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RE: Will an espn Big East contract negatively affect our chances to join the ACC
If I may give an opinion on the OP question: everyone I know who is an ACC fan - I mean EVERY ONE - agrees that UC will be the next team added to the ACC when/if the conference ever adds again.

Most agree there are 2 scenarios under which UC might get the invite:
1) If ACC decides to expand to 16, or
2) If ACC loses 1 or 3 teams (if 2 were lost they might stay at 12).

Ultimately, I don't think ESPN will make much difference one way or the other.
That's the opinion over in ACC land, FWIW.
 
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RE: Will an espn Big East contract negatively affect our chances to join the ACC
(02-22-2013 09:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I may give an opinion on the OP question: everyone I know who is an ACC fan - I mean EVERY ONE - agrees that UC will be the next team added to the ACC when/if the conference ever adds again.

Most agree there are 2 scenarios under which UC might get the invite:
1) If ACC decides to expand to 16, or
2) If ACC loses 1 or 3 teams (if 2 were lost they might stay at 12).

Ultimately, I don't think ESPN will make much difference one way or the other.
That's the opinion over in ACC land, FWIW.

Thank you for the addition.
 
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(02-22-2013 09:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I may give an opinion on the OP question: everyone I know who is an ACC fan - I mean EVERY ONE - agrees that UC will be the next team added to the ACC when/if the conference ever adds again.

Most agree there are 2 scenarios under which UC might get the invite:
1) If ACC decides to expand to 16, or
2) If ACC loses 1 or 3 teams (if 2 were lost they might stay at 12).

Ultimately, I don't think ESPN will make much difference one way or the other.
That's the opinion over in ACC land, FWIW.

Thanks for stopping by Mark. I try to limit my participation in these discussions on the ACC board, because I fear that I would end up looking like one of the C-USA fans that used to invade the BE board, before their admission.
 
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This is how crazy the world has become. Under these new ESPN deals, UC football and basketball combined is going to make 1/3 less in their TV deal than DePaul and Seton Hall will for just bad basketball.
 
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Again, not sure of how this can keep getting worse...but it does. Wolken's take that somehow the BigEast is better of as the 5th priority on ESPN vs. "the" major college content for NBCSN is baffling to me. As others have said, the CUSA2.0 will get ridiculed by on-air talking heads, receive zero prime time oriented time slots, and be controlled by a network that basically excercised a no-brainer peanuts deal to keep content from a rival. They have accomplished what the want with this deal...which is to keep content off of NBC. They have zero motivation to promote, invest, brand, or help position CUSA2.0 because they are deeply invested in the ACC, Big 10, and SEC as priorities. We will be filler fodder for ESPNU and weird mid-week time slots.....playing in front of 15K-18K again against teams the local fan base never had interest in to begin with and have since long past up as having any relevance.

Who's ready for the energy atmosphere and tradition of playing Tulane on a Wednesday night @8pm will bring?? Get ready. You like noon games.....there will be plenty. Have you seen how ESPN uses the MAC...............that will be us. Thinking somehow this will keep us "relevant" in recruits minds is silly.

I want to believe we're just 1 move away from an ACC intive stuff too. There's more stuff out there recently that somehow Notre Dame will convince the ACC to take Navy as a 2nd FB only school if a raid occurs.
 
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For me, it cannot get any worse any more (especially after reading MBL's recent post 03-banghead )
 
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(02-23-2013 12:11 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  Again, not sure of how this can keep getting worse...but it does. Wolken's take that somehow the BigEast is better of as the 5th priority on ESPN vs. "the" major college content for NBCSN is baffling to me. As others have said, the CUSA2.0 will get ridiculed by on-air talking heads, receive zero prime time oriented time slots, and be controlled by a network that basically excercised a no-brainer peanuts deal to keep content from a rival. They have accomplished what the want with this deal...which is to keep content off of NBC. They have zero motivation to promote, invest, brand, or help position CUSA2.0 because they are deeply invested in the ACC, Big 10, and SEC as priorities. We will be filler fodder for ESPNU and weird mid-week time slots.....playing in front of 15K-18K again against teams the local fan base never had interest in to begin with and have since long past up as having any relevance.

