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Let's talk about the competing conferences
As far as I see it, the C7's main competition at this point will come from the MWC and nBE. Those teams will make up a new "tier" of teams that can challenge the BCS football conferences and are clearly above every other conference in basketball.

What moves do you think those conferences will attempt in order to challenge the C7? I think it is fairly evident that the C7 will launch with much better public perception and visibility, but ultimately success will come down to the basketball courts.

The MWC will be focused first and foremost on continuing to be a mediocre football conference instead of an elite basketball conference. Thus, most conference realignment talks will be about Tulsa and UTEP instead of a possible basketball school to balance Hawaii (fooball only). However, I think they seriously consider BYU (with the intention to add in all sports), Gonzaga, and maybe Wichita State. The first two probably would decline at this point in time because they like their current arrangements more, but who knows what could happen in the future.

Meanwhile, the nBE is harder to predict. They seem like a collection of leftover quality teams that can't find a major conference and mediocre teams like Tulane. I think they have to try and add teams for all-sports first, so they will look to attract UMass and the same Texas schools as the MWC, but they might be interested in taking whatever teams that the C7 doesn't. A team like VCU may be very appealing to UConn and Cincinnati, who will still want to be competitive in the basketball world.

Next, you have to consider the competition between the C7 and the tier directly below them. In my opinion, that tier consists of three conferences: the A-10, MVC, and WCC. These are all leagues that will have some quality teams from year to year, but also have a large number of sub-200 RPI drags that prevent the conference from having better success. In general, these teams will have the opportunity to get at-large bids but the majority of the conference will not enjoy the post-season.

After the C7 raids the A-10 (and maybe Creighton from the MVC), I think you will see a power struggle between those two conferences. Depending on the teams taken, you might see SLU and Dayton go to the Valley or Wichita State and Creighton go to the A-10. The mostly likely scenario is that this doesn't happen, but it is a possibility. If it happened, the teams with incoming strength might be slightly more competitive with the C7. If not, you'll see the Missouri Valley look to the Horizon league (Valpo, the Dakotas), and the A-10 look to teams like George Mason.

Finally, you have the power conferences. The only conference that will really care about the C7 will be the ACC, which is on the verge of being eaten by the SEC and Big 12. They have a lot of programs that care more about basketball than football, while other BCS conferences definitely view basketball as a secondary consideration in conference realignment.

What will happen when/if the ACC gets eaten? You will probably see teams like FSU and Clemson join the Big 12, while the SEC has reportedly had an interest in the expanding to North Carolina. I'm not sure whether North Carolina and Duke are a package deal or not, but it is possibly that both either join the B1G or the SEC or that they split. NCState is another possible Big 12 defection.

The C7 really is going to be isolated from all the major conference movement, but it will interesting to see which teams are left standing at the end (not sure where they go, maybe they rejoin the nBE). The only problem I see for the C7 is that the BCS conferences might consolidate too much power if they reduce down to four 16-team conferences. The SEC and B1G might become very powerful in basketball by acquiring the ACC basketball schools.

Anyway, this post was created just to talk about the wider ramifications of conference realignment and the conferences the C7 will be competing with. A lot of this is just throwing thoughts out to the wind, not necessarily a bible for what is about to happen.

What are your thoughts on this? How do you see the power balance working out in the end? What will the other conferences do?
01-23-2013 07:08 PM
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RE: Let's talk about the competing conferences
I disagree with that idea. We should not be trying to one up the nBE and MWC but the ACC and Big Ten. Those are the two in our geographic region.

Rutgers/Seton Hall
Maryland/Georgetown
Penn St/Villanova
Wisconsin/Marquette
Indiana/Purdue/Butler
Ohio St/Xavier/Dayton
Nebraska/Creighton
Illinois/Northwestern/DePaul
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RE: Let's talk about the competing conferences
(01-23-2013 07:08 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  As far as I see it, the C7's main competition at this point will come from the MWC and nBE. Those teams will make up a new "tier" of teams that can challenge the BCS football conferences and are clearly above every other conference in basketball.

What moves do you think those conferences will attempt in order to challenge the C7? I think it is fairly evident that the C7 will launch with much better public perception and visibility, but ultimately success will come down to the basketball courts.

The MWC will be focused first and foremost on continuing to be a mediocre football conference instead of an elite basketball conference. Thus, most conference realignment talks will be about Tulsa and UTEP instead of a possible basketball school to balance Hawaii (fooball only). However, I think they seriously consider BYU (with the intention to add in all sports), Gonzaga, and maybe Wichita State. The first two probably would decline at this point in time because they like their current arrangements more, but who knows what could happen in the future.

