(01-31-2013 12:30 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Dayton or SLU would be excellent additions to the MVC if left out by the C7 in favor of Creighton and VCU. From an athletic standpoint, moving to the MVC would be a huge improvement over remaining in a decimated A10.

The MVC's other choices to replace Creighton, as I see it, would be New Mexico St. (a former MVC member) or Denver. These would stretch the MVC westward, but they have solid fanbases and recently have been competitive.

NM State was in the Valley. I don't see them going back. They need a place for football, plus travel would be a challenge (but it would a challenge in the SunBelt too). I think Denver wants to go to WCC. It makes more sense. Seattle and Denver should stick together. They would fit nicely in the WCC.

I am not sure about Dayton's east coast ties, but a ton of kids from Milwaukee go there. Dayton is run by an order with a strong presence in St. Louis too. So, they have significant midwest ties. If X, Butler and Dayton all leave the A-10, I gotta think SLU will head back to the Valley. It really would be a challenge financially for SLU with Duquense being your closest conference mate. Plus, the would be a perfect geographic fit. If Dayton is the one left behind, I think they stay in the A-10. UE and Bradley are somewhat close, but the east coast schools seem to be a better fit.

I know the MVC heads love the idea of SLU and if they were left out, there would be a strong push to get them. I believe the same would happen for Dayton.

I'm not opposed to the MVC looking at NMSU or Denver, but our poorer schools are in the east and I think any westward expansion would be met with tantrums being thrown by some of those schools. More likely, we'd look at Milwaukee, Wright State, Murray State and Belmont. Slight possibility at the Dakotas and even ORU being considered. I'm not sure there are any other schools that would get much of a look. None of them are world beaters, but some could have more potential in a bit of a higher profile conference. I'd actually consider looking into someone like Arlington as well. I know some of us recruit Texas pretty well in a few sports so that wouldn't suck from my point of view. But more research into overall health of their schools and budgets would need to be looked at as well as their potential.

(01-31-2013 12:46 PM)MU88 Wrote:  NM State was in the Valley. I don't see them going back. They need a place for football, plus travel would be a challenge (but it would a challenge in the SunBelt too). I think Denver wants to go to WCC. It makes more sense. Seattle and Denver should stick together. They would fit nicely in the WCC.

I am not sure about Dayton's east coast ties, but a ton of kids from Milwaukee go there. Dayton is run by an order with a strong presence in St. Louis too. So, they have significant midwest ties. If X, Butler and Dayton all leave the A-10, I gotta think SLU will head back to the Valley. It really would be a challenge financially for SLU with Duquense being your closest conference mate. Plus, the would be a perfect geographic fit. If Dayton is the one left behind, I think they stay in the A-10. UE and Bradley are somewhat close, but the east coast schools seem to be a better fit.

I think SLU are going to end up in the C7, but if they aren't invited, it isn't nearly so certain that they'll join the MVC. I don't what they'll decide to do, but I know one thing for certain; SLU strongly perfers to be in an eastern oriented conference. It's the reason SLU joined the A-10 and not the MVC when they left CUSA. The decision was very much driven by a desire to increase SLU's exposure in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. They'll be very reluctant to give that up. I agree with you as far as Dayton is concerned.

SLU taking it to Butler right now.

(01-31-2013 10:49 PM)bmorex Wrote:  SLU taking it to Butler right now.

what? impossible! i thought st louis was a downer and would never amount to anything? How can they be beating a top 10 team? Who do they think they are?, VCU?

As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

You have also gone 50+ years without going to the second weekend in the NCAA tournament (a streak that still continues), and had a period of 37 years without a single appearance. Being good now helps, but the historic weakness is the main cause for concern.

I am against SLU joining unless they can show a record of post-season success over the next 3-5 years, beginning with a good showing this year. Too many questions on the basketball side. That said, I would definitely accept them if they prove that their new-found commitment will translate to the NCAA.

(02-04-2013 10:39 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

You have also gone 50+ years without going to the second weekend in the NCAA tournament (a streak that still continues), and had a period of 37 years without a single appearance. Being good now helps, but the historic weakness is the main cause for concern.

