I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
I totally agree with your assessment----the Pennington/Leftwich era at Marshall, the LeFavour era at CMU and now the Harnish/Lynch era at NIU account for a lot of those championships. Toledo was down a few years there as well-----even in 2008 when they beat Michigan they were only 3-8 (including the victory over Michigan!)
(02-07-2013 09:52 AM)The Optimist Wrote: The Ohio schools are at a disadvantage with the MAC being so heavily centered in Ohio. Recruits get spread around thinly...
That's one interpretation. There's probably something to that.
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
I don't think it has anything to do with recruits being spread out too much in Ohio. Nobody is limiting Ohio teams to Ohio recruits. I think it's the other stuff mentioned - Marshall playing at home, then one team gets a good QB and wins for a few years.
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
if you take out the Marshall wins its 5 of 11, which is about average.
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
(02-07-2013 08:10 AM)chipfan Wrote: I have looked up the MAC Football Champs since 1997 (When Divisions were established and there was a MACC), and found it interesting that during that period only 5 times out of 16 were Ohio schools the champ (Toledo 2; Miami 2; Akron 1) despite having half of the league's schools in Ohio. Not sure what it means, but to me it was a bit of a surprise.
I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
(02-07-2013 08:41 AM)bobcat95 Wrote: I'm not really surprised to hear that. In the early years, Marshall was the dominant team with Western/Miami/Toledo challenging their dominance occassionally. Remember the days when all of the MAC Championship games were played in Huntington, West Virginia? More recently, CMU and NIU have been the more dominant programs. Toledo has been the most consistant Ohio program, so if there were 1 team I would expect to have more championships without looking back, they would have been it.
To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
(02-07-2013 10:55 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote: To that point, Toledo has played in five MAC Championship games since 1997. Unfortunately four of those were played against Marshall and the three losses were all in games played at Marshall's stadium.
Ohio schools have played in a lot of MAC Championship games that they did not win. Toledo has lost three, Ohio has lost 2 or 3. BG has lost 1. Have I missed any?
Miami to Toledo in 2004 and to CMU in 2007.
Uh, KSU in 2012.
Kent St has football?
Maybe. What do you think?
I never saw those runs before. Just like Cribbs and Edelman, it is impossible to tackle him once he gets into open field.
That run by Archer to put Kent up 24-17 was insane.....I was sitting kinda low on the east side of the stadium and saw him disappear into a clump of guys and then suddenly reappear a few seconds later zipping accross the field. It took a few seconds to process because it seemed so nonsensical.
I watched a lot of football at the Doyt...I can't recall ever seeing a back with a pair of 70+ TD runs answered with 70+ yard TD passes not just on the next possession but the next play by the same WR. Archer and Gallon were trading shots like Ali and Frazier. Hated the outcome....but that was a fun game to watch.
Ohio U has not won a championship in over 50 years and is giving the rest of the Ohio schools a black-eye. It is not fair to include them as they are an outlier. This entire argument would be more fair to the rest of us if we exclude them as they can't and won't ever win a MAC Championship.
(02-07-2013 11:35 PM)El Grande Flippero Wrote: That run by Archer to put Kent up 24-17 was insane.....I was sitting kinda low on the east side of the stadium and saw him disappear into a clump of guys and then suddenly reappear a few seconds later zipping accross the field. It took a few seconds to process because it seemed so nonsensical.
I watched a lot of football at the Doyt...I can't recall ever seeing a back with a pair of 70+ TD runs answered with 70+ yard TD passes not just on the next possession but the next play by the same WR. Archer and Gallon were trading shots like Ali and Frazier. Hated the outcome....but that was a fun game to watch.
The second run still looks eerie. You are right about the first part of the run. Your mind tells you he is going down in that clump of tacklers and blockers, then it's startling to see him running cross field. When he gets inside the 30 over on the right side, it looks like there are BG defenders on both sides coming up that will have a shot at him, but he weaves through like there is some kind of force field around him that doesn't let anyone get within reach. That run was just other worldly.
Miami (Oh) Yeah posted: Ohio U has not won a championship in over 50 years and is giving the rest of the Ohio schools a black-eye. It is not fair to include them as they are an outlier. This entire argument would be more fair to the rest of us if we exclude them as they can't and won't ever win a MAC Championship.
