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RE: Tommy Tuberville An Unfair Target?
(01-11-2013 04:36 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
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(01-11-2013 07:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Stupid? Really.

Really. Look at the facts. If you follow the typical path: (recruit, redshirt, 4 playing years) the odds are much better than not you will finish under a different head coach (or two) than the one who recruited you. College football coaching stability is essentially a myth.
Vast majority of kids commit to personal relationships. It's just a fact. You think it should be different. It's not.

I'm not claiming all or even most recruits decide based upon the school (even defined in a very broad sense), I think it's a complex decision. And I think the current coaching staff should be taken into account in part because not all instability is created equal. But if it's my kid I make sure he understands this recruiting is puppy love and the fact is the coach is just doing a job and you will in all liklihood be at the school longer than he will as head coach going forward. That's reality in college football. You need to think beyond simply the current head coach to make the best decision for you and yeah I think considering where you would want to go if you couldn't or wouldn't be playing football is a very worthwhile consideration.

But the point is a school should live up to their end of the bargain the same way they would with a student who accepted an academic scholarship (granted the deadlines are different but the principle is the same).

I actually agree with this, but it could make for some awkward conversations where the new staff knows nothing whatsoever about a recruit. ["At the University of Cincinnati, we keep our commitments, but as for whether or not you can actually play for me, I've got no freaking idea...."]

I don't know that it is all that awkward coming from a guy who just took the job from the outside who doesn't even have a staff in place. I mean what else would one expect him to say (including the recruit and his parents)? It's honest. Plus there are ways to remain honest and buy time to make an evaluation of exactly how a kid would or wouldn't fit in with what you want in this recruiting class.
 
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Unless this kid is a son of a former player or has a dream to play at a certain school (usually the local University), football recruits sign on to the coach. Typically it is an assistant coach at that...
 
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(01-11-2013 04:09 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Why does it seem like ever since he was hired the media have really gone after him? Are they that upset that he went to little ol' UC?

Confusing to me as to what the motivation is for the media in zeroing in on UC other than smelling blood in the water. Dogs on a bone I guess?

What they are not getting is that even if every story they've reported is 100% true...that it's still no different than what is happening out there all of the time, every year. I know lots of current and former college athletes and while I don't personally like it, this is the way it is.

Families go through this once and so it hurts when something like this happens. They wanna lash out. The media is a willing partner and makes it look like the worst thing to ever happen. But the truth is that it is way more common than most realize.

Not an excuse, just an explanation.
 
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Pat Forde ‏@YahooForde
.@RecruitingAJC Talked to a Cincy source about the Demetrius Monday situation and was told there is another side to the story. ...

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Was told that there had been some staff communication with Monday; he was not completely out of the loop. That's what Cincinnati says.
 
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The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.
 
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(01-12-2013 09:46 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.

I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.
 
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Listen people! It is pretty damn clear by now that there is a SUBSTANTIAL media bias here.

When coaches leave UC to go somewhere, it's all about "moving up the ladder".

It wasn't until UC was able to hire TT, that Patrick went all ballistic about coaching jumping ship. No one in the media ever expressed a hint of outrage about Cincy's coaches leaving.

Let's see... papers in Atlanta (SEC country) and Massilon (B1G country) go in and put the microscope on UC. Honestly, is Cincinnati the first school ever to turn over a recruiting class amidst a coaching change?? I guess other schools have the right to oversign, then drop kids right before enrollment, but when UC's new coach wants to go a different direction than a player who committed under a different coach, it is simply not tolerated.

Why does any success that UC enjoys in football come with strings attached? Anyway, I won't fight it. I'm frankly glad we are getting SOME reaction, albeit a negative one. Who cares what they think?
 
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(01-12-2013 10:37 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Listen people! It is pretty damn clear by now that there is a SUBSTANTIAL media bias here.

When coaches leave UC to go somewhere, it's all about "moving up the ladder".

It wasn't until UC was able to hire TT, that Patrick went all ballistic about coaching jumping ship. No one in the media ever expressed a hint of outrage about Cincy's coaches leaving.

Let's see... papers in Atlanta (SEC country) and Massilon (B1G country) go in and put the microscope on UC. Honestly, is Cincinnati the first school ever to turn over a recruiting class amidst a coaching change?? I guess other schools have the right to oversign, then drop kids right before enrollment, but when UC's new coach wants to go a different direction than a player who committed under a different coach, it is simply not tolerated.

Why does any success that UC enjoys in football come with strings attached? Anyway, I won't fight it. I'm frankly glad we are getting SOME reaction, albeit a negative one. Who cares what they think?

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(01-12-2013 10:02 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:46 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.

I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...
 
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Kentucky has informed some of thier recruits to look else where since Stoops took over. It happens a lot.

