(03-28-2013 05:51 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:34 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I've never been to El Paso. But I would think that a school whose students are 70% Hispanic-American, 10% Mexican citizens, and 20% "other" would root for futbol, not football.

I vote this "The Most Ignorant Post of Year!"

It would be a pretty close race, with the original post.

Ya have to wonder if UTEP and Rice have been in contact with the MWC as a pair? Utep is probably in if a good partner could be found. BYU is who the conference wants as that partner but I don't see that happening

(03-28-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote:  Ya have to wonder if UTEP and Rice have been in contact with the MWC as a pair? Utep is probably in if a good partner could be found. BYU is who the conference wants as that partner but I don't see that happening

But why would the MWC expand to 14? UTEP and Rice as a package won't move the needle that much when it comes to increasing the TV deal. Now if BYU showed interest then getting to #14 would make sense but BYU as an independent makes more money than they would as a MWC member.

UTEP's chances in getting invited to the MWC died the day Cal State-San Diego decided to go back to the MWC. If I remember correctly, SDSU was given until February 1st once Boise went back to either stay in the Big East or go back to the MWC under no penalty.....otherwise another school (which more than likely was UTEP) would get the 12th spot in the MWC. I don't think C-TBD would show any interest in us and I'm sure SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, etc would block us.

UTEP will be in C-USA for a long time. We just have to make the best of it and win in football and basketball.

(03-28-2013 06:14 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 05:51 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:34 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I've never been to El Paso. But I would think that a school whose students are 70% Hispanic-American, 10% Mexican citizens, and 20% "other" would root for futbol, not football.

I vote this "The Most Ignorant Post of Year!"

It would be a pretty close race, with the original post.

Ironically, UTEP does not sponsor men's soccer. Neither baseball which is weird considering the tons of HS baseball talent that El Paso has.

(03-28-2013 10:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote:  Ya have to wonder if UTEP and Rice have been in contact with the MWC as a pair? Utep is probably in if a good partner could be found. BYU is who the conference wants as that partner but I don't see that happening

But why would the MWC expand to 14? UTEP and Rice as a package won't move the needle that much when it comes to increasing the TV deal. Now if BYU showed interest then getting to #14 would make sense but BYU as an independent makes more money than they would as a MWC member.

UTEP's chances in getting invited to the MWC died the day Cal State-San Diego decided to go back to the MWC. If I remember correctly, SDSU was given until February 1st once Boise went back to either stay in the Big East or go back to the MWC under no penalty.....otherwise another school (which more than likely was UTEP) would get the 12th spot in the MWC. I don't think C-TBD would show any interest in us and I'm sure SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, etc would block us.

UTEP will be in C-USA for a long time. We just have to make the best of it and win in football and basketball.

Yep. We are not going anywhere for a while.

Good thing our fan base will still follow the program.

(03-28-2013 10:55 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 10:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote:  Ya have to wonder if UTEP and Rice have been in contact with the MWC as a pair? Utep is probably in if a good partner could be found. BYU is who the conference wants as that partner but I don't see that happening

But why would the MWC expand to 14? UTEP and Rice as a package won't move the needle that much when it comes to increasing the TV deal. Now if BYU showed interest then getting to #14 would make sense but BYU as an independent makes more money than they would as a MWC member.

UTEP's chances in getting invited to the MWC died the day Cal State-San Diego decided to go back to the MWC. If I remember correctly, SDSU was given until February 1st once Boise went back to either stay in the Big East or go back to the MWC under no penalty.....otherwise another school (which more than likely was UTEP) would get the 12th spot in the MWC. I don't think C-TBD would show any interest in us and I'm sure SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, etc would block us.

UTEP will be in C-USA for a long time. We just have to make the best of it and win in football and basketball.

Yep. We are not going anywhere for a while.

Good thing our fan base will still follow the program.

I expect UTEP to lead C-USA in football and basketball attendance if that means something anymore. We're one the very very rare nonAQ's that's capable of averaging 40k/10k in both revenue sports and have the sellouts (52k/12k).

(03-28-2013 06:27 PM)billings Wrote:  Ya have to wonder if UTEP and Rice have been in contact with the MWC as a pair? Utep is probably in if a good partner could be found. BYU is who the conference wants as that partner but I don't see that happening

When BSU and SDSU appeared to be headed to the nBE, there were lots of reports, rumors, talk about Tulsa, Rice or UTEP being in line to get those 2 spots. Obviously, things changed quickly when those 2 went back to the MWC.

If one opening occurs in the MWC then UTEP might be the choice, otherwise I think UTEP will be ok in the nCUSA. Time will tell but I'm still excited about next FB season, a new coach, 2 games vs MWC teams. Should be fun.

UTEP has a great program. The biggest thing a school can have is real fan support.

Their best bet is to make it to the MWC somehow along with maybe BYU

(02-12-2013 09:58 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Commitment is measured today largely by coaching salaries. Cincinnati can't make 50k/12k in attendance either yet they are paying their head football coach 3 million a year.

Tulsa, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Houston have all gone out and signed football and basketball coaches in the 1-2 million range. This is what the Mountain West is going to be looking for.

CUSA is going to end up UTEP, UTSA, TX St, UNT in the state of Texas eventually.

