http://deadspin.com/5983592/im-down-for-...ning-coach

Just read this article on Deadspin about the former Toledo running coach, Kevin Hadsell.

Crazy story. Definitely worth the read.

This guy just seems so scummy.

Anyone from Toledo know this guy?

(02-12-2013 08:00 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  http://deadspin.com/5983592/im-down-for-...ning-coach

Just read this article on Deadspin about the former Toledo running coach, Kevin Hadsell.

Crazy story. Definitely worth the read.

This guy just seems so scummy.

Anyone from Toledo know this guy?

Only to say "Hi" but I know people who do know him well and opinion is divided re: the veracity of much of this. The guy was loyal to UT, a great coach and a guy who was there for his family. That much I know. I suspect we'll hear more.

I'm sure more will come out, but no one looks very good in that story, including your athletic department officials.

I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

(02-12-2013 08:38 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

You're right, but you know how much they like to get involved in things that they have no real reason to get involved with.

(02-12-2013 08:58 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:38 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

You're right, but you know how much they like to get involved in things that they have no real reason to get involved with.

The NCAA would get involved if there was some evidence that athletic dept. knew what was going on and did nothing about it, although that doesn't appear to be the case here.

I'm trying to wrap my head around how a website like Deadspin has broken two college stories in the last month.

Everything you thought you knew about Deadspin was wrong!

(02-12-2013 09:49 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I'm trying to wrap my head around how a website like Deadspin has broken two college stories in the last month.

Deadspin has hungry young reporters who want to break big stories. They dig deep.

They are good for one or two pretty large stories every month.

I know everyone always wants to criticize Deadspin and Gawker Media, but they have the balls to report on stories that ESPN doesn't like to touch.

NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

They clearly deserve way more credit than I ever gave them.

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

The story and allegations have been out there for weeks. Now, somebody prints a bunch of stuff and suddenly the school that investigated and forced the guy's resignation weeks ago needs to face it head on? Great idea!

This guy sounds like a real piece of ****.....Looks like he'd fit in here.

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

Take a look at "BigMac's" post over on the UT board in the Coach Hadsell thread. He's the father of a UT runner. Interesting post.

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Point shaving scheme involving multiple sports...former basketball coach running income to the program "off the books" from the rest of the University...Coach "slap and tickle" running the track program...what kind of a sewer athletic program are they running in Toledo?

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

The story and allegations have been out there for weeks. Now, somebody prints a bunch of stuff and suddenly the school that investigated and forced the guy's resignation weeks ago needs to face it head on? Great idea!

I would assume they have been facing it head on already, I meant in terms of the national attention a story on Deadspin gets.

I agree that they have taken the right steps so far.

(02-12-2013 08:38 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

(02-12-2013 10:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

Take a look at "BigMac's" post over on the UT board in the Coach Hadsell thread. She's the mother of a UT runner. Interesting post.

In reading "Big Mac"'s post I definitely see the Coach is held in high regard, and rightfully so- her daughter(s) never encountered any of the questionable actions purported by this article and BM's post seems to paint a picture of a scorned or angry runner with a vendetta for the Coach.

If that is the case, what is BM's opinion of the athletic department? If there is no just cause for a firing of a highly successful coach why force a resignation? What exactly did the Coach admit to when stepping down?

Also, perhaps a minor point of interest here, but something I'm curious about- I see he was highly successful in winning MAC Women's Championships, but was he not also the men's coach? What are his accolades on the men's side?

(02-12-2013 11:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:38 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

(02-12-2013 10:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention
providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

Take a look at "BigMac's" post over on the UT board in the Coach Hadsell thread. She's the mother of a UT runner. Interesting post

In reading "Big Mac"'s post I definitely see the Coach is held in high regard, and rightfully so- her daughter(s) never encountered any of the questionable actions purported by this article and BM's post seems to paint a picture of a scorned or angry runner with a vendetta for the Coach.

If that is the case, what is BM's opinion of the athletic department? If there is no just cause for a firing of a highly successful coach why force a resignation? What exactly did the Coach admit to when stepping down
Also, perhaps a minor point of interest here, but something I'm curious about- I see he was highly successful in winning MAC Women's Championships, but was he not also the men's coach? What are his accolades on the men's side?

Big Mac is the father of a couple former runners and a great guy. Hadsell, like most men's coaches in his situation, could hardly be expected to have much success when UT has no track program. In spite of that he turned a moribund men's program (of which I was once a part) into a respectable MAC team. Recruiting under the radar guys he has been ablt to be a middle of the pack or slightly better xcountry team at the MAC level.