(02-14-2013 01:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 12:54 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 09:11 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I like Larry, but I think it stinks that another mid-major hired our coach away.

I take it you never coached for money. I am happy for him and wish him well because he did some good things for USM and left it better off than M.K. Turk did after building a good program he then ran the ship into an iceberg and sank it. Larry at least left a program that a new coach could work with and not be scandal ridden like Turk left. I also like the coach we got and given some time to establish trails in recruiting and getting some height to compliment the team strengths, I think we are going to do fine, and that is what we really want.

I didn't expect Larry to turn down the money. I do expect our administrators to ask why a supposed peer apparently has so much more money than we do. I don't know all the answers there. We need to find someone who does.

...guessing they put more emphasis on hoops than we do....just a stab in the dark...money can always be printed when necessary...just ask
EJ

(02-14-2013 01:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 12:54 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 09:11 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I like Larry, but I think it stinks that another mid-major hired our coach away.

I take it you never coached for money. I am happy for him and wish him well because he did some good things for USM and left it better off than M.K. Turk did after building a good program he then ran the ship into an iceberg and sank it. Larry at least left a program that a new coach could work with and not be scandal ridden like Turk left. I also like the coach we got and given some time to establish trails in recruiting and getting some height to compliment the team strengths, I think we are going to do fine, and that is what we really want.

I didn't expect Larry to turn down the money. I do expect our administrators to ask why a supposed peer apparently has so much more money than we do. I don't know all the answers there. We need to find someone who does.

...guessing they put more emphasis on hoops than we do....just a stab in the dark...money can always be printed when necessary...just ask
EJ

facts are that when a school decides to spend x amount of dollars to get a certain coach and the school the coach is at can't justify spending more to keep the coach then the coach normally walks. The determination does largely depend on priorities in the sports dept. such as which sports are affected by the decision. USM is a football school so if the hiring or retaining of a basketball coach, or expenditure for a basketball issue, affects spending in football too much then basketball isn't going to get it or will get less than needed. It is the goal of USM and most schools to have a balanced sports dept. but it rarely is done and the king sport gets the bucks and benefits.

LE came to USM and was trying to restart his career after being highly regarded, but he screwed up and fell out of favor. USM gave him another chance and he did take advantage of it, and then when the chance game to gain more he did the logical thing and took it. USM could have matched the offer or exceeded it but at the time USM had to hire a football coach, AD, new President, and found out it was dealing with a budget in the red. So obviously the answer was to give an upcoming and promising new coach a chance and let LE walk. It worked out, but like with Fedora and Johnson it went sour instead. When you work with a budget and resources like USM can expect you have to be frugal and spend thrifty.

(02-14-2013 10:30 AM)laureleagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 10:07 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 09:11 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I like Larry, but I think it stinks that another mid-major hired our coach away.

My understanding was that he just didn't like Hattiesburg?

At least you guys replaced him with a hell of a coach.

Exactly. I was a fan of LE, but I'll take Tyndall over LE any day of the week.

I've made it clear that I am a HUGE fan of Coach Eustachy (If i were living on the coast, i'd have been among the batch of Larry's Loonies that went to the basketball game.)

Look at it this way... Coach Eustachy turned his life around, got a second chance at USM, and helped give USM a second chance, by helping turning a basketball laughing stock around to at least a mid-level contender.

Now it's up to Coach T to help us keep that up and improve on the foundation that Coach Eustachy started.


PS: Just seeing Coach Eustachy rip on the CBS reporters who were talking about USF over USM last year was the "icing" on the cake to me... he was brutally honest, and he didn't tolerate stupidity from reporters (and I like that about Monken so far).

I don't think there was any realistic way we could have kept Eustachy. But long-term, we can't be losing coaches to CSU.

My other thought is that maybe we're beneath CSU now because the MWC has surpassed CUSA. It's too bad that merger didn't work out. The main opponents are long gone now.

(02-14-2013 01:54 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I don't think there was any realistic way we could have kept Eustachy. But long-term, we can't be losing coaches to CSU.

My other thought is that maybe we're beneath CSU now because the MWC has surpassed CUSA. It's too bad that merger didn't work out. The main opponents are long gone now.

The thing is you can't generalize too much in this. If USM decides it wants to hire a coach from say New Mexico and decides it will spend more than normal and go really deep into it's coffers to hire him, then they would do it. I don't know what CSU had in mind when going for LE but they could have been willing to pay above normal for them for his services even though it probably cost them elsewhere in the program. It basically is priorities and if you notice you don't see USM head football coaches jumping to a school of equal or slightly better level conference. We only have so much we can put into basketball right now and if this coach works out as well as it appears we can put more on the table to keep him, but time will tell that. Also it is important to note the revenue received by the school is not overwhelming even on C-USA standards, but we are competitive and a contender in most sports. Just think if we could get the support Ole Miss or Miss State gets where we could be if we continue to get the bang for the buck we normally do.

(02-14-2013 02:25 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:54 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I don't think there was any realistic way we could have kept Eustachy. But long-term, we can't be losing coaches to CSU.

My other thought is that maybe we're beneath CSU now because the MWC has surpassed CUSA. It's too bad that merger didn't work out. The main opponents are long gone now.

The thing is you can't generalize too much in this. If USM decides it wants to hire a coach from say New Mexico and decides it will spend more than normal and go really deep into it's coffers to hire him, then they would do it. I don't know what CSU had in mind when going for LE but they could have been willing to pay above normal for them for his services even though it probably cost them elsewhere in the program. It basically is priorities and if you notice you don't see USM head football coaches jumping to a school of equal or slightly better level conference. We only have so much we can put into basketball right now and if this coach works out as well as it appears we can put more on the table to keep him, but time will tell that. Also it is important to note the revenue received by the school is not overwhelming even on C-USA standards, but we are competitive and a contender in most sports. Just think if we could get the support Ole Miss or Miss State gets where we could be if we continue to get the bang for the buck we normally do.