Cincy is run by idiots.

You should send them a resume.

(03-28-2013 10:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 06:14 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 05:51 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 01:34 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I've never been to El Paso. But I would think that a school whose students are 70% Hispanic-American, 10% Mexican citizens, and 20% "other" would root for futbol, not football.

I vote this "The Most Ignorant Post of Year!"

It would be a pretty close race, with the original post.

Ironically, UTEP does not sponsor men's soccer. Neither baseball which is weird considering the tons of HS baseball talent that El Paso has.

Wow, that is ironic. I guess UTPA with having to start men's soccer for moving to the WAC will get some good recruits in Texas. Isn't there only 2 major universities that sponsor men's soccer in Texas?

(03-29-2013 10:59 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 09:58 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Commitment is measured today largely by coaching salaries. Cincinnati can't make 50k/12k in attendance either yet they are paying their head football coach 3 million a year.

Tulsa, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Houston have all gone out and signed football and basketball coaches in the 1-2 million range. This is what the Mountain West is going to be looking for.

CUSA is going to end up UTEP, UTSA, TX St, UNT in the state of Texas eventually.

Cincy is run by idiots.

You should send them a resume.

Would still be underqualified.

(02-12-2013 10:46 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  After UTEP being in CUSA for quite a while and reading their fans posts.... I have doubts that UTEP would seriously consider the MWC. Whether the MWC invites or talks to them about joining is another matter.

I think our chances are slim PTNC.... But for someone who's handle is named after purses, roots for High Fashion, likes Ohio, and has a chunky version of Steve Lavin in his avatar, claiming that he/she knows what is best for the MWC and whether UTEP has made a commitment to its athletics?

IN looking at my month old post and this direct response.... I still can't see UTEP wanting to move. And I still couldn't rule out a invite from the MWC. UTEP could position themselves with a better tv deal, more market areas to put the UTEP brand out there, arguably better bowl allotment, and a healthy selection of Texas teams to keep the home fires burning.

I also couldn't see why the MWC would go for adding Rice/UTEP based on what the have there already.

If any UTEP fans think I am off base I'd love to hear it. I just think economically and competitively they are in a better position in CUSA.

(03-29-2013 09:05 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:46 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  After UTEP being in CUSA for quite a while and reading their fans posts.... I have doubts that UTEP would seriously consider the MWC. Whether the MWC invites or talks to them about joining is another matter.

I think our chances are slim PTNC.... But for someone who's handle is named after purses, roots for High Fashion, likes Ohio, and has a chunky version of Steve Lavin in his avatar, claiming that he/she knows what is best for the MWC and whether UTEP has made a commitment to its athletics?

IN looking at my month old post and this direct response.... I still can't see UTEP wanting to move. And I still couldn't rule out a invite from the MWC. UTEP could position themselves with a better tv deal, more market areas to put the UTEP brand out there, arguably better bowl allotment, and a healthy selection of Texas teams to keep the home fires burning.
I also couldn't see why the MWC would go for adding Rice/UTEP based on what the have there already.

If any UTEP fans think I am off base I'd love to hear it. I just think economically and competitively they are in a better position in CUSA.

I agree with your point that the MWC has no reason to go past 12. Only if their tv partners wanted it and I doubt they do. They would have to lose someone for UTEP to get an invite, I'm pretty sure.

I'm assuming the bolded text is you saying that UTEP would have all those things in CUSA so why move if an invite did come. I believe UTEP would move due to the stronger basketball in the MWC, the old rivals that still prompt UTEP fans to by more tickets when they show up as an opponent in El Paso, etc. The tv deal is a little better in the MWC, not sure how much for the average school, but a bit better I believe. UTEP would be middle of the pack in the MWC in budget and coaches salaries. The fans would know the competition very well still.

In CUSA we would have all the Texas connections, many new faces and I think an overall better top tier in basketball. Memphis gone hurts, but new blood that ups the rpi all around will help.

Both conferences will do about the same for bowls, I believe, but the rivalries would be better in the MWC for UTEP. Rice would be the rival I would miss most if they or UTEP leaves without the other followed by UAB in basketball.

(03-28-2013 10:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Ironically, UTEP does not sponsor men's soccer. Neither baseball which is weird considering the tons of HS baseball talent that El Paso has.

It seems likely that travel costs are a big factor pushing UTEP to doing the minimum number of sports allowed by the NCAA for an FBS school.

UTEP is just about 50/50 M/F, so have to offer just about 1/1 M/F scholarships. They need 85 scholarship offsets for FBS football. They use softball (12 scholarships FTE), women's soccer (14 FTE) volleyball (12 head count), women's rifle and women's tennis, as Title IX offsets for its 85 head count football scholarships. They are at the minimum number of men's sports with BBall and FB as their men's team sports, Cross Country, Indoor Track, Outdor Track and Golf to round out their six men's sports, for a total of 17.1 maximum additional scholarships (though they probably under-offer men's scholarships in track and golf).

Either soccer (9.9 scholarships) or baseball (11.7 scholarships) would require at least one Title IX offset, and since their "natural" pair is already being used to offset football, the travel costs might be high. For instance, field hockey allows 12 scholarships, so adding women's field hockey would allow them to add baseball, but then they need to pay for the travel of a women's field hockey team.