Meanwhile, the nBE is harder to predict. They seem like a collection of leftover quality teams that can't find a major conference and mediocre teams like Tulane. I think they have to try and add teams for all-sports first, so they will look to attract UMass and the same Texas schools as the MWC, but they might be interested in taking whatever teams that the C7 doesn't. A team like VCU may be very appealing to UConn and Cincinnati, who will still want to be competitive in the basketball world.

Next, you have to consider the competition between the C7 and the tier directly below them. In my opinion, that tier consists of three conferences: the A-10, MVC, and WCC. These are all leagues that will have some quality teams from year to year, but also have a large number of sub-200 RPI drags that prevent the conference from having better success. In general, these teams will have the opportunity to get at-large bids but the majority of the conference will not enjoy the post-season.

After the C7 raids the A-10 (and maybe Creighton from the MVC), I think you will see a power struggle between those two conferences. Depending on the teams taken, you might see SLU and Dayton go to the Valley or Wichita State and Creighton go to the A-10. The mostly likely scenario is that this doesn't happen, but it is a possibility. If it happened, the teams with incoming strength might be slightly more competitive with the C7. If not, you'll see the Missouri Valley look to the Horizon league (Valpo, the Dakotas), and the A-10 look to teams like George Mason.

Finally, you have the power conferences. The only conference that will really care about the C7 will be the ACC, which is on the verge of being eaten by the SEC and Big 12. They have a lot of programs that care more about basketball than football, while other BCS conferences definitely view basketball as a secondary consideration in conference realignment.

What will happen when/if the ACC gets eaten? You will probably see teams like FSU and Clemson join the Big 12, while the SEC has reportedly had an interest in the expanding to North Carolina. I'm not sure whether North Carolina and Duke are a package deal or not, but it is possibly that both either join the B1G or the SEC or that they split. NCState is another possible Big 12 defection.

The C7 really is going to be isolated from all the major conference movement, but it will interesting to see which teams are left standing at the end (not sure where they go, maybe they rejoin the nBE). The only problem I see for the C7 is that the BCS conferences might consolidate too much power if they reduce down to four 16-team conferences. The SEC and B1G might become very powerful in basketball by acquiring the ACC basketball schools.

Anyway, this post was created just to talk about the wider ramifications of conference realignment and the conferences the C7 will be competing with. A lot of this is just throwing thoughts out to the wind, not necessarily a bible for what is about to happen.

What are your thoughts on this? How do you see the power balance working out in the end? What will the other conferences do?

Lots of interesting thoughts and scenarios to consider. Hard to speculate on other realignment issues without knowing who actually gets in the new C7 conference. That said, I have two predictions:

1. There will continue to be realignment among the FBS schools. In the meantime, after the C7 Conference is finalized, I do believe that there will be some sort of realignment/power struggle between the rest of the respectable "Basketball only" conferences (A-10, MVC, CAA), until one conference emerges as the top "Basketball only" alternative to the C7 league.

2. I think the new C7 league will end up being remarkably stable and will be immune from the ups and downs of realignment after its formation. The C7 league will be clearly the best non-football conference in America. Unless a league member decides to make a go at football, there is no place else to go. We'll be kind of like the SEC is in football - they don't have to worry about realignemnt (unless they decide to grow)because none of their members could possibly find a better football conference than the SEC. Simalarly, the C7 league will be the best of its kind and unless the league decides on its own to expand, it should be immune from the constant shuffling of conference allegiances.
01-23-2013 07:24 PM
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RE: Let's talk about the competing conferences
(01-23-2013 07:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I disagree with that idea. We should not be trying to one up the nBE and MWC but the ACC and Big Ten. Those are the two in our geographic region.

Rutgers/Seton Hall
Maryland/Georgetown
Penn St/Villanova
Wisconsin/Marquette
Indiana/Purdue/Butler
Ohio St/Xavier/Dayton
Nebraska/Creighton
Illinois/Northwestern/DePaul

The league does have a lot of similarities to the B1G in terms of geographic footprint. However, I think the teams the C7 decide to take will determine whether they are grouped in with the power conferences (the BCS conferences + 1) or the next tier down (MWC, nBE, maybe WCC/A-10).

The C7 has the chance to join the power conferences with a good first impression, while the MWC and nBE will never have that chance. That said, the C7 is competing with those conferences in that it simply has to be clearly better in order make that jump. In a sense, they are all competing for the title of "best non-BCS conference," but only the C7 can win the right to join the BCS teams.

