Another loss for them today, this time to Providence. 30-37 last 67 games now. 9-18 away from home. Also 13-26 in BE play in that stretch 14-28 with BET. They follow up a week beating Syracuse and Louisville by losing to Notre Dame and Providence.

Will Nova extend him? In some ways, I can't see them extending given all of this.

This to me is a critical week- @ DePaul and USF. If they even split- they're 14-10. Last games- @ Cincy, @ UConn, Rutgers, Marquette, @ Seton Hall, @ Pitt, and Georgetown. Really only favorites vs Rutgers and SH. That gets them to 16-15 and gonzo from NCAA. Even a sweep this week- 17-14 and still gonzo from NCAA.

Yes you extend him. Take it from us--coaches as good as Jay Wright are not easy to find. Heck, Seton Hall can't find a coach as good as Louis Orr.

true, but as the Eagles showed- at some point you have to move on.

Think about it- if they finish the year 16-15 regular season- they would be 33-43 last 76 games and 17-32 in BE play. Then 1-1 in BET and 34-44 and 18-33 overall. At what point do they move on? Situations with contracts are a funny thing also- the reason Lovie Smith was fired from the Chicago Bears was strictly contract- they didn't want to extend him, and didn't want a lame duck situation.

Also- the question would become- do other schools try to get him, since his deal is over?

Previous Final four appearances will keep Jay Wright for a few more years. If they don't make the NCAA for a few more years, than you can think about change but I don't think you can get anyone better right now.

(02-03-2013 02:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Another loss for them today, this time to Providence. 30-37 last 67 games now. 9-18 away from home. Also 13-26 in BE play in that stretch 14-28 with BET. They follow up a week beating Syracuse and Louisville by losing to Notre Dame and Providence.

Will Nova extend him? In some ways, I can't see them extending given all of this.

This to me is a critical week- @ DePaul and USF. If they even split- they're 14-10. Last games- @ Cincy, @ UConn, Rutgers, Marquette, @ Seton Hall, @ Pitt, and Georgetown. Really only favorites vs Rutgers and SH. That gets them to 16-15 and gonzo from NCAA. Even a sweep this week- 17-14 and still gonzo from NCAA.

Is this guy serious?

I think what we can surmise is that stever20 is a instant gratification short term success kind of guy.

Maybe Nova should replace him with shaka smart, that way we dont need vcu to join the c7..

(02-03-2013 05:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Maybe Nova should replace hime shaka smart, that way we dont need vcu to join the c7..

Thanks for the laugh of the day!

(02-03-2013 07:40 PM)Billiken Rich Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 05:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Maybe Nova should replace hime shaka smart, that way we dont need vcu to join the c7..

Thanks for the laugh of the day!

i try!

'Nova doesn't have any guards. Where are the Allen Ray's, Randy Foye's, Scottie Reynolds', and Corey Fisher's?

The thing is, the program is struggling, and the coaches contract is up. I don't see how it could NOT be a question. You say instant gratification. 67 games over 3 years is not just a bad year.

(02-03-2013 11:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the program is struggling, and the coaches contract is up. I don't see how it could NOT be a question. You say instant gratification. 67 games over 3 years is not just a bad year.

They just beat Syracuse and Louisville. You're not giving them enough credit. You're also underselling PC, who has been improving. You're also putting too much stock in a freak loss to Columbia and a fluke loss to Brown, without understanding the circumstances.

(02-04-2013 12:38 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 11:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the program is struggling, and the coaches contract is up. I don't see how it could NOT be a question. You say instant gratification. 67 games over 3 years is not just a bad year.

They just beat Syracuse and Louisville. You're not giving them enough credit. You're also underselling PC, who has been improving. You're also putting too much stock in a freak loss to Columbia and a fluke loss to Brown, without understanding the circumstances.

The thing is- a coach who had an awful finish 2 years ago, then a bad year last year, this year could finish by going 4-7 entering the conference tourney to go only 17-14. A 1st rd BET loss and they're 17-15. His contract is up after this season. I think I'm hearing you guys think it's just automatic- and I don't see it as being such.

I'd think actually if it was automatic, we'd have seen them extend the contract already. Why have him hanging in the wind right now? Any Nova fans know the situation from in close???

(02-04-2013 07:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:38 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 11:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the program is struggling, and the coaches contract is up. I don't see how it could NOT be a question. You say instant gratification. 67 games over 3 years is not just a bad year.

