnt televise. Hopefully, no ESPN-3. I wouldnt count that as "nationally televised". Hopefully Aresco doesnt either.

(02-26-2013 11:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hopefully, no ESPN-3.

I can almost bet you will see lots and lots of ESPN3 and ESPN+ games.

If FOX wants to try and compete with ESPN as has been said one of two things will happen, if not both. 1) ESPN will restrict where you can sell your other games or 2) FOX will not sign with anyone under contract to ESPN/ABC.

(02-26-2013 11:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:25 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You think each BE team will play 4 weeknight games? Just for reference--11 of the BE's 26 games that were on ESPN/ESPN-2/ESPN-U/ABC were on weeknights. Supposedly, the new agreement is better than the old agreement. Its hard to tell until the details are announced-and Im trying to be fair (truthfully, based on what I know, I think the new agreement is pretty dissappointing)--but I think Im relatively safe in saying each team will not be playing four weeknight games a year.

ESPN doesn't see the BUBE any higher than the MAC or Sun Belt now. Sure you get more money than what the other two conferences have, but you are still one of ESPNs red headed step children. When Marshall was in the MAC we played at least 5-7 games on ESPN a year. Usually on Tue or Thurs. and ever now and then we got a Friday game.

It was fun being on TV if you lived close. But those fans who would travel 500-700 miles to watch a game and make a weekend out of it was cut out. And it cut the students coming to the game too. For those students that had class early the next morning didn't come to the games. And well if it was mid-term it was even worse.

I was exaggerating a litte when I said each would get 4 games during the week. But I can say with certianty that 2-3 of you will. Just like when we were in the MAC it was usually Marshall, Toledo and Miami OH. They will take what they think are the "HOT Teams" and put them on during the week. The rest will get ESPN3 or regional ESPN+.

Like I said, based on what I know so far about the contract, Im pretty dissappointed in it. That said, if Arescos comments on the Tim Brando show are true (most every BE game will be televised nationally), then there will be at least one bright spot that takes the edge off an otherwise unimpressive end to the contract negotiations. And before you say it, I know they will not all be on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ABC---its being rumored that they will apparantly be sold off to other networks. The rumor is the new Fox Sports-1 and Fox Sports-2 networks are the likley destination for the games that ESPN doesnt televise. Hopefully, no ESPN-3. I wouldnt count that as "nationally televised". Hopefully Aresco doesnt either.

(02-26-2013 11:09 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hopefully, no ESPN-3.

I can almost bet you will see lots and lots of ESPN3 and ESPN+ games.

If FOX wants to try and compete with ESPN as has been said one of two things will happen, if not both. 1) ESPN will restrict where you can sell your other games or 2) FOX will not sign with anyone under contract to ESPN/ABC.

Maybe. Im going to wait and see what the details are before making a judgement on how good or bad the contract is. All I can say at this point is that money is dissappointing.

(02-26-2013 01:47 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:50 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  Look, I like a lot of the teams in CUSA. And by like, I mean respect.

If they ae keeping score and there might be a pulling guard, I'll watch it. I don't think a team has to be in the SEC to be worthy of watching. That said, I don't get the venom about weeknight games. CUSA fans seem to make fun of the fact that their is potential storm NBE schools will play during the week.

Isn't that better than not being on TV? How many NCUSA games will be on TV? ( NOT a slam a serious question. )

Do you notice the haters are the schools not going to NBE. My reply to those haters........do not worry about ECU, Tulane, and other schools going to NBE.........NCusa will have it own problems with schools who have never played football or at a lower divisions as well as small ticket sales or small seating facilities. (Opinion) My advise to all other teams except Tulsa and USM ( next two to NBE) is to improve your play on field and win a championship so some other conference may accept you, too:) If you think the NBE contract of 2x of Cusa is bad just wait until Cusa new contract with its newies. The old contract was based on 8 schools that are going tp NBE so can you say mac or sunbelt monies (Opinion).

This smells of complex.... From start to finish.
Please read the pinned thread.