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Now That We Know the Fate of SDSU...
A few thoughts to ponder after SDSU declared yesterday:

Considering ANY bragging rights need to be won on the field, it seems to me -- if we are going to at all realistic about the current situation -- the following is where we are at the moment.

1. MWC "wins". They appear to have a very solid, stable conference, with our without BYU, or going to 14 or 16. It's hard to argue with their lineup, as it exists.

2. BE "wins" with a well-known caveat. They have the makings of a stable and competitive eastern league. Their western strategy actually made them more suspect, and now that that is gone, they should be able to stabilize and be very strong at 12 with one more addition (Army, anyone??). The caveat: they are at the mercy of what happens in the ACC.

3. The MWC and BE are in the best position to be a step ahead of the rest of the mid-majors in terms of competing with the Power 5, although there are no guarantees on who will be the annual winner of the BCS lottery. This matters most in recruiting and may help with TV revenue negotiations later...depending upon on-field performance.

4. C-USA "wins" by building the best conference available to it. No one is coming home, folks, and the additions we do have fit in very well. The conference is shaping up to be a very competitive mid-level conference, a step below the MWC and BE, and most seem to agree that there is tremendous up-side potential, but we need to earn respect. We are still vulnerable to losses, but have very credible teams waiting (WKU, ULL, NMSU, ArkSt) to back fill if that happens. No one needs to shed a tear for C-USA. Most of our members know where we are and what we need to do.

5. MAC "wins" by simply doing what it is doing. I think we all envy their stability, and every year, someone comes out of that conference to bite your butt.

6. Sunbelt has the toughest road to a "win". But they can get there by sticking to a Regionally compact strategy that judiciously serves as the proving ground for strong football and basketball call-ups. I"m not a huge fan of call-ups, but Marshall was a call-up in 1996, and I can't deny others the opportunity. The SBC has the potential to be a very solid, competitive conference, in its own right.

don't you think it's time we started acknowledging some of this?
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(01-17-2013 10:57 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  2. BE "wins" with a well-known caveat. They have the makings of a stable and competitive eastern league. Their western strategy actually made them more suspect, and now that that is gone, they should be able to stabilize and be very strong at 12 with one more addition (Army, anyone??). The caveat: they are at the mercy of what happens in the ACC.

I would imagine Tulsa is on deck before Army. Tulsa football >> Army football, and the nBE will have to prove itself on the gridiron.
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(01-17-2013 11:06 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2013 10:57 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  2. BE "wins" with a well-known caveat. They have the makings of a stable and competitive eastern league. Their western strategy actually made them more suspect, and now that that is gone, they should be able to stabilize and be very strong at 12 with one more addition (Army, anyone??). The caveat: they are at the mercy of what happens in the ACC.

I would imagine Tulsa is on deck before Army. Tulsa football >> Army football, and the nBE will have to prove itself on the gridiron.

Service academies always seem like a great idea, but it can turn up not being good. C-USA found that out with Army and that marriage ended in divorce pretty fast.
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(01-17-2013 01:06 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  
(01-17-2013 11:06 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2013 10:57 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  2. BE "wins" with a well-known caveat. They have the makings of a stable and competitive eastern league. Their western strategy actually made them more suspect, and now that that is gone, they should be able to stabilize and be very strong at 12 with one more addition (Army, anyone??). The caveat: they are at the mercy of what happens in the ACC.

I would imagine Tulsa is on deck before Army. Tulsa football >> Army football, and the nBE will have to prove itself on the gridiron.

Service academies always seem like a great idea, but it can turn up not being good. C-USA found that out with Army and that marriage ended in divorce pretty fast.

You're correct, particularly for Army.

Air Force has had some success over a few decades and Navy has been since, but for some reason Army appears stuck in some time warp that it can't break away from.
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RE: Now That We Know the Fate of SDSU...
MWC is the biggest winner by far. They keep Boise which is has a chance to get into the BCS on any given season. In addition , they keep SDSU which is a good football school and is rising to the top of men's basketball.

