In fact why stop with us, you guys should invite Cuse Lville Pitt back too!

I was going to respond and then I asked myself, why am I arguing with Houston, UCF, and SMU fans?!?

(02-16-2013 04:08 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:57 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:29 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  Do they keep the history? It's going to be disgusting hearing out about Big East "tradition" during a UFC-SMU game.

UCF and SMU got to the Big East the same way you did Marquette fan.

And UCONN is the most prolific Big East basketball program.

And they won't be in the conference either. But have fun being an afterthought in both sports.

Not sure what you were getting at but I am content with watching my programs compete in both sports. I can't imagine what it must be like for you.

Ah 'competing', the homer version of "not losing by too much."

But Yeah, totally. UCF and Houston are so relevant in college athletics. Ha. You will call yourself the Big East, but no one will treat you that way. You are CUSA but not as good.

LMAO! The same CUSA that Marquette called home. TCU and Louisville as well..

You seem to find that insulting.

(02-16-2013 05:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:08 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:57 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  UCF and SMU got to the Big East the same way you did Marquette fan.

And UCONN is the most prolific Big East basketball program.

And they won't be in the conference either. But have fun being an afterthought in both sports.

Not sure what you were getting at but I am content with watching my programs compete in both sports. I can't imagine what it must be like for you.

Ah 'competing', the homer version of "not losing by too much."

But Yeah, totally. UCF and Houston are so relevant in college athletics. Ha. You will call yourself the Big East, but no one will treat you that way. You are CUSA but not as good.

LMAO! The same CUSA that Marquette called home. TCU and Louisville as well..

You seem to find that insulting.

Yeah that's his point. You're CUSA but not as good because you don't have the good programs like Marquette, TCU and UofL anymore.

C-USA was once a pretty well respected conference, getting 6 NCAA tournament bids in 2004 (and that was not including Marquette). Once we all left being in C-USA was pretty insulting...

The BE Marquette joined is much different than the BE the current cusa teams are joining

(02-16-2013 05:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:08 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:57 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 03:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  UCF and SMU got to the Big East the same way you did Marquette fan.

And UCONN is the most prolific Big East basketball program.

And they won't be in the conference either. But have fun being an afterthought in both sports.

Not sure what you were getting at but I am content with watching my programs compete in both sports. I can't imagine what it must be like for you.

Ah 'competing', the homer version of "not losing by too much."

But Yeah, totally. UCF and Houston are so relevant in college athletics. Ha. You will call yourself the Big East, but no one will treat you that way. You are CUSA but not as good.

LMAO! The same CUSA that Marquette called home. TCU and Louisville as well..

You seem to find that insulting.

Still don't get it do you?

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/b...MmA5Ph1NzN

NYPOST

"A source in the Big East said though the league prefers not to litigate, it will fight to retain the name. The Post recently reported the Big East probably would win such a case."

I personally do not care who gets the name. Both parties need to split and move on. I am more interested on getting the right teams and getting a BIGGER TV contract.

(02-16-2013 07:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/b...MmA5Ph1NzN

NYPOST

"A source in the Big East said though the league prefers not to litigate, it will fight to retain the name. The Post recently reported the Big East probably would win such a case."

Ever actually read the post? It's a rag.

The New York post is the you of the journalistic world.

The football side "Wants" the name for bargaining power.

It's not that they hold the name in such high value, they just now it's a valuable brand for the basketball schools... and want basketball to buy it from them.

This isn't about tradition, brand, loyalty, or who deserves the name, or what's "right." It's about money. Period.

The football side has the leverage, since they're staying and the C7 is going. This is nothing more than saying "Oh yeah, what's it worth to you?" so they can get as much money as possible out of the C7 before their deplorable football league loses its BCS check.

(02-18-2013 05:35 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  The football side "Wants" the name for bargaining power.

It's not that they hold the name in such high value, they just now it's a valuable brand for the basketball schools... and want basketball to buy it from them.

This isn't about tradition, brand, loyalty, or who deserves the name, or what's "right." It's about money. Period.

Which is fine, we have money. They can't really afford NOT to sell it to us. Because TV isn't giving them any money for it.

Quote:The football side has the leverage, since they're staying and the C7 is going. This is nothing more than saying "Oh yeah, what's it worth to you?" so they can get as much money as possible out of the C7 before their deplorable football league loses its BCS check.

New name for nBE = "Conference USA Today . . . And Maybe Tomorow"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ng-sources

The Big East's seven departing Catholic schools are expected to start their own league next season and will keep the Big East Conference name, sources told ESPN's Brett McMurphy, Andy Katz and Dana O'Neil.

(03-01-2013 10:20 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ng-sources

The Big East's seven departing Catholic schools are expected to start their own league next season and will keep the Big East Conference name, sources told ESPN's Brett McMurphy, Andy Katz and Dana O'Neil.

" . . . Fox Sports Network's deal with the Catholic 7 is expected to be worth at least $3 million annually per school, sources said. . . "

This is the line in the article that is getting overlooked, in my opinion . . . $3 million/10 teams is $30 million. What happened to the $40 million that has been touted for months? Is this a throw away line in the article, or its this based on new information? Is this $30 million number being reported elsewhere? Given that all the media reports about the Big East were overstated right up until the TV deal was announced, what does this mean? And, if the C7 deal is only for say $2-3 million, what a disaster for the C7 and (insert new conference name here) football schools. They were stronger by staying together with the football schools, and definitely left money on the table with this breakup orchestrated entirely by the TV networks.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ng-sources

UHCougar - The speculative estimates about the Big East ("Industry consultant believes that the Big East is worth $x") were overstated. The actual reports of actual offers to the Big East from specific networks were right on the nose. The Fox number is an actual offer. It's going to happen. I know that it won't stop the Old Big East board posters from trying to deny this (like virtually every other story) until the bitter end when Fox announces this deal at its upfront meetings next week, but we have we have seen how that approach has turned how.

