(02-12-2013 05:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:17 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  what's their record?

They are 15-7 and a RPI of 36 with games left to make it better.

The troll arguments keep getting more and more pathetic. The win against #22 UNLV versus #48 USM is more than offset by the 17 point loss to #159 Texas. You aren't Labliveon for nothing.

Memphis Losses
39 VCU
19 Minnesota
9 Louisville

67 Cumulative

UNC Losses
81 Virginia
159 Texas

You know what offsets UNC's one bad loss (on the road no less)?

A SOS that is 80 spots ahead of ours and is going to get better.

UNC has one top 50 win, as do we. They have a much worse record against the top 50, and two bad losses (one very bad loss to Texas).

You don't get "rewarded" for simply playing a tough SOS, you actually have to win games.

We have a top 50 win for now. If USM loses to someone other than us, then USM will fall.

More importantly, UNC has 3 more shots at top 20 RPI teams, and three additional shots at top 100 RPI teams.

We have no games against top 20... A game against a top 50 team who might not be top 50 by the time we play again, and 4 games against top 100 teams.

We can go 8-0 in our remaining games and UNC can go 5-3 in their remaining games and probably end up with a better NCAA seed than us.

(02-12-2013 05:33 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:17 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  They are 15-7 and a RPI of 36 with games left to make it better.

The troll arguments keep getting more and more pathetic. The win against #22 UNLV versus #48 USM is more than offset by the 17 point loss to #159 Texas. You aren't Labliveon for nothing.

Memphis Losses
39 VCU
19 Minnesota
9 Louisville

67 Cumulative

UNC Losses
81 Virginia
159 Texas

You know what offsets UNC's one bad loss (on the road no less)?

A SOS that is 80 spots ahead of ours and is going to get better.

UNC has one top 50 win, as do we. They have a much worse record against the top 50, and two bad losses (one very bad loss to Texas).

You don't get "rewarded" for simply playing a tough SOS, you actually have to win games.

We have a top 50 win for now. If USM loses to someone other than us, then USM will fall.

Yep keep rooting for the worst possible outcome so you can be right...Gotta love it.

USM with 3 more losses in the regular season projects right below the 50 line.

(02-12-2013 04:43 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:20 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:18 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 12:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  Says we might be a bubble team if the season ended today.

Says we could miss the tourney with one more loss.

Says if we win out we'd be an 8 seed.

Don't kill the messenger.

We WILL make the tourney with not only one more loss, but two more losses. Anyone that want to bet me this, I am more than willing. Just PM me. I may even give you odds.

Too tough. Could lose two more and win CUSA tournament and you get lucked out. Nice try.

I'm sure he wasn't saying this cheerleader boy.

Aw that's cute.

You know it really seems you are lookin' down at little ole Memphis since you have started attending IU.

(02-12-2013 05:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:33 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The troll arguments keep getting more and more pathetic. The win against #22 UNLV versus #48 USM is more than offset by the 17 point loss to #159 Texas. You aren't Labliveon for nothing.

Memphis Losses
39 VCU
19 Minnesota
9 Louisville

67 Cumulative

UNC Losses
81 Virginia
159 Texas

You know what offsets UNC's one bad loss (on the road no less)?

A SOS that is 80 spots ahead of ours and is going to get better.

UNC has one top 50 win, as do we. They have a much worse record against the top 50, and two bad losses (one very bad loss to Texas).

You don't get "rewarded" for simply playing a tough SOS, you actually have to win games.

We have a top 50 win for now. If USM loses to someone other than us, then USM will fall.

Yep keep rooting for the worst possible outcome so you can be right...Gotta love it.

USM with 3 more losses in the regular season projects right below the 50 line.

I'm not rooting for the worst possible outcome. I'm being realistic. When your hopes rely on USM to do something it hasn't done all year (beat a top 100 RPI team), that is not a good thing.

Didn't choose the conference games.

Do people really think they are presenting shocking new information when posting that Memphis has no top tier wins??

Everyone knows that.

