It's clear that they're not going away so should they be embraced or should we continue to support the secretive atmosphere and then be shocked when a future hall of famer is reported to have taken PEDs?

Let me go ahead and get it over with.

ECU sucks. You are going to the ASun for all sports. The Big East is crap. ECU sucks. ECU fans are stupid. ECU sucks.

(02-02-2013 05:21 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Let me go ahead and get it over with.

ECU sucks. You are going to the ASun for all sports. The Big East is crap. ECU sucks. ECU fans are stupid. ECU sucks.

Trying to have an actual conversation and you start off like that. Thanks a lot west coaster

(02-02-2013 05:19 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  It's clear that they're not going away so should they be embraced or should we continue to support the secretive atmosphere and then be shocked when a future hall of famer is reported to have taken PEDs?

No of course not. Testing already takes place and the only reason baseball is such a big issue is that for a long time they had zero testing thus allowing many players to rack up big numbers and now that its Hall of Fame time its a big deal. This era of players will pass and yes the occasional player will pop up positive and be dealt with accordingly. Repeat offenders will be dealt with and while we have multiple cycles of Hall of fame voting to go until we get through all of the suspected and in some cases known users they too will soon be passed and the widespread use will be just something we talk about.

In no way shape or form should any kind of performance enhancing drug be embraced unless you're talking Viagra. BOOM!

sure. as soon as I can smoke pot in church, athletes should be able to dope up.

I say no. This would setting a very dangerous precedent if pro sports turned a blind eye to PED's...Do it the "old fashioned way"...Earn it! Good topic...

The most popular sport in America involves gigantic men that run like horses beating the **** out of each other. That same sports also doesnt test for HGH. I think we've already answered the OP's question, TBH>

(02-02-2013 10:18 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The most popular sport in America involves gigantic men that run like horses beating the **** out of each other. That same sports also doesnt test for HGH. I think we've already answered the OP's question, TBH>

But aren't they working on getting that HGH test out by next season?

(02-03-2013 09:19 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 10:18 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The most popular sport in America involves gigantic men that run like horses beating the **** out of each other. That same sports also doesnt test for HGH. I think we've already answered the OP's question, TBH>

But aren't they working on getting that HGH test out by next season?

yes, but they also have been "working" on it for the past 5 years. I doubt their concern.

(02-03-2013 09:31 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 09:19 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 10:18 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The most popular sport in America involves gigantic men that run like horses beating the **** out of each other. That same sports also doesnt test for HGH. I think we've already answered the OP's question, TBH>

But aren't they working on getting that HGH test out by next season?

yes, but they also have been "working" on it for the past 5 years. I doubt their concern.

Look at how fans act towards football players caught using steroids....

Random Baseball player is hinted at potentially using steroids through some shady rumor filled website with no actual proof. He's then considered scum of te Earth and calls for his banning and his head on a stake run rampant.

Random football player tests positive and pictures of him getting a shot of it appear all over media. Fans reaction consist of asking when he gets to play again.

I think professional sports needs to redefine what a "performance enhancing drug" is. If a supplement helps a athlete heal faster and doesn't have any detrimental effects on the athlete, then I don't see the point. Now, drugs that increase strength and endurance, or agility, then that is truly a performance enhancer, and should be tested. Nor do i agree with banned substances that are not tested, such as IGF-1, which is the substance in this "Deer antler spray" that everyone has talking about all week.

To keep it simple, if its not being tested for, then take it off the list. You can't have it both ways by condemning someone in the media and yet that athlete cannot be proven innocent by a test. Automatically that athlete is guilty by default, and people know this and use it against athletes. It also creates the opinion that all athletes cheat, by the media.

They'll find a way around testing anyway, so just make it legal, let them all do it and it's fair to everyone. No more BS in the news about any of this crap.

No. That would force athletes who do not want to risk their lives and well being into such a scenario. If you want to be a pro you shouldnt be forced into UNhealthy lifestyle just to compete. It is wrong to use a PED in many many ways

I'm with JDTulane on this one.

If it were legal, clean players would be at a serious disadvantage.

At the end of the day with millions of dollars in income on the line there will always be a bunch of players willing to take PED's to either break into the pros, extend a career or sweeten a contract. The PED manufacturers have always stayed a step ahead of the test as well.

MLB as part of it's collective bargaining agreement just started blood test and they are still random and have to have probable cause. They also can only administer these test between spring training and the end of the season so any player wanting to use HGH in the off season to heal or build strength has little to no chance of testing positive as HGH cycles out of the system fairly quickly.