Unfortunately, as a UTEP fan, this likely means UTEP will not get an invite.

No offense to CUSA, but UTEP is just a better fit in MWC.
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(01-17-2013 10:57 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  A few thoughts to ponder after SDSU declared yesterday:

Considering ANY bragging rights need to be won on the field, it seems to me -- if we are going to at all realistic about the current situation -- the following is where we are at the moment.

1. MWC "wins". They appear to have a very solid, stable conference, with our without BYU, or going to 14 or 16. It's hard to argue with their lineup, as it exists.

2. BE "wins" with a well-known caveat. They have the makings of a stable and competitive eastern league. Their western strategy actually made them more suspect, and now that that is gone, they should be able to stabilize and be very strong at 12 with one more addition (Army, anyone??). The caveat: they are at the mercy of what happens in the ACC.

3. The MWC and BE are in the best position to be a step ahead of the rest of the mid-majors in terms of competing with the Power 5, although there are no guarantees on who will be the annual winner of the BCS lottery. This matters most in recruiting and may help with TV revenue negotiations later...depending upon on-field performance.

4. C-USA "wins" by building the best conference available to it. No one is coming home, folks, and the additions we do have fit in very well. The conference is shaping up to be a very competitive mid-level conference, a step below the MWC and BE, and most seem to agree that there is tremendous up-side potential, but we need to earn respect. We are still vulnerable to losses, but have very credible teams waiting (WKU, ULL, NMSU, ArkSt) to back fill if that happens. No one needs to shed a tear for C-USA. Most of our members know where we are and what we need to do.

5. MAC "wins" by simply doing what it is doing. I think we all envy their stability, and every year, someone comes out of that conference to bite your butt.

6. Sunbelt has the toughest road to a "win". But they can get there by sticking to a Regionally compact strategy that judiciously serves as the proving ground for strong football and basketball call-ups. I"m not a huge fan of call-ups, but Marshall was a call-up in 1996, and I can't deny others the opportunity. The SBC has the potential to be a very solid, competitive conference, in its own right.

don't you think it's time we started acknowledging some of this?

If no further alignment changes happen. MWC appears to be the strongest of the non big 5.

As bad as things have been for nBE. They still are a good conference. If they can lock down a decent TV contract and not have Navy renig they are sitting pretty. Add 1 or 2 solid additions and they possibily vault MWC.

CUSA has put together a nice bunch with the resources they had available. If things slow down and Tulsa/UTEP/USM/Marshall stay put the future looks bright. If UTSA/ODU/Charlotte can shed their training bras ahead of schedule that bodes well for the conferences' image. If we have more defections we start to look a little more waterdowned but still viable. IMO its important both West/East divisions remain relatively geographically sound.

Sunbelt. Its tough being at the bottom. CUSA isn't that much further ahead so we feel your pain. At a moments notice they could easily lose 4-5 teams. Good news is there are plenty of call up FCS teams available.
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(01-17-2013 02:03 PM)SApuro Wrote:  If no further alignment changes happen. MWC appears to be the strongest of the non big 5.

As bad as things have been for nBE. They still are a good conference. If they can lock down a decent TV contract and not have Navy renig they are sitting pretty. Add 1 or 2 solid additions and they possibily vault MWC.

CUSA has put together a nice bunch with the resources they had available. If things slow down and Tulsa/UTEP/USM/Marshall stay put the future looks bright. If UTSA/ODU/Charlotte can shed their training bras ahead of schedule that bodes well for the conferences' image. If we have more defections we start to look a little more waterdowned but still viable. IMO its important both West/East divisions remain relatively geographically sound.

Sunbelt. Its tough being at the bottom. CUSA isn't that much further ahead so we feel your pain. At a moments notice they could easily lose 4-5 teams. Good news is there are plenty of call up FCS teams available.

That's a very well articulated analysis. I'd only comment that based on the current landscape, CUSA is in a much, much stronger position for the short term than the SBC and the distance between the two will only grow in the future.
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Good news is there are plenty of call up FCS teams available. (quote)

And. That excites to no end. Whoopeee!
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This conference has gone full retard. Yeah, I may be over-dramatic, but this new conference is making me lose interest in my team and college sports in general. Sorry new guys, I just don't have any reason to want to watch my team play you every year.....