Point is- instead of the team being pu$$ies about that, they moved on to play who was in front of them, and have won them all. When the season is over will the fact that Memphis may have no top 25 or possibly even top 50 wins matter?

Yes.

Does that mean fans should be pu$$ies?

No.

If 6-3, can you be better than 20-3 after the next 14 games?

No.

Do we wish we could magically turn Marshall into a top ten team?

Of course.

Even scheduling Xavier, a perennial top tier team, did not work, because this year, in spite of their recent history, they are down.

Their 4 RPI season rankings before we scheduled them?
22, 19, 17, 9

We added that game, like Gonzaga, to get an extra tough game during conference season.

The best the team can do right now...after the next game, is to win it. Beating UCF will not be the same thing as beating Duke. But no wins are automatic, UCF is good (not great), and you would think that winning makes you net better than if you lost.

Looking forward to 21-3.

The stats this year will not dictate a super high seed. The record and the way the team plays and looks, may.

Moan if you want...or...recognize the lack of top tier wins may hurt, but enjoy the crap out of winning!

Baby.

(02-12-2013 05:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:43 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:20 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:18 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We WILL make the tourney with not only one more loss, but two more losses. Anyone that want to bet me this, I am more than willing. Just PM me. I may even give you odds.

Too tough. Could lose two more and win CUSA tournament and you get lucked out. Nice try.

I'm sure he wasn't saying this cheerleader boy.

Aw that's cute.

You know it really seems you are lookin' down at little ole Memphis since you have started attending IU.

it's a pretty good time to be a basketball fan at IU. They are very good. I don't think they're going all the way personally, but still

(02-12-2013 01:52 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:16 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  What he is pretty much saying is that if Memphis were 30-3 going into the C-USA tournament finals they would still not be assured of an at-large bid to the Dance. They would be 30-3 with a RPI around #15 and probably ranked in the top 10 and this hack says they would be on the freaking bubble. And people still think this guy is not biased?

Anyone with an ounce of college basketball intelligence knows better. Why allow him the free space in your head. Come March, he'll look like an idiot if our teams take care of business. He's got to pimp the high dollar programs who will probably show up on Selection Sunday with 9 or 10 losses and looking for a hand-out.

completely agree.

(02-12-2013 05:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:43 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:20 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:18 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We WILL make the tourney with not only one more loss, but two more losses. Anyone that want to bet me this, I am more than willing. Just PM me. I may even give you odds.

Too tough. Could lose two more and win CUSA tournament and you get lucked out. Nice try.

I'm sure he wasn't saying this cheerleader boy.

Aw that's cute.

You know it really seems you are lookin' down at little ole Memphis since you have started attending IU.

Nah. My heart is always gonna be by the river. I remember when we played UTK in January and all my friends were over at the apartment wanting to watch a movie or some bs and I was like no were watching this game. Still love my Tigers. It's just a great time to cheer for Indiana right now.

(02-12-2013 05:31 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:02 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:38 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:18 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We WILL make the tourney with not only one more loss, but two more losses. Anyone that want to bet me this, I am more than willing. Just PM me. I may even give you odds.

If your bet is, "Memphis loses two more games and still makes the tournament as an at-large team," then I will take it as well.

$50; with one of the losses being in the CUSA Tournament. Confirm.

Same here. I will even give you 5-1 odds.

Damn. We'll see if fishman has enough stones to pull the trigger.

Explain the odds thing to me. I'm still a young one :(

(02-12-2013 05:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:24 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:17 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  They are 15-7 and a RPI of 36 with games left to make it better.

The troll arguments keep getting more and more pathetic. The win against #22 UNLV versus #48 USM is more than offset by the 17 point loss to #159 Texas. You aren't Labliveon for nothing.

Memphis Losses
39 VCU
19 Minnesota
9 Louisville

67 Cumulative

UNC Losses
81 Virginia
159 Texas

You know what offsets UNC's one bad loss (on the road no less)?

A SOS that is 80 spots ahead of ours and is going to get better.

SOS doesn't mean s**t if you lose most of the games.

