How much money could UConn and Cincy get going to their local markets and selling the rights to their football product? 2 million?

There is no eyeball advantage of playing East Carolina instead of Northern Illinois in Harrison, OH.

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

Things would be so much easier if everyone played football... ...or if everyone simply saved their football money and put it into the olympic sports programs.

You might just get your wish and see a conference with C7 + Cincy + UConn + Butler. I just don't think it's going to come easily.

That football conference is the MAC if those two are free agents.

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

Things would be so much easier if everyone played football... ...or if everyone simply saved their football money and put it into the olympic sports programs.

You might just get your wish and see a conference with C7 + Cincy + UConn + Butler. I just don't think it's going to come easily.

The MAC did just send a team to the orange bowl. Though, it might hurt those schools recruiting and exposure if they joined.

(02-13-2013 09:31 AM)Title Wrote:  That football conference is the MAC if those two are free agents.

Are you saying that the nBE - (UConn + Cincy) = MAC? In terms of football that's still a bit of a stretch. UCF, Houston, USF, and ECU would properly wreck the MAC.

The nBE isn't necessarily that good - and the TV deal reflects that. I just don't think it's as bad as the MAC.

Cincy have spent a LOT of money to fuel that football program. They might not be able to tolerate the MAC for even a short period of time.

I honestly think if Cincy were to temporarily join the C7 that they'd park their football team in the Mountain West. That's at least a decent conference in terms of football - and even has some nice little years here and there.

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the ACC in basketball than the NBE is in football.

The nBE isn't going to last anyway, so this is a stupid conversation to have. There will likely be 1-2 new conferences after this is all said and done. Those conferences will ultimately reflect the attitudes and programs of the mid-majors that are involved in them.

There are too many splinters in the current nBE for it to function. If the C7 were smart, they'd decide AGAINST paying for the name - and instead just simply wait until the nBe remnants whittle away so they can get it for nothing in an acquisition of sorts.

(02-13-2013 09:45 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The nBE isn't going to last anyway...

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. As long as...

Tulane doesn't want to be with LT, ULL, ULM
SMU doesn't want to be with UNT
Memphis doesn't want to be with MTSU
UAB doesn't want to be with Troy
Cincinnati doesn't want to be with MAC teams
Southern Miss wants to be above Sun Belt teams...

those six, plus UCF, USF and ECU, give you a league. Lose one or two, add one or two--UTSA, Marshall, UMass, James Madison, whoever.

A lot of what you mentioned will absolutely still exist come 5-10 years from now - it's just that once Cincy and UConn find a more permanent home the C7 will then swoop in and take the Big East name.

This will mean that 1-2 new conferences will need to be formed in order to keep certain schools away from others.

(02-13-2013 10:14 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  A lot of what you mentioned will absolutely still exist come 5-10 years from now - it's just that once Cincy and UConn find a more permanent home the C7 will then swoop in and take the Big East name.

This will mean that 1-2 new conferences will need to be formed in order to keep certain schools away from others.

You can call it a new conference, or you can call it renaming your conference, either way. The point is, as long as some lower-FBS schools don't want to associate with other, nearby lower-FBS schools, that's enough to keep a league together.

SMU and UCF may not have much in common institutionally, but the shared bond is being "better than" FIU and UNT. You keep talking about the rifts in the Aresco League breaking it up, which would only make sense if there were enough acceptable partners for each side to cobble a league together. SMU, Tulane, Rice, Tulsa fit together as rich southern private schools, but that's the end of the list. UCF, USF, ECU, UConn, Cincy--big eastern public schools with football fanbases, and that's the end of THAT list. The Eastern Publics _could_ bring in UMass, Buffalo, ODU, Charlotte, but those aren't very appealing options.

(02-10-2013 11:51 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:25 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:08 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Nobody wants to watch Connecticut play SMU. That's the problem they have. The top football brand is Cincinnati, they have a decent football brand, but they're no where near a national level. Last season, the two Big East teams with the most nationally televised games were Syracuse and Pitt. Louisville was third. The ACC picked the three of them up.

In basketball they have a few great brands, the best being UConn. The problem is that after Connecticut, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, and maybe Houston, the brand power becomes extremely low.

The brand power is too low and the geographic base is too wide. They don't have a strong presence in any region making their narrative hard to define. Currently it is the leftovers which isn't an appealing narrative.

You should really move to the MidWest or East coast, you'll be surprised what these "weak" brands like UConn bring to the table.

They have a great name in basketball, but they do not bring a lot in football, even in the northeast.

For some reason, they've convinced themselves that they are going to get 10 million for Tier 2 rights.

Assuming NBC's offer isn't for everything (it probably is), they'd literally get closer to 10 dollars than 10 million. Maybe 2 or 3 (max)?

I don't get the disconnect. Why would anyone pay for that programming? ESPN gets as much high school as they want for free. Any Top 15 HS game is as intriguing as anything they'd offer Tier 2.

(02-18-2013 10:38 AM)Title Wrote:  For some reason, they've convinced themselves that they are going to get 10 million for Tier 2 rights.

