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(01-22-2013 01:12 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  I wish everyone would stop bitching about a three pointer to win the game. We lost the game mainly because we let them score the last seven times they touched the ball, not because we missed a three with a few seconds left. Cuse hit some tough shots that won the game for them, including a lucky tip. We missed a couple shots and had a key turnover at a crucial moment in the game, it happens, moving on...

Carter-Williams hit that tying step-back 3 with a minute left on a shot he makes probably 10% of the time, then they got that freak tip to win it. Cash missed a straight on 3 he makes probably a third of the time (maybe more). Thems the breaks. I would have liked to see Kilpatrick or even Parker get the last look with the way Cash was playing, but he's been clutch at the end of games and it seems the play broke down a little, so I wasn't too unhappy with the shot. He almost drained it.

Tough to let that one get away, but this team is coming together really well. Hope UC plays Cuse at MSG again.
 
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(01-22-2013 02:37 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 01:12 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  I wish everyone would stop bitching about a three pointer to win the game. We lost the game mainly because we let them score the last seven times they touched the ball, not because we missed a three with a few seconds left. Cuse hit some tough shots that won the game for them, including a lucky tip. We missed a couple shots and had a key turnover at a crucial moment in the game, it happens, moving on...

Carter-Williams hit that tying step-back 3 with a minute left on a shot he makes probably 10% of the time, then they got that freak tip to win it. Cash missed a straight on 3 he makes probably a third of the time (maybe more). Thems the breaks. I would have liked to see Kilpatrick or even Parker get the last look with the way Cash was playing, but he's been clutch at the end of games and it seems the play broke down a little, so I wasn't too unhappy with the shot. He almost drained it.

Tough to let that one get away, but this team is coming together really well. Hope UC plays Cuse at MSG again.

Well, Cash is hitting a robust 31% from 3 in BE conference play. Not exactly automatic.
 
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(01-22-2013 03:29 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  Well, Cash is hitting a robust 31% from 3 in BE conference play. Not exactly automatic.

45% in conference play before the bad showing yesterday. Fun with small sample sizes...
 
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(01-22-2013 03:34 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:29 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  Well, Cash is hitting a robust 31% from 3 in BE conference play. Not exactly automatic.

45% in conference play before the bad showing yesterday. Fun with small sample sizes...

Amazing how one really bad game can kill shooting numbers.
 
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To use twitter lingo: This Todd Gack guy <<<<<<<
 
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side note

Just watched Cronin post game with Dan and Chuck....he did mention that the play at the end where Cash missed the three....the plan was for Cash to pass to Modj in the high post and for Modj then to either hit a cutter to the rim (tie the game) or to get the d to collapse and then pass it back out to Cash for a three for the win. He said Cash decided to step up and take the shot without passing to the high post first. Said he would have preferred Cash pass it to the high post but he also knows he can hit shots like that. Said his conditioning was jacked up from the rest and it affected his shot as well. He also mentioned he should have had Rubles in to take the pass in the high post instead of Modj and was upset with himself for that error.


just an fyi since there was some discussion on here about that possession.....
 
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(01-23-2013 05:21 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He also mentioned he should have had Rubles in to take the pass in the high post instead of Modj and was upset with himself for that error.

I'm glad he mentioned that. In a possession that important Mbodj probably shouldn't even be on the floor let alone be key to the play.
 
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I would have preferred Gaines instead of Mbodj or Rubles. LOL. Just kidding.

Is Gaines ever gonna be a factor? Anyone know if he'll be a contributor his junior and senior years?
 
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(01-23-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I would have preferred Gaines instead of Mbodj or Rubles. LOL. Just kidding.
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Is Gaines ever gonna be a factor? Anyone know if he'll be a contributor his junior and senior years?

Lol u r insane!
 
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(01-23-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I would have preferred Gaines instead of Mbodj or Rubles. LOL. Just kidding.

Is Gaines ever gonna be a factor? Anyone know if he'll be a contributor his junior and senior years?

That's what they said about Kenyon.
 
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(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)ctipton Wrote:  
(01-23-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I would have preferred Gaines instead of Mbodj or Rubles. LOL. Just kidding.

Is Gaines ever gonna be a factor? Anyone know if he'll be a contributor his junior and senior years?

That's what they said about Kenyon.