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(01-17-2013 03:34 PM)USAFminersfan Wrote:  This conference has gone full retard. Yeah, I may be over-dramatic, but this new conference is making me lose interest in my team and college sports in general. Sorry new guys, I just don't have any reason to want to watch my team play you every year.....

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Oh my, I wonder what you would have said when C-USA started. As for the new guys, I have to say you might do well to research them more intently because there is a lot of potential in them and some have already shown they are far better than most would know. I would tell you to give it a chance and remember the original conference membership was often scoffed at in the same way.
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Very good post OP. I think there are a couple key things to consider. In the group of 5 conferences the strength of the conference is only real important if A) You expect it to result in a significantly bigger TV deal than the other conferences (not sure I see this for any Go5 conference) or B) You feel your conference will prove strong enough to be included in the AQ bids (I REALLY don't see this for any Go5 conference because the "Haves" have no desire to include anyone else regardless of on the field results).

I know this is competitive sports and every conference wants to be as good as possible so I am not marginalizing this. Also obviously if 2 teams have the same record at the end of the year, the one from the stronger conference will get the nod. At the same time an undefeated team from any Go5 conference will likely get the bid over a 1 or 2 loss team so being in an "easier" conference may not be all bad.

I'm also not saying this to talk down to C-USA or any conference in particular. It is quite likely that with Boise in the BE they would be taking the bid (or at least winning the conference) their fair share. With them gone it opens things up for other BE teams.

The only conference where making your SOS (or conference RPI) as tough as possible seems to be a fool proof plan is the SEC where voters/computers seem to be able to overlook a loss (or not even winning your division) and are still able to put you in the mNC game. Losses will be near fatal to Go5 teams, so bumping your SOS a couple spots while taking a loss isn't going to do your team any favors. I think the Go5 is set up for a lot of parity and it will be interesting to see where that final bid goes each year.
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(01-17-2013 03:34 PM)USAFminersfan Wrote:  This conference has gone full retard. Yeah, I may be over-dramatic, but this new conference is making me lose interest in my team and college sports in general. Sorry new guys, I just don't have any reason to want to watch my team play you every year.....

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Don't let it get to you...this is the same s*** that went on in 2004. Except some of the posters defending their new homes were playing the role of Tallgrass back then.

Stuff will calm down soon enough and your favorite program is still your favorite program and worthy of your undying support just the same (unless you're a Ped State fan).
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(01-17-2013 05:06 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2013 03:34 PM)USAFminersfan Wrote:  This conference has gone full retard. Yeah, I may be over-dramatic, but this new conference is making me lose interest in my team and college sports in general. Sorry new guys, I just don't have any reason to want to watch my team play you every year.....

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Don't let it get to you...this is the same s*** that went on in 2004. Except some of the posters defending their new homes were playing the role of Tallgrass back then.

Stuff will calm down soon enough and your favorite program is still your favorite program and worthy of your undying support just the same (unless you're a Ped State fan).

Back when we joined the Sun Belt in 2001, we weren't that thrilled with playing a lot of the team we played, but about 4-5 years in, the rivalries started to develop and we started to look forward to playing the teams. May not be the same for UTEP, but as with most things in life, it's not nearly as bad as you think.
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(01-17-2013 03:46 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  
(01-17-2013 03:34 PM)USAFminersfan Wrote:  This conference has gone full retard. Yeah, I may be over-dramatic, but this new conference is making me lose interest in my team and college sports in general. Sorry new guys, I just don't have any reason to want to watch my team play you every year.....

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Oh my, I wonder what you would have said when C-USA started. As for the new guys, I have to say you might do well to research them more intently because there is a lot of potential in them and some have already shown they are far better than most would know. I would tell you to give it a chance and remember the original conference membership was often scoffed at in the same way.

..all very good points
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