Assuming NBC's offer isn't for everything (it probably is), they'd literally get closer to 10 dollars than 10 million. Maybe 2 or 3 (max)?

I don't get the disconnect. Why would anyone pay for that programming? ESPN gets as much high school as they want for free. Any Top 15 HS game is as intriguing as anything they'd offer Tier 2.

The CUSA tier one contract is for 7 million dollars. The CUSA tier two contract is for 7 million dollars. So, a second tier offer thats just half of the first tier offer is actually quite reasonable. That said, since we have no idea what NBC is not buying, its hard to determine what the value range could be. Also, keep in mind, that the NBC offer is not the highest dollar amount. However, while the NBC offer was not the high offer, it apparantly includes much better placement, slots on NBC-OTA, and a guaranteed heavy promotional package---things which made it the preferred offer. So, its clear that much of the value of the NBC offer is in non-cash form. Thus, its not necessarily true that the NBC 20 million dollar nBE offer represents the actual cash value that would be considered from a Turner, Fox-Sports 2 or CBS-Sports--or even ESPN for that matter. While initially, the NBC offer is very dissappointing, the truth is, there are still alot of unkown variables that could make it better. Right now, however, if the 20 million dollar NBC offer to the nBE is for everything---it pretty much blows--especialy in light of the C-7 4 million dollar per team offer.

(02-13-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the A10 in basketball than the NBE is to the MAC in football.

FIFY

(02-18-2013 11:14 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the A10 in basketball than the NBE is to the MAC in football.

FIFY

The best teams in the notBE lost to the teams in the MAC. The C7 destroy teams in the A-10. A-10 is having one hell of a year but when the best teams in that conference are now part of the C7, that puts the C7 conference in conversation as best conference in the country. It will definitely be B1G, ACC, then C7, Big12, A10, notBE, Pac 12, and down the line. The division between the B1G/ACC is clear. After the C7, the Big 12 and is a distant 4th with A10 and not BE a little ways behind them. Nice try Homer but have fun with the MAC.

(02-18-2013 11:14 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the A10 in basketball than the NBE is to the MAC in football.

FIFY

The deal was no more Johnbragg and Redman on the BE board, no Homer on the C7 board. So the C-7 board has its first ban.

(02-18-2013 06:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The deal was no more Johnbragg and Redman on the BE board, no Homer on the C7 board. So the C-7 board has its first ban.

Hail Hail the Witch is Dead!!!

(02-18-2013 12:38 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:14 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:14 AM)Title Wrote:  Yes, it would take a ton of convincing.

Or...a phone call.

The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the A10 in basketball than the NBE is to the MAC in football.

FIFY

The best teams in the notBE lost to the teams in the MAC. The C7 destroy teams in the A-10. A-10 is having one hell of a year but when the best teams in that conference are now part of the C7, that puts the C7 conference in conversation as best conference in the country. It will definitely be B1G, ACC, then C7, Big12, A10, notBE, Pac 12, and down the line. The division between the B1G/ACC is clear. After the C7, the Big 12 and is a distant 4th with A10 and not BE a little ways behind them. Nice try Homer but have fun with the MAC.

I think you are a bit too rosy there.... I think one big difference at least at the onset between us and the Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC is the teams at the very top. Those 3 conferences have teams fighting for #1 seeds. Right now, we don't. That's a pretty big difference.

I do think if we go 14 it really helps us- we can say we have the most teams in the tourney quite possibly.

(02-18-2013 07:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:38 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:14 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:30 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem is that UConn and Cincy are building up some respectable football credentials as of late. They're giving up a whole lot if they dump their football teams in a conference like the MAC so that the olympic sports can play with the C7.

They're in a football conference sort of like the MAC.

Put it this way--the C7 is closer to the A10 in basketball than the NBE is to the MAC in football.

FIFY

The best teams in the notBE lost to the teams in the MAC. The C7 destroy teams in the A-10. A-10 is having one hell of a year but when the best teams in that conference are now part of the C7, that puts the C7 conference in conversation as best conference in the country. It will definitely be B1G, ACC, then C7, Big12, A10, notBE, Pac 12, and down the line. The division between the B1G/ACC is clear. After the C7, the Big 12 and is a distant 4th with A10 and not BE a little ways behind them. Nice try Homer but have fun with the MAC.

I think you are a bit too rosy there.... I think one big difference at least at the onset between us and the Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC is the teams at the very top. Those 3 conferences have teams fighting for #1 seeds. Right now, we don't. That's a pretty big difference.

I do think if we go 14 it really helps us- we can say we have the most teams in the tourney quite possibly.

GTown is in position to win the league regular season title. If the UF game continued GTown had a good chance of beating the Gators which would put them in position for a #1 seed.

Do you follow the Hoyas?

right now, we are #16 in the RPI. A win in that game and probably up to around 10ish. 2/3 seed territory. Win out and it's possible. I think Miami and Big Ten champ(if it's Michigan, Michigan St, or Indiana) have #1 seeds right now pretty easily. I think Duke has inroads on 3rd #1 seed. You may be right about Georgetown if we had won vs Florida and then win out.