Not it was not. Kenyon was a contributor from the first day he was eligible. He was a starter from his sophomore year on. He averaged nearly 30 minutes a game his sophomore, jr, and senior seasons. He was right around 10 points a game his sophomore/jr years (was a better offensive player than any of our current centers). He was a strong rebounder and great defensive player both years. Kenyon had an amazing senior year. He was spectacular, he was a worthy National Player of the Year, but don't undersell how good he was as a sophomore and junior. He was a solid offensive player (not great) a very good rebounder, and an excellent defender.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play...tin-1.html
 
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When Kenyon was a freshman, he was an offensive liability. Not defensively - that was God given from the first day.

As a soph, he increased his offensive output to the point where he was looked forward to being a darned good player as he grew. No one expected what was coming his senior season. He didn't do that until he competed internationally and more than held his own.

The statement I made about "That's what they said about Kenyon." was at least tongue in cheek, but apparently you can't take that. It is hoped that Mr Gaines can improve like that.

Sorry.
 
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(01-23-2013 01:42 PM)ctipton Wrote:  When Kenyon was a freshman, he was an offensive liability. Not defensively - that was God given from the first day.

As a soph, he increased his offensive output to the point where he was looked forward to being a darned good player as he grew. No one expected what was coming his senior season. He didn't do that until he competed internationally and more than held his own.

The statement I made about "That's what they said about Kenyon." was at least tongue in cheek, but apparently you can't take that. It is hoped that Mr Gaines can improve like that.

Sorry.

No apology needed. I have just heard similar before and I think people sometimes forget just how good Kenyon was from very early on. I think his first year he behind because of eligibility issues.
 
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(01-23-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I would have preferred Gaines instead of Mbodj or Rubles. LOL. Just kidding.

Is Gaines ever gonna be a factor? Anyone know if he'll be a contributor his junior and senior years?

He set a perfect screen for SK at the end of the Marquette game. Small contribution, but I'll take it. It was actually refreshing to see a big man not move his feet while setting a screen. That drives me nuts when watching games. Line up the defender, set your feet, and don't move. It's up the ball handler/cutter to rub off it successfully.
 
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(01-22-2013 04:53 PM)Overrated Wrote:  To use twitter lingo: This Todd Gack guy <<<<<<<

So he's not shooting 31% in conference play?

I'll ask again:

Why is a guy who went 1 for 6 before that three jacking up 25 foot footers with 10 seconds left on shot clock?

But then again, he eventually turned it over so that possession was just a complete failure out of Cash.

You know, it's ok to criticize players on your own team.
 
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(01-23-2013 05:21 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  side note

Just watched Cronin post game with Dan and Chuck....he did mention that the play at the end where Cash missed the three....the plan was for Cash to pass to Modj in the high post and for Modj then to either hit a cutter to the rim (tie the game) or to get the d to collapse and then pass it back out to Cash for a three for the win. He said Cash decided to step up and take the shot without passing to the high post first. Said he would have preferred Cash pass it to the high post but he also knows he can hit shots like that. Said his conditioning was jacked up from the rest and it affected his shot as well. He also mentioned he should have had Rubles in to take the pass in the high post instead of Modj and was upset with himself for that error.


just an fyi since there was some discussion on here about that possession.....

Did Mick really say this? Where in the world is SK's name involved in this? How is it NOT? Why were we relying on a guy who had performed so badly so far this game to take the last shot?
 
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(01-22-2013 03:34 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:29 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  Well, Cash is hitting a robust 31% from 3 in BE conference play. Not exactly automatic.

45% in conference play before the bad showing yesterday. Fun with small sample sizes...

Check the stats again, hot shot. He was 11/30.
 
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(01-23-2013 02:27 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 04:53 PM)Overrated Wrote:  To use twitter lingo: This Todd Gack guy <<<<<<<

So he's not shooting 31% in conference play?

I'll ask again:

Why is a guy who went 1 for 6 before that three jacking up 25 foot footers with 10 seconds left on shot clock?

He was due to hit one. Play the percentages... 02-13-banana
 
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(01-23-2013 02:34 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:34 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:29 PM)ToddGack Wrote:  Well, Cash is hitting a robust 31% from 3 in BE conference play. Not exactly automatic.

45% in conference play before the bad showing yesterday. Fun with small sample sizes...

Check the stats again, hot shot. He was 11/30.

Best 3-pt. shooting percentages, UC players, big east games only:
Cash 11-30, 36.7%
Parker 8-22, 36.3%
S K 19-56, 33.9%
Sanders 5-16, 31.2%

Cash was our best option based on percentages. 03-nutkick 02-13-banana 03-lmfao
 
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Those really aren't bad 3 pt. percentages; I thought they would be worse. a 34% 3 pt. percentage is equivalent to 51% 2 pt. percentage.
 
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