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I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.
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(02-21-2013 10:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(02-21-2013 08:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  NBCSN has to be the biggest loser in all of this.

Nope....UConn.

if they stick around...

Of course now, I could see ESPN kind of propping the Big East up quite frankly- keeping rather cheap programming like this would be huge. Not to the level they did with the ACC but somewhat at least.


I dont know. I think this contract may actually hasten its demise. I can see it being VERY difficult to lure replacement schools from CUSA. The MW could easily poach 2 schools quite quickly. I could see Memphis, Cinci, Temple, and UConn working a C-7/MAC deal. I could see ECU and Tulane pulling the eject handle at that point and staying put. Navys certainly not coming for a couple of million a year---they make more than that off just the Army-Navy game. That would leave just UCF and USF. They get a sweetheart deal for a short stay in CUSA and wait for the the ACC gutting so they can move to the ACC.

I can assure you that ECU is not pulling the eject handle. ECU would leave CUSA even if it was for the same money. We want to play schools like Cincy, UConn, Houston, USF,UCF. Those schools are more like us and our fans are familiar with those teams. We don't want to play UNCC, USTA,MTSU,UTEP ect.... It is not all about tv money. It is about fans having an intrest. Is it worth playing those crappy teams if your attendance money drops $350k/ (10K less people)per game would equal 2.1 millon in lost revenue. In the Big East ECU will maintain attendence and bball attendence will also rise for more revenue. The tvcontract is just one aspect of the whole picture.

I think this plays true for most schools. This might have the reverse effect for UCONN and Cincy.
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(02-21-2013 09:38 PM)billings Wrote:  
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(02-21-2013 08:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  from story-
ESPN matched the financial aspect, sources said. However, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco must be satisfied ESPN's deal matches NBC Sports Network's offer in all facets. Once that is concluded, the Big East presidents must approve the new deal. They could vote on accepting the deal as early as this weekend, sources said.

ESPN's package includes annually broadcasting 65 football games, 150-plus basketball games, a conference football championship game and the Big East men's basketball tournament on ESPN's family of networks, sources said.

This part is key. BE can still reject this offer if ESPN doesn't give them prime time slots like NBC offered.

Rejecting it would be dumb. What is prime time on NBCSN worth? Not so much. Even ESPNU is in more homes than NBCSN, and being in the ESPN fold means they mention your games on SportsCenter instead of pretending your league doesn't exist (see, e.g., NHL).


not sure that is true

me neither as without checking i would think there numbers are similar distribution wise
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(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

Yes--but there is stability in the west....at least it wont get any worse. Not so in the nBE. With a horrible contract, no money, no exposure, probably a diminished bowl line up---whats going to hold that group together? Is the nBE really the best option at this point...for anyone?
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(02-21-2013 10:34 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 09:38 PM)billings Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 09:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 09:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 08:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  from story-
ESPN matched the financial aspect, sources said. However, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco must be satisfied ESPN's deal matches NBC Sports Network's offer in all facets. Once that is concluded, the Big East presidents must approve the new deal. They could vote on accepting the deal as early as this weekend, sources said.

ESPN's package includes annually broadcasting 65 football games, 150-plus basketball games, a conference football championship game and the Big East men's basketball tournament on ESPN's family of networks, sources said.

This part is key. BE can still reject this offer if ESPN doesn't give them prime time slots like NBC offered.

Rejecting it would be dumb. What is prime time on NBCSN worth? Not so much. Even ESPNU is in more homes than NBCSN, and being in the ESPN fold means they mention your games on SportsCenter instead of pretending your league doesn't exist (see, e.g., NHL).


not sure that is true

me neither as without checking i would think there numbers are similar distribution wise

NBC-SN is 77 million and ESPN-U is 75 million. Not much difference.
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(02-21-2013 10:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

Yes--but there is stability in the west....at least it wont get any worse. Not so in the nBE. With a horrible contract, no money, no exposure, probably a diminished bowl line up---whats going to hold that group together? Is the nBE really the best option at this point...for anyone?

Well for Temple, ECU, Tulane, UCF, Memphis it without a doubt is. Esp if Aresco is smart and curtail the entrance fees. It's DOUBLE what they were making in CUSA. The exposure piece you are GREATLY understating. There will be some BE games on ESPN. Some of the OOC games will dictate that. Even some of the conference games will dictate that.
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(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

The reason we wanted to remain eastern is that most of our students from the east coast require less financial aid. At $40,000/year that adds up. But with us making CUSA money and none of the schools we thought we would be associating with gone that appeal has to dwindle.
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The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.
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(02-21-2013 10:43 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

The reason we wanted to remain eastern is that most of our students from the east coast require less financial aid. At $40,000/year that adds up. But with us making CUSA money and none of the schools we thought we would be associating with gone that appeal has to dwindle.

Basically, to me, the whole move was a 2 year lesson in futility.
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(02-21-2013 10:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

Yes--but there is stability in the west....at least it wont get any worse. Not so in the nBE. With a horrible contract, no money, no exposure, probably a diminished bowl line up---whats going to hold that group together? Is the nBE really the best option at this point...for anyone?

Well....
it keeps Cincinnati out of the MAC
it keeps MTSU away from Memphis
it keeps FIU and FAU away from UCF and USF
it keeps ULL and ULM and maybe LT away from Tulane
it keeps UNT away from SMU.