Who's ready for the energy atmosphere and tradition of playing Tulane on a Wednesday night @8pm will bring?? Get ready. You like noon games.....there will be plenty.
Have you seen how ESPN uses the MAC...............that will be us. Thinking somehow this will keep us "relevant" in recruits minds is silly.

I want to believe we're just 1 move away from an ACC intive stuff too. There's more stuff out there recently that somehow Notre Dame will convince the ACC to take Navy as a 2nd FB only school if a raid occurs.

Good points MLB. The bolded parts is key for me. When teams were all bolting from the conference I said from day one that UC cannot afford to be left behind--- not in this town. The people here not will come to Nippert to watch UC play anybody in this new conference. Hell, UConn is the next best program and we struggle to get 30K to show up when they come to town to play football now.

And nobody give me the stuff about "keep winning and they'll come" because we have been winning at a high clip for six years now. We live in a pro sports town and are surrounded by people who were reared on B1G football and Notre Dame. They won't ever accept us in a conference with Tulane, ECU, Memphis, Tulsa, or whatever C-USA school they want to add tomorrow.
 
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One other thing...the first post-tv deal action the CUSA2.0 schools should do is vote to somehow cut Aresco's salary in 1/2. I believe they paid they guy in excess of $1.2M/year when he was hired...a salary that was equal or greater to the other commisioners of the Big 5 conferences.

While many of the defections where out of his control, the guy has delivered miserably. His bothcing of Tulane/ECU invites..supposedly triggering the C7 split was not due to the Rutgers, Ville, & ND departures. His inability to hold the league together, keep Boise and SDSU on board.....by leveraging his supposed TV savvy ....and delivering even a modestly enhancing TV contract is more than condeming.

My god....the C7 don't even have commisioner..and were able to take a concept, 7 teams....4 of whom are nothing more than also ran bottom feeders (DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, St. Johns) and negotiate a bball only tv contract worth almost 2x the amount Aresco got for a FB and BB. Had he negotiated a vision of the intact remants fo the Big East + Boise/SDSU, etc......the expections he could have delivered $7m-$8M/school with that inventory do not seem out of line.

He's delivered a MWC/MAC level TV package.....his salary should immediately be adjusted to a level equal to commissioners of those conferences (probably about 1/3 of what he is now making). It should be the first action taken. Maybe his buddy Greg Williams can give him a loan if he needs extra jack after this complete failure.
 
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Makes you wonder if Aresco was trying to pay back NBC through this low-ball deal. It may look good to the incoming CUSA teams, but this is insulting on a new level to UC and UConn. It may be an indcator, though, that everyone knows UC and UConn won't be in the Big East for long.
 
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Fill in the blank:

The Big East's decision to turn down the $1billion TV deal was the dumbest sports-related decision since _____________.
 
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Food for thought: If the C7 ends up with the Big East name, why wouldn't THEY be the ones saddled with the ESPN contract (and you guys be free agents)? Perhaps this has already been discussed - I don't even try to keep up with everything anymore - it's just too much.
 
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(02-25-2013 12:36 PM)#41 Wrote:  Fill in the blank:

The Big East's decision to turn down the $1billion TV deal was the dumbest sports-related decision since _____________.

That's actually a very hard question to answer depending upon your perspective and assumptions (and actually sets up a pretty interesting exercise in game theory). Obviously if you are talking about the Big East as an entity, it ended up being a terrible decision compared to where they are now. But who's to say they wouldn't have had the same defections (and been essentially forced into the same adds) even if they signed the original tv deal - which probably would have nullified the deal and put them in the same place they are now anyway?

But I still think if they could have held together at least the football schools and maybe made a couple of smart adds (e.g. TCU, Boise), each of the football schools might just have topped what many of them are getting now in the ACC in a new tv deal which would have made it a good decision to not sign the original deal and see the process out in the Big East (provided everyone else did too). Obviously we'll never know though nor will we know what would have happened in re-alignment had Pitt and Syracuse not gotten the ball rolling when they did.

But since things didn't happen that way, for every school that landed in the ACC it was a great decision (at least in terms of isolated financial results comparison) for each of them. Same for those in the Big 10 and Big 12 again in terms of final financial result - although that money does come with some potentially very difficult trade-offs and who knows if things would have played out the same had the Big East signed the original tv deal.