They just beat Syracuse and Louisville. You're not giving them enough credit. You're also underselling PC, who has been improving. You're also putting too much stock in a freak loss to Columbia and a fluke loss to Brown, without understanding the circumstances.

The thing is- a coach who had an awful finish 2 years ago, then a bad year last year, this year could finish by going 4-7 entering the conference tourney to go only 17-14. A 1st rd BET loss and they're 17-15. His contract is up after this season. I think I'm hearing you guys think it's just automatic- and I don't see it as being such.

I'd think actually if it was automatic, we'd have seen them extend the contract already. Why have him hanging in the wind right now? Any Nova fans know the situation from in close???

Look, I've also heard that Villanova fans are criticizing Wright. I see that, though at the game last month I didn't hear any grumblings from their fans. That's a little different than "the wheels coming off (the program?)", which when combined with other posts here implies that Villanova will tank for 5 years, which will not happen. I mean, your posts recently are pushing the idea that VCU is needed because you feel that the C-7 blows except for GU and Marquette... so in this thread you're pushing for the collapse of Villanova.

By the way, you make it seem like losing at Notre Dame is a bad thing? Wasn't VU winning for most of the game? And the losses to PC I don't think will look as bad, because our schedule eases up a little after Cincinnati and I think we may get to 7-11.

30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

(02-04-2013 12:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

You are blowing this out of proportion. UConn finished 9th place in the Big East when they won their last NC. Even good teams lose in Big East play.

(02-04-2013 12:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

You are blowing this out of proportion. UConn finished 9th place in the Big East when they won their last NC. Even good teams lose in Big East play.

UConn was near .500 when they did that. 18-33 is not near .500. Being 7 games under .500 is not good overall- there's no way to spin it otherwise.

I think if the contract wasn't expiring end of season, there'd be no doubt about him coming back. But, with it expiring, you have to ask the question. How can you give him a long term deal given the situation?

(02-04-2013 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

You are blowing this out of proportion. UConn finished 9th place in the Big East when they won their last NC. Even good teams lose in Big East play.

UConn was near .500 when they did that. 18-33 is not near .500. Being 7 games under .500 is not good overall- there's no way to spin it otherwise.

I think if the contract wasn't expiring end of season, there'd be no doubt about him coming back. But, with it expiring, you have to ask the question. How can you give him a long term deal given the situation?

7 games over 3 seasons which averages 2 games below .500.

(02-04-2013 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

You are blowing this out of proportion. UConn finished 9th place in the Big East when they won their last NC. Even good teams lose in Big East play.

UConn was near .500 when they did that. 18-33 is not near .500. Being 7 games under .500 is not good overall- there's no way to spin it otherwise.

I think if the contract wasn't expiring end of season, there'd be no doubt about him coming back. But, with it expiring, you have to ask the question. How can you give him a long term deal given the situation?

You know, Pitt is 12-19 over their last 31 Big East games (including their BE tourney games), and unlike Wright, Dixon hasn't made a Final Four. One of the 19 losses includes a 23 pt home loss to Rutgers.

(02-04-2013 01:22 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  30-37 for a program like Nova(who was 72-18, 34-15 in the 2.5 seasons before this tailspin-with a final 4 spot) is the wheels coming off for the most part. Esp if they finish anything worse than 4-5 this year which would get them to 34-42 in the period(18-33 in BE play).

You are blowing this out of proportion. UConn finished 9th place in the Big East when they won their last NC. Even good teams lose in Big East play.

UConn was near .500 when they did that. 18-33 is not near .500. Being 7 games under .500 is not good overall- there's no way to spin it otherwise.

I think if the contract wasn't expiring end of season, there'd be no doubt about him coming back. But, with it expiring, you have to ask the question. How can you give him a long term deal given the situation?

You know, Pitt is 12-19 over their last 31 Big East games (including their BE tourney games), and unlike Wright, Dixon hasn't made a Final Four. One of the 19 losses includes a 23 pt home loss to Rutgers.

They are, but a lot of that was just last year. going 6-14. To me, Pitt is a lot more of a 1 year fluke than what Villanova is going thru. I mean, Pitt is 39th in the RPI this year.

Also, Pitt has done well OOC, going 12-1 this year. 11-2 last year(4 top 100 wins last year and the 1 loss was vs Long Beach State- not a bad one at all). Villanova has gone in this stretch 16-9 OOC.