(02-24-2013 11:33 AM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Many CUSA folks have no problem understanding that CUSA teams with a few old BE teams sprinkled in will get CUSA type money. But the same folks seem to think a conference made up largely of schools that are Sunbelt schools making 20k a year (or FCS schools with NO tv contract at all) are going to suddenly generate a raise for CUSA on the next contract. If the nBE is paid like it looks like it will be paid, CUSA is likely looking at a contract somewhere between it's current number and the Sunbelt number. The nBE contract is bad news for everyone outside the Big 5.

You see nCUSA posters saying nCUSA's media deal is going up? I haven't seen that, but maybe I don't read enough. Point me the right direction.

I will be happy to link you to a few nBE posters claiming numbers as high as 15 million to 20 million per school. Let's find those CUSA posters making claims like this and set them straight. I believe when we turned the lights on it was nBE fans in the circle jurk not the nCUSA fans.

CUSA fans have largely made no projections of future tv income, and certainly not forecasting higher income. Having seen how stupid and mocked Nbe has become starting with the Times Square Banners, CUSA fans do not want to repeat that mistake.

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Well brother Mustang, I want the BigEast to do well also, but lets not get carried away here. I am not sure we are clearly the #6 conference, in anything. But no way are we going to be better on the field than the Big10 and ACC.

No offense intended toward Tulane and Memphis.....but that would be quite a step in football..

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

(02-24-2013 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

So you honestly believe if Rutgers came back the nBE TV contract would go from $22mil to $47mil????? You believe Rutgers playing in the BE is worth more than UC, UConn, USF, UCF, UH, SMU, Mem, ECU, Tul, Tem, Navy COMBINED??????


Also C7 42 mil??? That would be 6 mil each. Haven't read that anywhere good for them.

Conference USA fans hate the Big East so much they still wont give up jesus. I would not be laughing because the payout per team with 14 teams in conference USA is probably going to be less than one mil.

(02-24-2013 01:21 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

So you honestly believe if Rutgers came back the nBE TV contract would go from $22mil to $47mil????? You believe Rutgers playing in the BE is worth more than UC, UConn, USF, UCF, UH, SMU, Mem, ECU, Tul, Tem, Navy COMBINED??????


Also C7 42 mil??? That would be 6 mil each. Haven't read that anywhere good for them.

You do understand that Im making no judgements on the value of any of these schools, right? The figures I threw out there are simply what networks/conferences have agreed over the last year to pay the schools that made up the nBE in September 2012. If you dont like my Rutgers number, your argument is with the Big-10 and ESPN. They are the ones that decided Rutgers was worth that--not me. As for the C-7 valuation, Fox has reportedly offered the C-7 a 500 million 12 yr deal for a 10 team league (see link at bottom of post). They intend to add 3 A-10 teams that currently make 300K a year to thier league--so yes, the C-7 is basically worth 42 million. Take a million off to account for the A-10 teams if you like. Again, this is not my valuation--its the value networks have placed on these properties.

Basically, from what I can tell, due to thier incredibly unstable nature, the nBE is essentialy in a situation where the whole is worth something significantly less than the sum of its parts. There is almost a negative synergy to the current union. As an example, look at year one of the basketball contract. That contains all the nBE teams, the C-7, AND Notre Dame--all for 10 million dollars. The C-7 alone will be worth 4 times that under their Fox contract. Negative synergy.



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(02-24-2013 01:21 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

So you honestly believe if Rutgers came back the nBE TV contract would go from $22mil to $47mil????? You believe Rutgers playing in the BE is worth more than UC, UConn, USF, UCF, UH, SMU, Mem, ECU, Tul, Tem, Navy COMBINED??????


Also C7 42 mil??? That would be 6 mil each. Haven't read that anywhere good for them.

$30-$40 million for the C7's new league has been widely reported. The assumption seems to be that Fox will maintain $3 million per team.

10 teams = $30 million
12 teams = $36 million
14 teams = $42 million

(02-24-2013 02:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:21 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

So you honestly believe if Rutgers came back the nBE TV contract would go from $22mil to $47mil????? You believe Rutgers playing in the BE is worth more than UC, UConn, USF, UCF, UH, SMU, Mem, ECU, Tul, Tem, Navy COMBINED??????


Also C7 42 mil??? That would be 6 mil each. Haven't read that anywhere good for them.

You do understand that Im making no judgements on the value of any of these schools, right? The figures I threw out there are simply what networks/conferences have agreed over the last year to pay the schools that made up the nBE in September 2012. If you dont like my Rutgers number, your argument is with the Big-10 and ESPN. They are the ones that decided Rutgers was worth that--not me. As for the C-7 valuation, Fox has reportedly offered the C-7 a 500 million 12 yr deal for a 10 team league (see link at bottom of post). They intend to add 3 A-10 teams that currently make 300K a year to thier league--so yes, the C-7 is basically worth 42 million. Take a million off to account for the A-10 teams if you like. Again, this is not my valuation--its the value networks have placed on these properties.

Basically, from what I can tell, due to thier incredibly unstable nature, the nBE is essentialy in a situation where the whole is worth something significantly less than the sum of its parts. There is almost a negative synergy to the current union. As an example, look at year one of the basketball contract. That contains all the nBE teams, the C-7, AND Notre Dame--all for 10 million dollars. The C-7 alone will be worth 4 times that under their Fox contract. Negative synergy.



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I gotcha. I thought you were commenting on my evaluation.

(02-24-2013 02:29 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 01:21 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:34 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.

If we must conitinue feeding the crow then we will.


The 15 mil to 20 mil claims were with UL, RU, BSU (fball), SDSt (fballl) and the 8 catholic basketball schools along with USF, UCF, UC, UConn, Temple, Mem, UH, SMU and Navy football. Let's see what that would be per year for the conference based on the widely quoted 2 to 1 split for basketball and football.

Let's be kind and use the 15 mil number.

10x15mil + 8x5mil + 3x10mil = 220 mil

Now the actual contract is 20mil (let's be kind again and not subtract the value ECU and Tulane add tomthe contract)

Therefore a conference of UL, RU, BSU, SDSt and the 8 catholics would be worth $220 mil - $20 mil = $200 mill. That breaks out to be:

UL $33.3 mil
RU $33.3 mil
BSU $22.2 mil
SDSt $22.2 mil
Catholics $11.1 mil x 8 = $88.8mil

Now if you truly believe those numbers represent market values then I don't quite know how to respond. At some point sanity must replace delusion.

So far, this is how it's played out--

Rutgers--25 million
Lousville--17 million
Notre Dame Olympics- (est adds 1 million per school to ACC)--14 million
C-7--42 million
Boise-4 million
SDSU--2 million
All else-22 million


Total---128 million

So, FWIW, based on current payouts, it appears the networks determined the group would have garnered around 8 to 10 million a team (all sports).

So you honestly believe if Rutgers came back the nBE TV contract would go from $22mil to $47mil????? You believe Rutgers playing in the BE is worth more than UC, UConn, USF, UCF, UH, SMU, Mem, ECU, Tul, Tem, Navy COMBINED??????


Also C7 42 mil??? That would be 6 mil each. Haven't read that anywhere good for them.

$30-$40 million for the C7's new league has been widely reported. The assumption seems to be that Fox will maintain $3 million per team.

10 teams = $30 million
12 teams = $36 million
14 teams = $42 million

Yeah i have seen the total for 12 teams just didn't relate all $42 million to only 7 schools.

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Uh, truism? Every team has a chance to do better than many AQ teams if they just step up, even little schools in the mountains of Idaho.