I'd have to look at the terms of the original tv deal to see if passing on it was a good deal for the C7. I'm guessing it wasn't, at least under the conference method for splitting money among the non-football schools (didn't they essentially count basketball and football as equals which they financially arent'). On the other hand, they may have tried to change the financial methodology and the C7 has gained its autonomy to act in its best interests. Plus we don't know exactly what their new contract will look like (also exit fees and NCAA credits) so I think it's still to be determined whether not signing the original tv deal was ultimately good or bad for them.

Which leaves UC, UConn and USF as really being the only schools (C7 pending) for whom the decision was awful as far as how things have worked out so far. Perhaps adding to the UC pain, even though they weren't involved in the original Big East decision to pass on the tv deal, it is also shaping up as a great decision for XU, Butler and/or whoever else the C7 end up adding.

To me though, the primary catalyst in the demise of the Big East was Pitt and Syracuse leaving when they did (yes it was after passing on the original deal but much more importantly they left before finding out what they could have gotten in the new tv deal). In addition to incentivizing other Big East schools to leave, their move to the ACC incentivized other conferences to also expansion (both to strengthen and to be pre-emptive) which directly and indirectly all dominoed to decimate the Big East. I think if those 2 stayed at least until the new tv contract was finalized, there's a good chance the other schools would have as well. And depending upon the results of that new contract, we might have a VERY different conference landscape than we currently do.
 
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(02-25-2013 03:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 12:36 PM)#41 Wrote:  Fill in the blank:

The Big East's decision to turn down the $1billion TV deal was the dumbest sports-related decision since _____________.

That's actually a very hard question to answer depending upon your perspective and assumptions (and actually sets up a pretty interesting exercise in game theory). Obviously if you are talking about the Big East as an entity, it ended up being a terrible decision compared to where they are now. But who's to say they wouldn't have had the same defections (and been essentially forced into the same adds) even if they signed the original tv deal - which probably would have nullified the deal and put them in the same place they are now anyway?

But I still think if they could have held together at least the football schools and maybe made a couple of smart adds (e.g. TCU, Boise), each of the football schools might just have topped what many of them are getting now in the ACC in a new tv deal which would have made it a good decision to not sign the original deal and see the process out in the Big East (provided everyone else did too). Obviously we'll never know though nor will we know what would have happened in re-alignment had Pitt and Syracuse not gotten the ball rolling when they did.

But since things didn't happen that way, for every school that landed in the ACC it was a great decision (at least in terms of isolated financial results comparison) for each of them. Same for those in the Big 10 and Big 12 again in terms of final financial result - although that money does come with some potentially very difficult trade-offs and who knows if things would have played out the same had the Big East signed the original tv deal.

I'd have to look at the terms of the original tv deal to see if passing on it was a good deal for the C7. I'm guessing it wasn't, at least under the conference method for splitting money among the non-football schools (didn't they essentially count basketball and football as equals which they financially arent'). On the other hand, they may have tried to change the financial methodology and the C7 has gained its autonomy to act in its best interests. Plus we don't know exactly what their new contract will look like (also exit fees and NCAA credits) so I think it's still to be determined whether not signing the original tv deal was ultimately good or bad for them.

Which leaves UC, UConn and USF as really being the only schools (C7 pending) for whom the decision was awful as far as how things have worked out so far. Perhaps adding to the UC pain, even though they weren't involved in the original Big East decision to pass on the tv deal, it is also shaping up as a great decision for XU, Butler and/or whoever else the C7 end up adding.

To me though, the primary catalyst in the demise of the Big East was Pitt and Syracuse leaving when they did (yes it was after passing on the original deal but much more importantly they left before finding out what they could have gotten in the new tv deal). In addition to incentivizing other Big East schools to leave, their move to the ACC incentivized other conferences to also expansion (both to strengthen and to be pre-emptive) which directly and indirectly all dominoed to decimate the Big East. I think if those 2 stayed at least until the new tv contract was finalized, there's a good chance the other schools would have as well. And depending upon the results of that new contract, we might have a VERY different conference landscape than we currently do.

Irony may be that Pitt and Syracuse could be left in the land of misfits if ACC implodes
 
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(02-25-2013 09:36 PM)50Cent Wrote:  Irony may be that Pitt and Syracuse could be left in the land of misfits if ACC implodes

That would be a poetic and fitting outcome.
 
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