(02-20-2013 08:52 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:48 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:34 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If NBC is the only network willing to entertain a nBE media deal then, C-USA and the MWC both come out winners. I've read where the nBE is looking to sell secondary rights to CBS, but I've yet to read anything from CBS stateing they are interested in buying those games. Does anyone have a source for that rumor?

Sports Business Daily reported it.

Thanks. I'll go look it up.

I just don't think CBS is going to want those games. They already have C-USA, Army, and Navy content. Do they even need more content during the football season? I'd think the off season is where they run low on content. I thought that was one of the reasons ESPN was passing on making an offer to the nBE.

They are looking a few games for football, but mainly looking basketball.

That makes sense.

Well, when your talk about UConn, Cinny, Temple, and Memphis, yeah they'd wanted to air their games and their games against the other nBE teams.

(02-20-2013 09:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Fox is giving C-USA better exposure and pay than ESPN ever did. I wouldn't leave Fox.

I agree. CUSA would be totally foolish to return to ESPN.

(02-20-2013 09:06 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Fox is giving C-USA better exposure and pay than ESPN ever did. I wouldn't leave Fox.

I agree. CUSA would be totally foolish to return to ESPN.

We still give Memphis crap for the 4,117 attendance for the Tues. night games in 2009, but that was mainly due to it being a rainy Tues. night. I thank Terry Holland for refusing to allow week night games other than Thursday night at ECU. You see it with the BE games now with ESPN moving some games to Wensday night.

(02-20-2013 09:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If NBC is the only network willing to entertain a nBE media deal then, C-USA and the MWC both come out winners. I've read where the nBE is looking to sell secondary rights to CBS, but I've yet to read anything from CBS stateing they are interested in buying those games. Does anyone have a source for that rumor?

Not really, first and formost ESPN didn't have to bid on the contract, they had the right of first refusal. So to keep the contract low inorder to get it at low amount they didn't bid. But, nBE did basiclly the same thing C-USA did and got the contract to say no Monday, Tues., Wens. games. Also, we had NBC agree to prime time games on it's main network = to ABC or ESPN and defined televised games vs games aired via internet streamming sites (ie ESPN3.com), and got the ability to revisit the $$$ of the deal every two years. ESPN is still in the mix to pick-up some 2nd/3rd tier rights from some football and basketball games.

The smart part of the deal is the ability to review the deal every two years, if the nBE does well the $$$ amounts will go up. So, the deal can grow beyond the orginal amount of the contract.

As far as C-USA goes, I'd be careful with ESPN in 3 years, they got who they want show in the good time slots already. C-USA would not get good time slots and be forced back into Mon., Tues., Wens. games and a lot of games on ESPN3.com. In other words very little exposure. Fox is giving C-USA better exposure and pay than ESPN ever did. I wouldn't leave Fox.

Thanks for the details. If the nBE generates strong T.V. numbers, the money could be really nice, but if they don't produce, that adjustable contract could come back to bite you on the rear. Remember Ricky Williams' first NFL contract? The Master P contrct?

I agree FOX should be the driving force behind C-USA in the future. I think their regional station set-up is ideal for maximizing our exposure and generating fan interest. If C-USA stays with FOX and CBS Sports when the media deal comes up again I would be perfectly happy. I have the sports package.

I don't think this matters at all to NBE or CUSA. NBE wants to sign with NBC, looks like that will happen. ESPN is going to move some of its extra big 5 stuff around. The don't need anything from CUSA either. In the End CUSA will have what it has until contracts are up, and schools will get aprox 1mi each. NBE will have NBC/CUSA, and possibly another small package out there and the schools will make between 2.5 and 3 mil It is what it is.

(02-20-2013 09:47 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  NBE will have NBC/CUSA, and possibly another small package out there and the schools will make between 2.5 and 3 mil It is what it is.

I'm still not sure this will be the case for the nBE but we will see soon enough.

(02-20-2013 10:10 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:47 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  NBE will have NBC/CUSA, and possibly another small package out there and the schools will make between 2.5 and 3 mil It is what it is.

I'm still not sure this will be the case for the nBE but we will see soon enough.

I hope for tallgrass it isn't that much.


I think he'll kill himself. I am all about the NBE doing well, but I have a soul and don't want to see anyone off themselves over money! Especially money they weren't getting in their pocket anyway.

No bacon or pop tarts in this WHOLE THREAD!? I'm so disappointed

Not sure why any CUSA fans would celebrate a less than stellar NBE offer. It shows CUSA is fuc ked when renegotiating starts with THEIR contract.

THis is about 2-3 million less a year than what we wanted but the exposure off set makes a silver lining. And I've read 25 million 1st tier, 3-4 million 2nd. SO around 30 million when all is said and done for 10-12 teams.