It also lets Houston and SMU look east. Yay?

Based on the TCU, Boise State, Houston and Memphis contracts, anyone who wants to bail probably owes $5M. (Tulane and ECU might be able to bail for $1M if they have the clause about revenue decreasing 25% in the year before they join, but I don't think so. The conference will still be getting plenty of money from NCAA credits, and will still have the old ESPN football contract, plus exit fees.)
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(02-21-2013 10:50 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

Yes--but there is stability in the west....at least it wont get any worse. Not so in the nBE. With a horrible contract, no money, no exposure, probably a diminished bowl line up---whats going to hold that group together? Is the nBE really the best option at this point...for anyone?

Well....
it keeps Cincinnati out of the MAC
it keeps MTSU away from Memphis
it keeps FIU and FAU away from UCF and USF
it keeps ULL and ULM and maybe LT away from Tulane
it keeps UNT away from SMU.

It also lets Houston and SMU look east. Yay?

Based on the TCU, Boise State, Houston and Memphis contracts, anyone who wants to bail probably owes $5M. (Tulane and ECU might be able to bail for $1M if they have the clause about revenue decreasing 25% in the year before they join, but I don't think so. The conference will still be getting plenty of money from NCAA credits, and will still have the old ESPN football contract, plus exit fees.)

Im not sure if that clause refers to that type revenue since we dont receive NCAA credits earned prior to our entry. What is the total media earnings this year and what will it be next year with the new basketball contract---it may have dropped 25%. It would be close I bet.
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(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.
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(02-21-2013 10:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:50 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't see the C7 wanting any of those schools quite frankly.... To me the biggest flight risk is Houston/SMU- but then again, the money is not that much different between the NBE and MWC at all. I think they want to remain Eastern conference members. So, if those 6 stay, the conference is fine.

Yes--but there is stability in the west....at least it wont get any worse. Not so in the nBE. With a horrible contract, no money, no exposure, probably a diminished bowl line up---whats going to hold that group together? Is the nBE really the best option at this point...for anyone?

Well....
it keeps Cincinnati out of the MAC
it keeps MTSU away from Memphis
it keeps FIU and FAU away from UCF and USF
it keeps ULL and ULM and maybe LT away from Tulane
it keeps UNT away from SMU.

It also lets Houston and SMU look east. Yay?

Based on the TCU, Boise State, Houston and Memphis contracts, anyone who wants to bail probably owes $5M. (Tulane and ECU might be able to bail for $1M if they have the clause about revenue decreasing 25% in the year before they join, but I don't think so. The conference will still be getting plenty of money from NCAA credits, and will still have the old ESPN football contract, plus exit fees.)

Im not sure if that clause refers to that type revenue since we dont receive NCAA credits earned prior to our entry. What is the total media earnings this year and what will it be next year with the new basketball contract---it may have dropped 25%. It would be close I bet.

The Memphis one says "aggregate total revenue", so that would include NCAA credits, income from the MSG tournament, exit fees, BCS bowls, other bowls, everything.

Just TV, 2012-13 I believe we're getting $13.3M for football from ESPN, $24M for basketball from ESPN and $8M from CBS. That's $45M. The new arrangement would be $13.3M + $10 plus say $2.7M from CBS for $26M. That's a drop of $19M.

Last year, West Virginia's revenue distribution would have been around $9M. (It came up as part of the settlement of the lawsuit.) So just for the football schools, the conference revenue was around $9M x 8 = $72M. Guessing wildly that the basketball schools each got 1/3 of what West Virginia got, that's another $3M x 8 = $24M. So if it's $96M, a $19M drop doesn't trigger the reduction for ECU and Tulane.

I have no idea what the purpose of that clause was.
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(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.

Apparently you don't need football to make more than 2 million.
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(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.

Enjoy your reduction in per team money now that you have 2 more mouths with no more money. <1 Million a year now for you guys. Going to be getting 1 NCAA team per year (with a 13-14 seed so little/no chance for winning) so little NCAA hoops money. Have fun with that.
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(02-21-2013 10:19 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  I don't think NBCSN is on dish network. At least I've never seen it.

Try 159, but I won't be watching.
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(02-21-2013 11:02 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.

Well, judging by bowl game wins since the Moon landing, they have as good a football team as UTEP does.
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(02-21-2013 11:16 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  
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(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.

Apparently you don't need football to make more than 2 million.

lol so true. We'll be making TRIPLE what you are making. with no football. Guess college sports ain't just football....
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(02-21-2013 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The hyperbole is something else. CUSA DREAMS of making 2 million a year. just dreams of that.

You have a football team? And I'm not referring to flag-football at Gtown on campus lawns.

Enjoy your reduction in per team money now that you have 2 more mouths with no more money. <1 Million a year now for you guys. Going to be getting 1 NCAA team per year (with a 13-14 seed so little/no chance for winning) so little NCAA hoops money. Have fun with that.

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(02-21-2013 08:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this nugget:
The Big East's $10 million figure for the men's basketball season in 2013-14 is based on the seven Catholic schools remaining in the league next season, sources said. If those schools leave the Big East before next year, that figure would be reduced.

So they get $30-$40 million alone, but $10 million when they are with the remaining schools. Shouldn't they have to pay ESPN after C7 leave?
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