The only reason this is an issue is because Tubs came to a school the establishment views as unworthy. If he had gone back to Auburn, nobody would have mentioned a damn thing. This is more about UC than it is about Tuberville. Same crap happened when Huggs started winning here, constant bitching and moaning from those in the media over everything, we should be used to it by now.
 
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Doc: Tuberville's UC recruiting off to rocky start
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Tommy Tuberville is 58 years old and admittedly has some old-school ways, but the new University of Cincinnati football coach also promises to bring some pizzazz to the table.
Pizzazz as in a high-flying, explosive offense.
"At Texas Tech we were No. 2 (nationally) in passing offense," Tuberville said. "We'll go very fast and we'll run a lot of plays. It'll be exciting to watch."
(Photo by The Enquirer's Joseph Fuqua II)


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Tommy Tuberville hasn’t fumbled at the goal line. There is no flag on the play. Recruiting is ugly and strange and the ugly strangeness cuts all ways. Stories of how “kids’’ pick their schools have been curling notebook pages for decades. Tuberville isn’t a scoundrel. He just coaches quasi-amateur football. A hint of scoundrel is in the DNA.

But the man is bumping into some furniture.

It’s probably not a good idea to alienate Massillon High. Massillon isn’t what it used to be. But it still produces big-time talent. And its influence isn’t slight. If the coach there calls you out, and you are the new UC football coach seeking inroads into the state’s motherlode of talent, you have made a tactical error.

Massillon quarterback Kyle Kempt had committed to UC when Butch Jones was still in Clifton. When Jones left, Kempt told Tuberville he would be re-thinking his options. Tuberville said UC would do likewise. The logic was, “You’re a quarterback. You’re important. We can’t operate on a ‘maybe’ basis with you.’’

UC moved on, and quickly signed another QB. That displeased Kempt and his coach.

"I think they thought he was going to go to Tennessee with Butch Jones and they offered another quarterback,’’ Massillon coach Jason Hall told the Canton Repository last week. “But that wasn't the case. Cincinnati will not be allowed back in Massillon on our campus as long as Jason Hall is in Massillon."

You could argue that Hall’s decision is hurting the very same players he’s trying to protect. Limiting an athlete’s college options isn’t Hall’s job. But his point is well taken. A deal is a deal, in most arenas of repute. In college football, a deal means nothing at all.

We shouldn’t forget that players do this to coaches, too. Few humans are less predictable than 18-year-olds. We’re talking typical 18-year-olds, not football studs whose self-importance grows with every text message and home visit. These kids aren’t great at managing life solo, let alone with an orchestra of self-interested voices competing for time and space in their heads.

Sometimes, mom and pop can control the noise. Just as often, they contribute to it.

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New football coach Tommy Tuberville watches practice at UC's practice bubble. / The Enquirer/Glenn Hartong

A few days after Hall was running off Tuberville, a high school linebacker named Alex Anzalone was a day from signing a letter of intent to attend Notre Dame. Anzalone changed his mind and signed with Florida instead, ostensibly over concerns that Irish coach Brian Kelly would be the next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

(You mean Brian “Dream Job’’ Kelly? That Brian Kelly? Yeah. Scoundrels of the world, unite.)

Before that, Anzalone had committed to Ohio State, then de-committed after he’d made contact with a Buckeyes fan. The larger problem was the fan, Charles Eric Waugh, was a registered sex offender. Lovely.

Anzalone didn’t know that. As soon as he found out, he turned his sights to Notre Dame. And so it goes.

Tuberville has ridden a whirlwind since his hiring a month ago. One of the biggest rides involved sorting out the recruits who’d agreed verbally to play for Jones. A UC source told me Saturday that every kid who’d made a verbal commitment to play in Clifton had been contacted by the new staff, and given his options.

At least one recruit went with Jones to Tennessee. Others de-committed and stayed available. Others, Tuberville decided he didn’t want. “Eight or 10 guys,’’ the source told me. A few of those players have complained publicly. They are right to howl. But don’t put all the blame on Tuberville.

The new sheriff arrives, he wants his own deputies. Signing Day is Feb. 6. Telling players at this late date they have to look elsewhere is heinous. It could also be a mistake, especially with the Massillon QB. Tuberville, who says he wants the bulk of his recruits to come from this region, has burned a bridge already.

That said, the system makes it all but inevitable.

The NCAA could amend that. It could declare January a “dead’’ period for recruiting. It could move back Signing Day a month, thus eliminating the urgency for a coach to leave a job before his team finishes its year, in a bowl game. It would give all involved another month to catch a breath and sort out the sordid details.

