Who from Boise, UNLV, Nev, Frenso, SJST, SDSt, HAW plays in Mountain Div.
I'd say no body, MWC needs 2 schools to balance div, 3 if BYU comes back
granted UTEP a no brainer [unless BE invites them], who is 14,
UTSA, NoTex, Rice, LousT.
or Move UtahSt west & go after Hous, SMU, Memphis & UTEP

(01-14-2013 04:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Who from Boise, UNLV, Nev, Frenso, SJST, SDSt, HAW plays in Mountain Div.
I'd say no body, MWC needs 2 schools to balance div, 3 if BYU comes back
granted UTEP a no brainer [unless BE invites them], who is 14,
UTSA, NoTex, Rice, LousT.
or Move UtahSt west & go after Hous, SMU, Memphis & UTEP

If we stay at 12 BSU would be in the Mountain. Fresno, SJSU, SDSU, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii in West.

(01-14-2013 04:46 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Who from Boise, UNLV, Nev, Frenso, SJST, SDSt, HAW plays in Mountain Div.
I'd say no body, MWC needs 2 schools to balance div, 3 if BYU comes back
granted UTEP a no brainer [unless BE invites them], who is 14,
UTSA, NoTex, Rice, LousT.
or Move UtahSt west & go after Hous, SMU, Memphis & UTEP

If we stay at 12 BSU would be in the Mountain. Fresno, SJSU, SDSU, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii in West.

That is why I am pretty positive we go to 14. Boise does not want to be with the Range schools. Not that they are bad just that there is no history with them. Byu or Hou on the other side would be awesome IMHO.

that has been my point 7 in west & 5 in mountain.
the only way MWC gets Hous is in a block with SMU, UTEP & Memphis.
Once MWC takes 2 [UTSA & Tulsa] Block is broken & Hous is locked out.
IF MWC stretches to Memphis, with more realinement, MWC has options now to backfill.
Also I think if BYU comes back, they also want west div.

(01-14-2013 11:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  that has been my point 7 in west & 5 in mountain.
the only way MWC gets Hous is in a block with SMU, UTEP & Memphis.
Once MWC takes 2 [UTSA & Tulsa] Block is broken & Hous is locked out.
IF MWC stretches to Memphis, with more realinement, MWC has options now to backfill.
Also I think if BYU comes back, they also want west div.

BSU is in the mountains. Houston, SMU are not going west. They have far more ties to the east. Tulsa will probably be invited to the nBE soon, they want to be w/ SMU and Tulane if possible. BYU won't come back as long as they have espn. So realistic options beyond 12 are UTEP, UTSA, Rice. I don't know how much weight BSU carries but if they demand to be in the west then we may go to 14 or move someone out of place like UNLV or Nevada. Balance wise BSU belongs in the east. The way it would be now w/o anyone out of place you'd have 4 bowl teams in the west(Fresno, SDSU, SJSU, Nevada), 3(BSU, AFA, USU) in the east. Moving BSU to the west would put all 3 tri champs in the same div.

(01-14-2013 11:33 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 11:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  that has been my point 7 in west & 5 in mountain.
the only way MWC gets Hous is in a block with SMU, UTEP & Memphis.
Once MWC takes 2 [UTSA & Tulsa] Block is broken & Hous is locked out.
IF MWC stretches to Memphis, with more realinement, MWC has options now to backfill.
Also I think if BYU comes back, they also want west div.

BSU is in the mountains. Houston, SMU are not going west. They have far more ties to the east. Tulsa will probably be invited to the nBE soon, they want to be w/ SMU and Tulane if possible. BYU won't come back as long as they have espn. So realistic options beyond 12 are UTEP, UTSA, Rice. I don't know how much weight BSU carries but if they demand to be in the west then we may go to 14 or move someone out of place like UNLV or Nevada. Balance wise BSU belongs in the east. The way it would be now w/o anyone out of place you'd have 4 bowl teams in the west(Fresno, SDSU, SJSU, Nevada), 3(BSU, AFA, USU) in the east. Moving BSU to the west would put all 3 tri champs in the same div.