The NFL does not even allow for blood test yet so a player really has to be stupid to get caught in a urine test. The deer antler substance Ray Lewis was accused of taking will not typically show up in a urine test. The healing aspect of PED's is what attracts most players whose bodies take a beating in their sports. The Barry Bond's and Mark McGwires of the world gave the average sports fan the impression that PED's always resulted in some big Hulk player but the group that easily has the most benefit from HGH is MLB Pitchers whose arms take a brutal beating. Unless they are lifting like a body builder you would never suspect a skinny pitcher of using HGH because if they use it like it is designed for muscle and joint repair then they will not have significant weight gain.

End of the day the PED's work as evidence by a player like Ray Lewis being able to return to the field so soon after a torn tricep muscle....which by the way a torn tricep or pectoral muscle is a pretty strong indicator of other PED use but Lewis managed to get back on the field so there is room for debate of whether players should be able to take PED's to heal faster.

No

(02-04-2013 08:23 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  At the end of the day with millions of dollars in income on the line there will always be a bunch of players willing to take PED's to either break into the pros, extend a career or sweeten a contract. The PED manufacturers have always stayed a step ahead of the test as well.

MLB as part of it's collective bargaining agreement just started blood test and they are still random and have to have probable cause. They also can only administer these test between spring training and the end of the season so any player wanting to use HGH in the off season to heal or build strength has little to no chance of testing positive as HGH cycles out of the system fairly quickly.

The NFL does not even allow for blood test yet so a player really has to be stupid to get caught in a urine test. The deer antler substance Ray Lewis was accused of taking will not typically show up in a urine test. The healing aspect of PED's is what attracts most players whose bodies take a beating in their sports. The Barry Bond's and Mark McGwires of the world gave the average sports fan the impression that PED's always resulted in some big Hulk player but the group that easily has the most benefit from HGH is MLB Pitchers whose arms take a brutal beating. Unless they are lifting like a body builder you would never suspect a skinny pitcher of using HGH because if they use it like it is designed for muscle and joint repair then they will not have significant weight gain.

End of the day the PED's work as evidence by a player like Ray Lewis being able to return to the field so soon after a torn tricep muscle....which by the way a torn tricep or pectoral muscle is a pretty strong indicator of other PED use but Lewis managed to get back on the field so there is room for debate of whether players should be able to take PED's to heal faster.

So maybe amend the rules and allow players to take HGH while injuried but that's it?

(02-03-2013 10:16 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think professional sports needs to redefine what a "performance enhancing drug" is. If a supplement helps a athlete heal faster and doesn't have any detrimental effects on the athlete, then I don't see the point. Now, drugs that increase strength and endurance, or agility, then that is truly a performance enhancer, and should be tested. Nor do i agree with banned substances that are not tested, such as IGF-1, which is the substance in this "Deer antler spray" that everyone has talking about all week.

To keep it simple, if its not being tested for, then take it off the list. You can't have it both ways by condemning someone in the media and yet that athlete cannot be proven innocent by a test. Automatically that athlete is guilty by default, and people know this and use it against athletes. It also creates the opinion that all athletes cheat, by the media.

Agreed... No, we should not have a wide-open policy, but the status quo is too much. Athletes ought to be allowed the same steroid regimine after an injury as anyone else. They should not be penalized for using purely recreational drugs (a la Ricky Williams). The practice of freezing athletes' bodily fluids to test with future technology is just inherently unfair. Anything consumed in its 100% natural state should be OK (God >IADA).

I also see things that should be tightened up. ADD medications like amphetamines and Ritalin should be 100% banned, in my opinion. They have supposedly become very widespread in MLB and I think that's very dangerous. Crank is crank, whether you get it froma doctor or some chick behind Flying J.

(02-04-2013 03:22 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 08:23 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  End of the day the PED's work as evidence by a player like Ray Lewis being able to return to the field so soon after a torn tricep muscle....which by the way a torn tricep or pectoral muscle is a pretty strong indicator of other PED use but Lewis managed to get back on the field so there is room for debate of whether players should be able to take PED's to heal faster.

So maybe amend the rules and allow players to take HGH while injuried but that's it?

I like this idea, as I don't think anything that lets a body heal better should be outlawed.

(02-04-2013 07:10 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 03:22 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 08:23 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  End of the day the PED's work as evidence by a player like Ray Lewis being able to return to the field so soon after a torn tricep muscle....which by the way a torn tricep or pectoral muscle is a pretty strong indicator of other PED use but Lewis managed to get back on the field so there is room for debate of whether players should be able to take PED's to heal faster.

So maybe amend the rules and allow players to take HGH while injuried but that's it?

I like this idea, as I don't think anything that lets a body heal better should be outlawed.

the injury list would have 52 men on it every week.