(03-01-2013 11:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UHCougar - The speculative estimates about the Big East ("Industry consultant believes that the Big East is worth $x") were overstated. The actual reports of actual offers to the Big East from specific networks were right on the nose. The Fox number is an actual offer. It's going to happen. I know that it won't stop the Old Big East board posters from trying to deny this (like virtually every other story) until the bitter end when Fox announces this deal at its upfront meetings next week, but we have we have seen how that approach has turned how.

. . . understood, but what I'm saying is that I've finally accepted the idea that the TV folks are going to chisel the former Big East schools on everything. None of the C7 or football schools have been dealing from a position of strength here. Apparently, FOX is the only network willing to pony up a big contract. There have been zero other suitors suggested. If FOX has that upperhand, why overpay. Everyone "thinks" a hard number is on the table. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. But over the last month, the number is definitely going down from an original high of $40 million/12 schools ($3.3 million) to apparently now its $30 milliion/10 schools ($3 million). Here is a sample:

01/06/2013 - "It is believed the "Catholic 7" would divide its share of the television rights evenly and split the rest among what ideally will become the other three-to-five schools that it adds to form a 10- to 12-team conference. One source said it is likely the new schools wouldn't share the same amount as the "Catholic 7," which would allow the former Big East basketball schools to earn in the $5 million range." . . . http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

02/09/2013 - "Fox Sports' offer would be worth between $30 million and $40 million per year depending on how many teams are in the league, sources said." . . . http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ghts-deals

02/11/2013- "Multiple reports from both ESPN (including the McMurphy/Katz report linked above) and Sports Illustrated have stated that Fox is the leading suitor for the rights to the new Catholic 7 league with offers of between $30 million and $40 million per year depending upon whether it has 10 or 12 schools. That represents the Catholic 7 making around $3 million per year for basketball rights . . ." http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2013/0...n-bristol/


02/27/2013 - "But with a multi-year television offer of approximately $40 million from Fox Sports Cable, the Catholic 7 schools are getting pressure to make a deal which allows them to exit a year early." . . . http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5347


All that is required is for FOX to require the C7 to have a 12-team conference, and you'ew at $30 million/12 ($2.5 million) and that just doesn't seem like a win to breakaway. Also, if the deal falls to just a few million as the Big East football deal did when it was first reported as $20-23 million, then the C7 could be looking at say $27 million/10 schools ($2.7 million), and that also doesn't seem like a clear win either if they are giving up $60 million or so in money for the Big East name.

(03-01-2013 01:51 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 11:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UHCougar - The speculative estimates about the Big East ("Industry consultant believes that the Big East is worth $x") were overstated. The actual reports of actual offers to the Big East from specific networks were right on the nose. The Fox number is an actual offer. It's going to happen. I know that it won't stop the Old Big East board posters from trying to deny this (like virtually every other story) until the bitter end when Fox announces this deal at its upfront meetings next week, but we have we have seen how that approach has turned how.

. . . understood, but what I'm saying is that I've finally accepted the idea that the TV folks are going to chisel the former Big East schools on everything. None of the C7 or football schools have been dealing from a position of strength here. Apparently, FOX is the only network willing to pony up a big contract. There have been zero other suitors suggested. If FOX has that upperhand, why overpay. Everyone "thinks" a hard number is on the table. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. But over the last month, the number is definitely going down from an original high of $40 million/12 schools ($3.3 million) to apparently now its $30 milliion/10 schools ($3 million). Here is a sample:

01/06/2013 - "It is believed the "Catholic 7" would divide its share of the television rights evenly and split the rest among what ideally will become the other three-to-five schools that it adds to form a 10- to 12-team conference. One source said it is likely the new schools wouldn't share the same amount as the "Catholic 7," which would allow the former Big East basketball schools to earn in the $5 million range." . . . http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

02/09/2013 - "Fox Sports' offer would be worth between $30 million and $40 million per year depending on how many teams are in the league, sources said." . . . http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ghts-deals

02/11/2013- "Multiple reports from both ESPN (including the McMurphy/Katz report linked above) and Sports Illustrated have stated that Fox is the leading suitor for the rights to the new Catholic 7 league with offers of between $30 million and $40 million per year depending upon whether it has 10 or 12 schools. That represents the Catholic 7 making around $3 million per year for basketball rights . . ." http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2013/0...n-bristol/


02/27/2013 - "But with a multi-year television offer of approximately $40 million from Fox Sports Cable, the Catholic 7 schools are getting pressure to make a deal which allows them to exit a year early." . . . http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5347


All that is required is for FOX to require the C7 to have a 12-team conference, and you'ew at $30 million/12 ($2.5 million) and that just doesn't seem like a win to breakaway. Also, if the deal falls to just a few million as the Big East football deal did when it was first reported as $20-23 million, then the C7 could be looking at say $27 million/10 schools ($2.7 million), and that also doesn't seem like a clear win either if they are giving up $60 million or so in money for the Big East name.

1. The guy said AT LEAST 3 million not at most so your 2-3 million is just wrong.

2. CBS and ESPN were also interested in the C7.

Some of these so-called journalists need to use better phrasing in their articles. If the Basketball Seven will keep the Big East name, which also means they will keep the league's history, then the Football Four + CUSA Four + Rutgers\Louisville are technically the group creating a new conference in July. It may not be how things happen, legally, but that's how history will eventually see it (football schools kicked out).