You know the 14 game win streak Memphis has? The losses to UVA and Texas show that without a shadow of a doubt UNC WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT!!!!!!!

So I guess winning 68% of the games on the 29th toughest schedule must mean alot then.

You hate Pastner so much that you will do ANYTHING to belittle his accomplishments (and yes, you do seem to hate him no matter what you say). Memphis is 20-3, on a 14 game winning streak, and ranked in the top 25.

Everyone else in the country must be wrong and you right. Everyone else knows Memphis is GOOD.

When you say that you want a coach gone then you no longer have a subjective view on things. You WANT Josh to fail so he'll leave.

I know you think Josh should have 16 top 25 wins and 8 final fours by now but the fact is that he's a good coach and not going anywhere.

This isn't fair Stammers. You should be ashamed.

(02-12-2013 08:13 PM)transitt Wrote:  You hate Pastner so much that you will do ANYTHING to belittle his accomplishments (and yes, you do seem to hate him no matter what you say).

Josh Pastner's accomplishment? He's done an EXCELLENT job of recruiting. I have said that plenty of times.

Do I think winning CUSA is anything worth bragging about? No. CUSA is full of teams with less talent than you. They might play better as a team, but if you have the Tigers in order, you should not be losing to the team in CUSA. Last year (when the top teams in CUSA were better) or this year.

Quote:Memphis is 20-3, on a 14 game winning streak, and ranked in the top 25.

I asked you on the other thread.

What is the signature win?

I'm guessing you'll say Southern Miss, but Southern Miss is a hollow win because Southern Miss hasn't proven how good they are against any team equal or better than them. Unfortunately its a problem we have too because we squandered our opportunities in the Atlantis tournament and against Louisville.

Quote:Everyone else in the country must be wrong and you right. Everyone else knows Memphis is GOOD.

Let's get something clear... I have not said that the Tigers aren't any good. I said we don't have anything to prove that. We don't have the quality wins to show how good we are. We are good beating teams that are not good.

I don't have big expectations in the NCAA because my doubts of Pastner's coaching ability, but this team has players good enough to make a final four run.

This team has more talent than most of Calipari's teams, including the first two NCAA teams.

Quote:When you say that you want a coach gone then you no longer have a subjective view on things. You WANT Josh to fail so he'll leave.

I don't want Pastner to fail. I would be overjoyed to be wrong about his coaching ability. I'm a Tiger fan. I want to get back to the Final Four again. Just because I'm not optimistic about the prospects doesn't mean I don't want it.

In the same very, I think I am quite objective on this seeding issue. I think most of you people countering me are completely subjective on a very obvious issue. Before the winning streak, every one knew we wasted our last change to beat a high end opponent, and now people are pollyannish about the fact our wins have not been anything special.

Quote:I know you think Josh should have 16 top 25 wins and 8 final fours by now but the fact is that he's a good coach and not going anywhere.

I think he should have 1... at least. We shouldn't have lost to Saint Louis. We shouldn't have lost to VCU. We shouldn't have lost to Minnesota. We could have beaten Louisville. We have had talent to win those games.

How is it that Pastner gets a pass for beating teams that aren't NCAA tournament quality teams?

At least last year, we beat better teams, though none were world beaters. If we win all these conference games (and the one at Xavier), get a 9 or 10 seed and lose the NCAA game, then we lay an egg in year one in the Big East, who's going to want to hire Pastner?

We did beat Louisville....just not Louisville AND the referees.

(02-12-2013 09:30 PM)transitt Wrote:  We did beat Louisville....just not Louisville AND the referees.

Ok... And if we had beaten Louisville, and had that signature, quality win, we'd be in better position for seeding.

(02-12-2013 09:35 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 09:30 PM)transitt Wrote:  We did beat Louisville....just not Louisville AND the referees.

Ok... And if we had beaten Louisville, and had that signature, quality win, we'd be in better position for seeding.

No one is disputing that. No one is disputing that Pastner needs bigger wins or that he needs tournament success.

