I don't want the Big East name.

But it would be a cold, dark day in the pits of hell before the C7 got their hands on it.

(01-12-2013 07:14 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 07:10 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 05:14 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 04:07 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 01:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  .

Try reading my post before responding and it will help with conversation.

Didn't say they didn't mess up on the contract. I said it didn't matter because the contract would have been invalidated. There has been a cloud over the BEast since the first wave of raids and the call to join any of the big five would then and now be met with a quick yes from anyone then and now. A Canceled contract is no contract and no money. That is not my opinion. That came straight from a round table discussion of media execs. So that $9-11 million means no more than the email notification you get saying you just won the Nigerian lottery.

I specifically said he C7 + 5 would make more money but an uneven split will cause problems. That is a fact because it has already started. And it matters a great deal if the network is not on an available cable package or is so buried people not only can't find it they don't even bother to look.

I specifically addressed negotiations for the name and MSG but right now the BEast owns it and will use that ownership for leverage in contract negotiations. A $500,000,000 contract means nothing if the teams can't leave for 27 months and is tied up in court. That's why I mentioned the one year timeframe which was also the scenario floated by the media execs. So yes there is a real possibility that the C7 +5 end up with both but it will come with a price tag and a likely contract link for whatever they call here we are going.

The only thing I shared that was my opinion was the B12 by 2015 which I specifically said had conditions of another raid wave including TX. Pipedream? Maybe but nearly two years ago I shared some info about support from some B12 coaches and admin. and it's still there. I got that straight from a B12 university administrator back then and now. And I think a good reader would notice I said the longer the BEast can hold together the more time e have to get ready.

The last two sentences could have been cut-n-paste from other posts I have made.

I read your post. The lack of an established contract has hurt the Big East in many ways. If we had a decent contract, we might still have Boise and the C7. The continual loss of value was the reason they bailed. SDSU will most likely follow, and honestly it makes sense for both parties for this to happen. The Big East is desperate for any decent football teams, so they are trying to keep them. I'd be very surprised if they stay, but we'll know soon enough. And we still don't have a deal, and the longer it takes, the more likely it will be devalued.

I agree that the contract would have been renegotiated with the mass exodus. And I agree that Louisville, Rutgers, Pitt. etc, would still be gone.

I'm still very pleased where we are. It's far better than where we left. I'd rather be with the best of the C-USA than the dregs.

The Big 12? Come on. Face reality. We add no value and they aren't going to share their money with us. Can we get there? Possibly, but we are miles away now. I hope we keep improving our product so that one day we have a chance. The very best thing that could happen is that realignment slows for a few years while we improve.

My guess is that the C7 will be real happy with $500 million and Fox. IT'S THE MONEY!! If ESPN offers $300 million, who will they sign with? If the nBE gets big money with CSS, they'll take it. Obviously, the big money comes from the big networks since they are the only ones that can pay it.

you keep trying to measure where we are now with what was being offered before the last exodus when you should be measuring vs zero. Boise was lured by the promise of something bigger even though the move made no sense In any other way. If the BEast had accepted the contract offer and then it was withdrawn, how would Boise have made a different choice? We would have been at zero then just like we are now.

If anything we have a bargaining chip now we didn't have then. The C7 exit created more value for the BEast name simply in reference to possession. They want it and we own it. That provides leverage with The parent network to free up the C7 inventory.

So what if Fox comes to the league and says, look guys. We know how this is going to end up. Lawsuits costing a ton of money, schools forced to stay together in a state of resentment and a hold on all tv contracts for 27 months. Sign away the Beast name and let the C7 go and we'll partner in a split BB and FB package for x-hundred million. That provides the nBEast the leverage it needs to play ESPN, CSS and Fox against each other.

Nobody knows how this will end. Nobody. But there is room for somebody with big private parts to make a play that provides more than $40 mil a year.

In the future we know whatever we re called will get raided as will likely the B12 and the ACC.
The SEC is king. The B10+ is next followed by PAC. They will set the the for the next wave.

As for the B12. If the top four are stolen away which is as likely ad not, who fills those slots? Memphis due to location, TV market, BB and hopefully a much improved FB program can be at the table. It won't be the same B12 just like it is not the same BEast.

It's just speculation whether the ACC or the B12 gets hit next with realignment but it really doesn't matter. We need rather to be discussing the eventual conference home for our university in terms of the top 64 schools divided into 4 conferences of 16 schools that will eventually be the makeup of the power conferences. In the thread that discussed it in those terms there was consensus that we will not be one of those schools. There will be a weaker 5th conference (probably either the ACC or the B12 bringing the power schools to the top 80) of up to 16 schools (the make up being determined by $$) that will be perceived as one of the power conference just not as strong as the other 4 (by revenue comparisons). So the question is can Memphis be a part of that weaker 5th power conference? Again the consensus seems to be we are not currently.

So unless & until Memphis makes the jump in public perception that we are one of the top 80 athletic schools in the country, we will be continually disappointed by the realigment decisions that seem to be happening with increasing frequency and with more ultimate finality.

Atlanta,

Great post. I think it's really as simple as that. I also believe it will eventually be four, sixteen team conferences. I don't see us there yet, but I think making the fifth conference is viable in the next few years if we make big strides in football.

When this happens is anyone's guess, but we need to keep investing in our facilities and programs. Hopefully we will be included when this happens. I'd be very surprised if things don't shake out like you are predicting.

(01-14-2013 08:13 AM)madtiger Wrote:  I don't want the Big East name.

But it would be a cold, dark day in the pits of hell before the C7 got their hands on it.

We need the Big East name.

The C7 can play in the Father Guido Sarducci Church League