All true; I think we should focus on that budget, though. We raised the money to excise Ellis Johnson, we raised the money to build the Honor House, etc. If we set a goal, we can hit it. We just haven't done it, because we thought winning was enough. I think there's also a perception that we ought to make our money selling tickets... but it doesn't work that way at the really big programs. ECU sells tickets. LSU and Bama sell $1500 bumper stickers instead.

(02-14-2013 02:33 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 02:25 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:54 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I don't think there was any realistic way we could have kept Eustachy. But long-term, we can't be losing coaches to CSU.

My other thought is that maybe we're beneath CSU now because the MWC has surpassed CUSA. It's too bad that merger didn't work out. The main opponents are long gone now.

The thing is you can't generalize too much in this. If USM decides it wants to hire a coach from say New Mexico and decides it will spend more than normal and go really deep into it's coffers to hire him, then they would do it. I don't know what CSU had in mind when going for LE but they could have been willing to pay above normal for them for his services even though it probably cost them elsewhere in the program. It basically is priorities and if you notice you don't see USM head football coaches jumping to a school of equal or slightly better level conference. We only have so much we can put into basketball right now and if this coach works out as well as it appears we can put more on the table to keep him, but time will tell that. Also it is important to note the revenue received by the school is not overwhelming even on C-USA standards, but we are competitive and a contender in most sports. Just think if we could get the support Ole Miss or Miss State gets where we could be if we continue to get the bang for the buck we normally do.

All true; I think we should focus on that budget, though. We raised the money to excise Ellis Johnson, we raised the money to build the Honor House, etc. If we set a goal, we can hit it. We just haven't done it, because we thought winning was enough. I think there's also a perception that we ought to make our money selling tickets... but it doesn't work that way at the really big programs. ECU sells tickets. LSU and Bama sell $1500 bumper stickers instead.

I just responded to this in another post that probably hasn't been up long enough to have been read yet. I again point to the fact you have priorities you have to consider and the level of consideration has to be taken into account. Frankly, basketball isn't going to have the priority football does because football is far and away our major income producer so you put that first. If the offer to keep a coach is such that you can justify putting up the money to do it then you do, but in the case of LE you look and see that at this point in the progression of the program you can hire a first time head coach with strong potential and probably be ok. In football however, we showed with the hiring of EJ that we can make mistakes (although I still can't justify his hiring and blame the former AD for that screw up) but you can pretty well bet Monken if successful as I expect he will be, will be retained if any school of equal or even slightly higher position in the football world is in competition for his services. Now if he does as Bower and passes on a much better contract of a top tier conference then the better for us, but not many do that these days.

Another thing to see your thoughts be the case is if folks start donating say $50 a year to the athletic program in addition to going to games and such. If enough do it (considering the area USM has and the level of income of the average fan of USM that is a tall order but might could happen) then we can raise the level we can pay our basketball coach or our baseball coach. Frankly, we fans can improve it but we have to be willing to make a sacrifice.

Hek, I might send CSU roses today for hiring that ahole away. He never cared for USM, Hattiesburg or anything else around here. Donnie Tyndall loves USM, Hattiesburg and sees a world of potential at USM. I met his parents last weekend. They love Hattiesburg.

(02-14-2013 03:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Hek, I might send CSU roses today for hiring that ahole away. He never cared for USM, Hattiesburg or anything else around here. Donnie Tyndall loves USM, Hattiesburg and sees a world of potential at USM. I met his parents last weekend. They love Hattiesburg.

I'm not sure why people say that. I doubt he likes Fort Collins any better. I do think DT is every bit as good as Larry or anybody else we've had in that job.

All things said I am glad we have the coach we have, and I am satisfied with where we are while wanting to see better in coming years. I wish LE the best and have no problem with his future successes. After all people mean more than sports.

(02-14-2013 01:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 12:54 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 09:11 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I like Larry, but I think it stinks that another mid-major hired our coach away.

I take it you never coached for money. I am happy for him and wish him well because he did some good things for USM and left it better off than M.K. Turk did after building a good program he then ran the ship into an iceberg and sank it. Larry at least left a program that a new coach could work with and not be scandal ridden like Turk left. I also like the coach we got and given some time to establish trails in recruiting and getting some height to compliment the team strengths, I think we are going to do fine, and that is what we really want.

I didn't expect Larry to turn down the money. I do expect our administrators to ask why a supposed peer apparently has so much more money than we do. I don't know all the answers there. We need to find someone who does.

Almost everyone has more money than us. Where have you been for the last five years?

(02-14-2013 03:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Hek, I might send CSU roses today for hiring that ahole away. He never cared for USM, Hattiesburg or anything else around here. Donnie Tyndall loves USM, Hattiesburg and sees a world of potential at USM. I met his parents last weekend. They love Hattiesburg.

Eustachy isn't an a s s hole. He's just a bit shy in social situations (could have contributed to his drinking problem as intoxication makes it easier to overcome shyness).

When I was in high school, I was very shy and years later I found out that some of my classmates thought I was an a s s hole. It turns out that they thought my ignoring them was an indication that I thought I was better than them when in actuality I was too shy to approach them to start conversations.

Good riddance on Eustachy, who, by the way, said USM would be his last stop. He was not a good coach and stepped into a world of talent at Colorado State. When they are gone, we will see how good he really is.

(02-15-2013 08:49 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Good riddance on Eustachy, who, by the way, said USM would be his last stop. He was not a good coach and stepped into a world of talent at Colorado State. When they are gone, we will see how good he really is.

you don't get laid do you?? wow, nice response...