Colleges could do something even more radical. They could mandate that all contracts be five years. The coach can’t leave, the college can’t fire him. That’s one entire recruiting cycle. If both parties opt for shorter deals after that, OK. But set the first five in stone. That’d turn down the heat on the current madness.

Either that, or keep it as is. If Tuberville wins big at UC, nobody will care how screwed up the current system is. Except maybe a few players. Right now, they’re just commodities. That’s the real problem.

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I can say without a doubt that this is the most coverage of UC football recruiting that we've ever gotten. Too bad it's much ado about nothing. But it's in the spotlight no doubt.
 
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(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 10:02 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:46 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.

I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....
 
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(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
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(01-12-2013 09:46 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.

I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K). It was only after we hired tubby that we began to suck. I was one of the few on our boards calling for his lazy butt to be fired during the 2011 season. You can't lose 41-7 and 66-6 at home and expect to keep the fan base happy. Not in a football crazy state like Texas.

I realize this is your board and I will be respectful but lets sort out the lies here. Tubby is making almost the same as he was in Lubbock. You can go research the contract and the things that have to be met to make the money he was promised. As for facilities, not even close(61K>35K). As for Conference affiliation(Big 12> BE, MWC ACC), not even close.

Tubby lost his fire to coach and I hope he doesn't destroy what the previous 3 coaches built at UC.
 
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Dude seriously, go away. You have stalked every thread Tuberville related on every board yet claim that you don't care...
 
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(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 10:02 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:46 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  The media is just piling on. This is coming from somewhere, most likely west Texas as they are still having problems understanding why anyone would leave their beloved Texas to go to Ohio of all places. How about better pay, better facilities and a overall better opportunity. Some of this maybe coming from up north and Urban Meyer as well. Meyer is a snake in the grass if there ever was one. Tuberville is doing nothing wrong or different than any incoming coach. How many recruits did Jones turn away at UT recently? I'm certain not everyone with a commitment was honored.

I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K). It was only after we hired tubby that we began to suck. I was one of the few on our boards calling for his lazy butt to be fired during the 2011 season. You can't lose 41-7 and 66-6 at home and expect to keep the fan base happy. Not in a football crazy state like Texas.

I realize this is your board and I will be respectful but lets sort out the lies here. Tubby is making almost the same as he was in Lubbock. You can go research the contract and the things that have to be met to make the money he was promised. As for facilities, not even close(61K>35K). As for Conference affiliation(Big 12> BE, MWC ACC), not even close.

Tubby lost his fire to coach and I hope he doesn't destroy what the previous 3 coaches built at UC.

Maybe the change of scenery will help him get his fire back. One thing's for sure: there's no doubting his ability, which is the big unknown when hiring an up-and-comer.
 
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(01-13-2013 09:30 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Dude seriously, go away. You have stalked every thread Tuberville related on every board yet claim that you don't care...

I don't care and I extremely happy he got the heck out of dodge. I have nothing against UC but when I see untrue posts about my University, I will respond.

Like I mentioned, I have no problems with UC but I do dislike your coach. I think he is a fraud and a liar and I fear UC fans will find that out in the future. He is repeating the same crap at UC that he said at Tech, Auburn and Ole Miss.

Remember guys, this is a coach that is done playing in big time TV games.
 
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(01-13-2013 09:36 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 10:02 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K). It was only after we hired tubby that we began to suck. I was one of the few on our boards calling for his lazy butt to be fired during the 2011 season. You can't lose 41-7 and 66-6 at home and expect to keep the fan base happy. Not in a football crazy state like Texas.

I realize this is your board and I will be respectful but lets sort out the lies here. Tubby is making almost the same as he was in Lubbock. You can go research the contract and the things that have to be met to make the money he was promised. As for facilities, not even close(61K>35K). As for Conference affiliation(Big 12> BE, MWC ACC), not even close.

Tubby lost his fire to coach and I hope he doesn't destroy what the previous 3 coaches built at UC.

Maybe the change of scenery will help him get his fire back. One thing's for sure: there's no doubting his ability, which is the big unknown when hiring an up-and-comer.

You might be correct.
 
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(01-13-2013 10:22 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:30 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Dude seriously, go away. You have stalked every thread Tuberville related on every board yet claim that you don't care...

I don't care and I extremely happy he got the heck out of dodge. I have nothing against UC but when I see untrue posts about my University, I will respond.

Like I mentioned, I have no problems with UC but I do dislike your coach. I think he is a fraud and a liar and I fear UC fans will find that out in the future. He is repeating the same crap at UC that he said at Tech, Auburn and Ole Miss.

Remember guys, this is a coach that is done playing in big time TV games.

I'd guess he's got a much better chance to have his UC team in a BCS bowl next year than he would have had at Tech. UC just has an easier path.
 
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