Just what the doctor ordered! I know! I know! Prestigous Nbe is a $28 conference. Whereas lowly CUSA is a $12 conference.

http://www.bannersonthecheap.com/

(02-20-2013 11:57 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Just what the doctor ordered! I know! I know! Prestigous Nbe is a $28 conference. Whereas lowly CUSA is a $12 conference.

http://www.bannersonthecheap.com/

(02-21-2013 12:35 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:57 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Just what the doctor ordered! I know! I know! Prestigous Nbe is a $28 conference. Whereas lowly CUSA is a $12 conference.

http://www.bannersonthecheap.com/

Do you like frosted pop tarts? Or regular ones?

(02-20-2013 07:55 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  I think so. An expanded CUSA can provide a good inventory of telecasts for both ESPN and FOX. ESPN obviously feels they don't need Nbe. And, with CUSA, they don't.

I still feel both CUSA and Nbe would have benefited and gained more through cooperation and coordination, rather than being in this position of being tv competitors, which they obviously are. It works against both conferences.

It appears to me that CUSA's timing is working in its advantage, with the CUSA tv contract running out in three years.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619519

These always make me feel better




Mmmmmmm....

This thread has suddenly vastly improved in content...vive la pastrie!

(02-21-2013 12:38 AM)Freshy Wrote:  This thread has suddenly vastly improved in content...vive la pastrie!

trolling and flaming always makes breakfast tastier on this board.

Just look at it like this. The nBE is essentially CUSA. They're getting a contract that is just a little bit more than what they had this past year. Now think about that. The nBE is getting a little bit more than current CUSA money. Now, let's think of what this means for CUSA. With the same logic at hand, our tv contract will decrease. At one point, we will have to renegotiate. And quite frankly, it's ridiculous for us to believe that we will get the same amount that we have now. It'll probably be closer to what the Sun Belt now receives.

There's a reason that all the departing schools have seen this figure, evaluated their decision, and still feel this is a better decision for them than to stay. It may cost them some money, but if you want to stay in the game, you have to continue to move forward.

(02-20-2013 08:30 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The proposed CUSA/MWC alliance was based on the same premise, a combined and coordinated tv negotiating stance would result in a better end result.

And the majority of the Presidents should have stuck with that negotiation. But they didn't and went with regional expansion, which made C-USA untenable for some schools and, after thinking about it, for many of the schools that voted for regional expansion. Even more ridiculous is that the big voice for regional expansion was the school who was looking to leave the most regardless of the structure of the league, and they listened to them anyway. It's a cluster.... with a lot of blame to go around, including Banowsky who got his poison pill.
And don't tell me that they had to expand for the C-USA championship game. Table it for a couple of years - big deal. As for the networks - hey, they can cut the payment, but that will be assessed to the departing teams: they reimburse for TV diminution. Now, C-USA will have the same deal, the teams will walk leaving 500K and while the BE may lose two heavy hitters they will still have the leverage to take from C-USA instead of equal footing if not advantage C-USA.
But on the other hand, some C-USA presidents wanted a regional league and they got what they wanted. But don't complain when others disagree with that model.

(02-21-2013 01:56 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 08:30 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The proposed CUSA/MWC alliance was based on the same premise, a combined and coordinated tv negotiating stance would result in a better end result.

And the majority of the Presidents should have stuck with that negotiation. But they didn't and went with regional expansion, which made C-USA untenable for some schools and, after thinking about it, for many of the schools that voted for regional expansion. Even more ridiculous is that the big voice for regional expansion was the school who was looking to leave the most regardless of the structure of the league, and they listened to them anyway. It's a cluster.... with a lot of blame to go around, including Banowsky who got his poison pill.
And don't tell me that they had to expand for the C-USA championship game. Table it for a couple of years - big deal. As for the networks - hey, they can cut the payment, but that will be assessed to the departing teams: they reimburse for TV diminution. Now, C-USA will have the same deal, the teams will walk leaving 500K and while the BE may lose two heavy hitters they will still have the leverage to take from C-USA instead of equal footing if not advantage C-USA.
But on the other hand, some C-USA presidents wanted a regional league and they got what they wanted. But don't complain when others disagree with that model.

And the main school that wanted and got a more regional conference left anyway. No big deal but one really can't take statements from college presidents or athletic directors too seriously. Always watch out for yourself is what each school has to do in these shark infested waters.

(02-20-2013 08:58 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  I don't understand what Tallgrass is talking about....C-USA isn't with ESPN.....C-USA is with Fox and CBS.

Why are you trying to make sense of Trollgrass posts? Either ignore them or mock them, because any other option will just give you a headache.