I think Fox will attempt to foster connections between the B1G and C7 because of the network affiliation, and it is pretty clear right now that the ACC is not going to last for much longer.
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I noticed more than one poster has suggested that the nBE go back to a form of hybrid. Not sure why they would want to do that. It seems to create eventual issues. Also why would a non Fb school such as VCU be interested in joining a league where they had almost no voice? Í
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(01-23-2013 07:08 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  As far as I see it, the C7's main competition at this point will come from the MWC and nBE. Those teams will make up a new "tier" of teams that can challenge the BCS football conferences and are clearly above every other conference in basketball.

What moves do you think those conferences will attempt in order to challenge the C7? I think it is fairly evident that the C7 will launch with much better public perception and visibility, but ultimately success will come down to the basketball courts.

The MWC will be focused first and foremost on continuing to be a mediocre football conference instead of an elite basketball conference. Thus, most conference realignment talks will be about Tulsa and UTEP instead of a possible basketball school to balance Hawaii (fooball only). However, I think they seriously consider BYU (with the intention to add in all sports), Gonzaga, and maybe Wichita State. The first two probably would decline at this point in time because they like their current arrangements more, but who knows what could happen in the future.

Meanwhile, the nBE is harder to predict. They seem like a collection of leftover quality teams that can't find a major conference and mediocre teams like Tulane. I think they have to try and add teams for all-sports first, so they will look to attract UMass and the same Texas schools as the MWC, but they might be interested in taking whatever teams that the C7 doesn't. A team like VCU may be very appealing to UConn and Cincinnati, who will still want to be competitive in the basketball world.

Next, you have to consider the competition between the C7 and the tier directly below them. In my opinion, that tier consists of three conferences: the A-10, MVC, and WCC. These are all leagues that will have some quality teams from year to year, but also have a large number of sub-200 RPI drags that prevent the conference from having better success. In general, these teams will have the opportunity to get at-large bids but the majority of the conference will not enjoy the post-season.

After the C7 raids the A-10 (and maybe Creighton from the MVC), I think you will see a power struggle between those two conferences. Depending on the teams taken, you might see SLU and Dayton go to the Valley or Wichita State and Creighton go to the A-10. The mostly likely scenario is that this doesn't happen, but it is a possibility. If it happened, the teams with incoming strength might be slightly more competitive with the C7. If not, you'll see the Missouri Valley look to the Horizon league (Valpo, the Dakotas), and the A-10 look to teams like George Mason.

Finally, you have the power conferences. The only conference that will really care about the C7 will be the ACC, which is on the verge of being eaten by the SEC and Big 12. They have a lot of programs that care more about basketball than football, while other BCS conferences definitely view basketball as a secondary consideration in conference realignment.

What will happen when/if the ACC gets eaten? You will probably see teams like FSU and Clemson join the Big 12, while the SEC has reportedly had an interest in the expanding to North Carolina. I'm not sure whether North Carolina and Duke are a package deal or not, but it is possibly that both either join the B1G or the SEC or that they split. NCState is another possible Big 12 defection.

The C7 really is going to be isolated from all the major conference movement, but it will interesting to see which teams are left standing at the end (not sure where they go, maybe they rejoin the nBE). The only problem I see for the C7 is that the BCS conferences might consolidate too much power if they reduce down to four 16-team conferences. The SEC and B1G might become very powerful in basketball by acquiring the ACC basketball schools.

Anyway, this post was created just to talk about the wider ramifications of conference realignment and the conferences the C7 will be competing with. A lot of this is just throwing thoughts out to the wind, not necessarily a bible for what is about to happen.

What are your thoughts on this? How do you see the power balance working out in the end? What will the other conferences do?

The MWC has 2 priorities:

Getting BYU back in football and getting back into the Texas Triangle. Everything else is secondary to those two objectives.

They will wait and see how the ACC drama plays out and who if anyone falls into their lap. Tulsa and UTEP are secondary to that goal. Adding both now could prevent them from reaching either of those goals. We won't invite BYU without football.

At some point, we will have to deal with the Hawaii problem. Again we will wait until the ACC drama plays out. At that point we will know whether we need the extra team in the east or west for travel partners. Boise is a swing school that can move either way. Likely possibilities that have the facilities, basketball and over all program strength would be: Gonzaga, Pacific, Long Beach State, and Wichita State. All are in the footprint or neighboring states.
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