I am against SLU joining unless they can show a record of post-season success over the next 3-5 years, beginning with a good showing this year. Too many questions on the basketball side. That said, I would definitely accept them if they prove that their new-found commitment will translate to the NCAA.

Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

Georgetown fan here, don't really want you, so that argument goes out the window. SLU is boring. Could they compete, sure, but so could lots of other schools. The more big names in the conference the better. Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier - those are schools with sex appeal. VCU has some sex appeal right now, Gonzaga has lots.

Creighton, SLU, Dayton, WSU -- could eventually get it by being associated with the schools above but right now they don't have it. Of those 4 though, I think Creighton could get it the fastest.

Also slightly off topic, I watched SLU playing Dayton on CBS Sports the other day, and man what the F is that mascot SLU has on the court. Looks like a deranged Dr. Seuss character. If they join we need to require them to hire a graphic designer and do that over.

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

1. No one writes "University" on here. My school is St. John's University but calling us St. John's is not some slight.

2. I think the current members are doing okay with the media market thing. NYC, Chicago, DC, Philly...

(02-04-2013 10:46 AM)nathanhm Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

Georgetown fan here, don't really want you, so that argument goes out the window. SLU is boring. Could they compete, sure, but so could lots of other schools. The more big names in the conference the better. Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier - those are schools with sex appeal. VCU has some sex appeal right now, Gonzaga has lots.

Creighton, SLU, Dayton, WSU -- could eventually get it by being associated with the schools above but right now they don't have it. Of those 4 though, I think Creighton could get it the fastest.

Also slightly off topic, I watched SLU playing Dayton on CBS Sports the other day, and man what the F is that mascot SLU has on the court. Looks like a deranged Dr. Seuss character. If they join we need to require them to hire a graphic designer and do that over.

1. SLU brings more to the table than any of the other candidates, Butler, X, Gonzaga included. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the good fathers, and layman, in your school's case don't. They're smart men, they get.
2. It's called a Billiken. I find that funny coming from someone who cheers for a hoya, whatever that means.

(02-04-2013 10:45 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

(02-04-2013 11:05 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:45 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

(02-04-2013 11:00 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:46 AM)nathanhm Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

Georgetown fan here, don't really want you, so that argument goes out the window. SLU is boring. Could they compete, sure, but so could lots of other schools. The more big names in the conference the better. Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier - those are schools with sex appeal. VCU has some sex appeal right now, Gonzaga has lots.

Creighton, SLU, Dayton, WSU -- could eventually get it by being associated with the schools above but right now they don't have it. Of those 4 though, I think Creighton could get it the fastest.

Also slightly off topic, I watched SLU playing Dayton on CBS Sports the other day, and man what the F is that mascot SLU has on the court. Looks like a deranged Dr. Seuss character. If they join we need to require them to hire a graphic designer and do that over.

1. SLU brings more to the table than any of the other candidates, Butler, X, Gonzaga included. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the good fathers, and layman, in your school's case don't. They're smart men, they get.
2. It's called a Billiken. I find that funny coming from someone who cheers for a hoya, whatever that means.

Whoah. Getting a bit ahead of yourself I see.

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:05 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:45 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

You have no National Championships.

(02-04-2013 11:17 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:05 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:45 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

You have no National Championships.

Any basketball fan should understand that in 1948, the NIT was a more prestigious tournament than the NCAA Tournament, and is a de facto national championship.
However, my point was to say that our 1948 championship has as little relevance in 2013 as anything going back past 20 years.

(02-04-2013 11:00 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:46 AM)nathanhm Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

Georgetown fan here, don't really want you, so that argument goes out the window. SLU is boring. Could they compete, sure, but so could lots of other schools. The more big names in the conference the better. Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier - those are schools with sex appeal. VCU has some sex appeal right now, Gonzaga has lots.

Creighton, SLU, Dayton, WSU -- could eventually get it by being associated with the schools above but right now they don't have it. Of those 4 though, I think Creighton could get it the fastest.

Also slightly off topic, I watched SLU playing Dayton on CBS Sports the other day, and man what the F is that mascot SLU has on the court. Looks like a deranged Dr. Seuss character. If they join we need to require them to hire a graphic designer and do that over.