The MWC bent over for Boise on the TV deal, don't be surprised if they bend over for them in this topic as well...

There are a lot of possibilities but the one thing you don’t want to do is to fill for the sake of filling. Meaning, don’t add a UTEP when there is still a chance that we could still add BYU or cherry pick the Big East or whatever. Be patient. Make certain that the schools you add are schools that you “really want”; not schools that you are “settling for”.

With the return of SDSU, if BYU will come as well, we’d be at 13. If Houston & SMU will come, then great, bring in Tulsa or Tulane and we are at 16, like this…

Northern Division
Air Force & Boise State
BYU & Utah State
Colorado State & Wyoming
Nevada & San Jose State

Southern Division
Fresno State & San Diego State
Houston & Tulsa or Tulane
Hawai’i & UNLV
New Mexico & SMU

But if BYU won’t come, then either stay at 12 or, if they will come, go to 14 with Houston & SMU (without adding Tulsa/Tulane) like this…

Northern Division
Air Force & Boise State
Colorado State & Wyoming
Nevada & San Jose State
Utah State

Southern Division
Fresno State & San Diego State
Hawai’i & UNLV
New Mexico & SMU
Houston

Personally, I like the idea of going bigger. I have favored the “national conference” that the nBE hinted at but you could go with an abbreviated version of it that kept a tighter footprint, like this…

Western Division
Air Force & Boise State
BYU & Utah State
Colorado State & Wyoming
Fresno State & San Diego State
Hawai’i & San Jose State

Eastern Division
Cincinnati & Memphis
Houston & Tulsa
Louisiana Tech & Tulane
Nevada & UNLV
New Mexico & SMU

That would be a hell of a basketball conference. If Cincy wanted to be an auxiliary member and play football only, then you’d have to pick up a non-football auxiliary membership to fill in. Or maybe you wouldn’t, because Hawai’i is football only so the two divisions would match. But frankly, I would like to make Hawai’i an all-sports member.

And finally, I don’t really think we could put together the full national, “best of the rest” conference, that I’ve been touting as we’ve settled for too many schools instead of being patient. As a result, we would either have to go very big – almost a merger with the nBE – in order to balance out the divisions or we would have to make an eastern division that is so spread out that it would create some pretty significant travel problems.

Yoda out…


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If BYU returns, I like 18 with Hous,SMU,UTEP,Memphis & Tulane.
With 8 conf games, now you tell BCS schools 1for1 or don't bother calling.
complete OOC sch with crossover games, that 110 FB games to sell with no duds.

(01-15-2013 08:35 AM)Yoda Wrote:  If Houston & SMU will come, then great, bring in Tulsa or Tulane and we are at 16... That would be a hell of a basketball conference. If Cincy wanted to be an auxiliary member and play football only, then you’d have to pick up a non-football auxiliary membership to fill in.

Tulane, really? Go smoke another bowl bro. Why not Temple and Rice while you're at it?

Good school academically.

Had a pretty good program before Katrina hit and has a lot of potential in a decent market (although smaller than it was before Katrina).

Nice place to visit and brings a bowl game.

They were a really bad pick for the nBE if the nBE was trying to create a national conference as there were not many eastern slots in such a conference. But not a bad pick at all for an eastern division of the MWC if the goal is to create a regional division with a reasonably compact footprint. I mean I'd rather have UConn, Central Florida and South Florida but we've got western teams that would have to commute to those games and that would be tough -- too tough, in my mind.

And I said Tulsa OR Tulane.

Yoda out...


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IMO, Tulane would be just as bad an addition for the MWC as it was for the Big east, if not worse. But that's just me.

(01-15-2013 03:06 PM)eldermars Wrote:  
IMO, Tulane would be just as bad an addition for the MWC as it was for the Big east, if not worst. But that's just me.

Why? State your reasons.

Opinions without reasons are meaningless.

Yoda out...


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(01-15-2013 03:09 PM)Yoda Wrote:  Why? State your reasons.

Why not add them to an athletic conference? Because their athletics department sucks. Sounds like solid logic to me.