The problem is that you have such a dislike for the guy (and no matter what you say, when it is becoming obvious to so many) that you try to downplay or spin EVERYTHING to a negative light.

You cannot on one hand say that Pastner doesn't have a top 50 win and then when he gets one say 'Well, they haven't beaten anyone either so it doesn't count.'. I don't know if you actually WATCHED the game Saturday but USM is a good team.

The MAJORITY of things with this program Pastner has done very well. I don't get how you can pass judgement on his career less than 4 seasons in.


Memphis is 20-3, ranked, and has a 14 game winning streak. Somehow, everyone is excited but you. What do you think that says?

(02-12-2013 09:46 PM)transitt Wrote:  No one is disputing that. No one is disputing that Pastner needs bigger wins or that he needs tournament success.

OK... Simple as that.

Quote:The problem is that you have such a dislike for the guy (and no matter what you say, when it is becoming obvious to so many) that you try to downplay or spin EVERYTHING to a negative light.

Exactly how am I spinning we have no quality wins in a negative light?

Quote:You cannot on one hand say that Pastner doesn't have a top 50 win and then when he gets one say 'Well, they haven't beaten anyone either so it doesn't count.'. I don't know if you actually WATCHED the game Saturday but USM is a good team.

USM is a good team... Ok.
WHO HAVE THEY BEAT?
ARE THEY GOING TO GET INTO THE NCAA AS AN AT-LARGE TEAM?

Quote:The MAJORITY of things with this program Pastner has done very well. I don't get how you can pass judgement on his career less than 4 seasons in.

I'm just worried about performance. We should have won top 25 games last year and this with the talent he has recruited. Pastner is great as recruiting and PR, but when he has gotten a challenge on the court he has faltered.

Quote:Memphis is 20-3, ranked, and has a 14 game winning streak. Somehow, everyone is excited but you. What do you think that says?

So what is going undefeated the rest of the season going to get us?

These discussions the last two days have been about the seeding and why we shouldn't be expecting a better than average seed in NCAA despite having a long winning streak going into the NCAA tournament.

Didn't realize Latilleon was taking it on the chin in multiple threads. He's not stating anything that's incorrect, folks. Take emotion out of it.

And question - so when we were losing and fans were saying 'Josh didn't miss free throws, or Josh didn't turn the ball over 12 times"....well, does Coach get credit for the wins now? Or is it the players?

Funny pickle. That's why message boards are fun.

Josh came out of the gate in a coma again this year. Since then he's done a good job. Up til Saturday (good win and Josh deserves a lot of the credit) we beat basically nobody. The Louisville game though may have been his best for preparing the team as any game he's coached since he started. We really got screwed. Part of that is his fault for jumping on Patino's knob and allowing it to happen. He should of went apeshit. I don't care how nice a guy he's supposed to be. You have to protect your team. They'll fight for you when you do. Oh well he's learning.

(02-12-2013 11:34 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  Josh came out of the gate in a coma again this year. Since then he's done a good job. Up til Saturday (good win and Josh deserves a lot of the credit) we beat basically nobody. The Louisville game though may have been his best for preparing the team as any game he's coached since he started. We really got screwed. Part of that is his fault for jumping on Patino's knob and allowing it to happen. He should of went apeshit. I don't care how nice a guy he's supposed to be. You have to protect your team. They'll fight for you when you do. Oh well he's learning.

Can't dispute this.

(02-12-2013 08:02 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:31 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 04:02 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 03:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 01:38 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  If your bet is, "Memphis loses two more games and still makes the tournament as an at-large team," then I will take it as well.

$50; with one of the losses being in the CUSA Tournament. Confirm.

Same here. I will even give you 5-1 odds.

Damn. We'll see if fishman has enough stones to pull the trigger.

Explain the odds thing to me. I'm still a young one :(

Say if we bet 100 bucks with 5-1 in your favor. This means if I win I get 100 bucks. If you win you get 600 bucks. You get your 100 bucks back, plus 5 more. So 600 bucks. PM me if you want to do this. We can do any amount you want.