1. SLU brings more to the table than any of the other candidates, Butler, X, Gonzaga included. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the good fathers, and layman, in your school's case don't. They're smart men, they get.
2. It's called a Billiken. I find that funny coming from someone who cheers for a hoya, whatever that means.

Okay point 1 is just stupid. If SLU were that amazing, how is everyone failing to see it? Butler and Xavier are locks, were still discussing ways to make Gonzaga join and they are multiple time zones away. Why isn't SLU a lock? Outside of Majerus (RIP) I don't know jack about your program, which is very telling.

As for point 2 the Billiken is butt ugly. Looks like a 3rd grader drew it. My complaint wasn't with your team name, it was how ugly it makes your court look. So you can rip on the Hoya name but our court doesn't look stupid.

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

When you say "every, and not just basketball" it means "every." As in, they are top half in basketball AND everything else.

Also, Forbes has St. Louis as the #257 school, not a top 100, so they aren't a unanimous top school. Also, the current endowment is listed as $852 million, not $1 billion.

(02-04-2013 11:26 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

When you say "every, and not just basketball" it means "every." As in, they are top half in basketball AND everything else.

Also, Forbes has St. Louis as the #257 school, not a top 100, so they aren't a unanimous top school. Also, the current endowment is listed as $852 million, not $1 billion.

Forbes is a worldwide ranking. I'm referring to US News. and $852 million is close to $1 billion, which is what I said.

(02-04-2013 11:25 AM)nathanhm Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:00 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:46 AM)nathanhm Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:25 AM)AMDG Wrote:  As you will be hearing from a lot more of us in the coming weeks, I wanted to make a few things clear:
1. The school is called Saint Louis University. SLU is acceptable as well. It is ok to refer to the city as St. Louis, but not the University.
2. Anyone who is doubting whether or not we are "worthy" of this new conference, must either be from one of the schools that is competing for a spot against us or from one of the dregs of the C7.

Let's get real here. You know you want us. We bring the facilities, institutional pedigree, and media market size/share that is sorely lacking from both a number of candidates, and frankly, a number of current members.

I know the university presidents (not internet posters) who will be making this decision understands this. And I'm willing to bet that they don't see anybody, including our less-established Jesuit brothers in Cincinnati at X as being a better candidate for this new conference. So enjoy bringing us into the fold. Come visit the Chaifetz Arena when your team comes to town and we might just buy you a beer (yes, we serve at our beautiful facility). But if you think for one minute that we can't hang, just ask the other teams being considered, because we've beaten everyone of them in the last 13 months, with exception of VCU (whose beat-down is but weeks away), and Creighton.

Georgetown fan here, don't really want you, so that argument goes out the window. SLU is boring. Could they compete, sure, but so could lots of other schools. The more big names in the conference the better. Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier - those are schools with sex appeal. VCU has some sex appeal right now, Gonzaga has lots.

Creighton, SLU, Dayton, WSU -- could eventually get it by being associated with the schools above but right now they don't have it. Of those 4 though, I think Creighton could get it the fastest.

Also slightly off topic, I watched SLU playing Dayton on CBS Sports the other day, and man what the F is that mascot SLU has on the court. Looks like a deranged Dr. Seuss character. If they join we need to require them to hire a graphic designer and do that over.

1. SLU brings more to the table than any of the other candidates, Butler, X, Gonzaga included. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the good fathers, and layman, in your school's case don't. They're smart men, they get.
2. It's called a Billiken. I find that funny coming from someone who cheers for a hoya, whatever that means.

Okay point 1 is just stupid. If SLU were that amazing, how is everyone failing to see it? Butler and Xavier are locks, were still discussing ways to make Gonzaga join and they are multiple time zones away. Why isn't SLU a lock? Outside of Majerus (RIP) I don't know jack about your program, which is very telling.

As for point 2 the Billiken is butt ugly. Looks like a 3rd grader drew it. My complaint wasn't with your team name, it was how ugly it makes your court look. So you can rip on the Hoya name but our court doesn't look stupid.

Point 1: I'm sure the university presidents who will be making the decisions know how great SLU is, and in quite a few cases in the C7, better than their own institution. Its the morons on this thread that post about WSU and other crap that don't get it.

Point 2: This is just stupid.