(01-30-2013 02:03 PM)7 Wrote:  Are you PJ's wife?

C'mon man, I just get tired of people spouting off with no knowledge. It's ok to be mad that he left, I get that, but so many of these claims are just becasue of the sheer feelings of how he left when nobody on here actually knows that story. Its sickening really. If he was our HC right now, everybody here would be soooo on board it wouldn't even be funny! NOw that he is not, "he can't succeed" and has "no experience".

Who on here is saying he can't succeed? And he does have very little expierence. Carey actually probably has less expierence, but that doesn't change the fact Fleck is also inexpierenced.

We will see about both of them, but attempting to draw conclusions right now is pointless.

(01-30-2013 01:58 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 04:47 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 04:36 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:54 PM)thetachihuskie Wrote:  PJ picked up a 3* OL lineman today that decomitted from CMU. That is his 6th 3* recruit in 3 weeks. He is really killin' it. We may have "zigged when we should have zagged!" I have a feeling we may have made a mistake. The recruiting results are very telling. We shall see on the coaching aspect.

I would never bet against PJ's success and if he was not coaching a team in the MAC West I would be rooting for his success.

So far, except for his college playing days at NIU, where has his success manifested itself?

Well, it started under being moved from jsut a G.A. at Ohio State to actually coaching the TE's there as a GA becasue of his ability to get a lot out of the players. Then it was at NIU where he took two solid (but not great) receiving talents in Simon and Davis, and got both of them on NFL rosters. Then it went to Rutgers where Sanu excelled under his leadership going form a little know receiver the year before Fleck arrived to one of the top receiver prospects in last years draft. Then His success was taking a group of receivers that saw Mike Williams have a career low year in 2011, and turned it into a 2012 that has him on the verge of being one of highest paid receivers in leage. NOt to mention Vincent Jackson had the best year of his All Pro Career under Fleck. (he was wiht Phillip River s before , but now has his best year under a shaky Freeman). He also put Underwood on the may who he helped develp at Rutgers.

Jim Tressel personally reccommended him for the Western Michigan Job ad did Schiano, and several others who I won't mention because you wouldn't believe me anyway.

He has surrounded him with an outstanding staff who will coach his players , and he will get great players to start with . Better than what we are getting today.

Just tired of people asking why? This guy has done everything in his power to put him in this spot including making an unpopular decision at the University he loves to get NFL experience, which undoubtedly landed him this job. HE has been successful in everything he has ever done in his entire life. WHy would this be any different? WHen has he ever failed?

You guys can sleep under a Rock all you want, but he is there to win and win now. H has always beeen a student of this game. More so than anyone I have ever seen.

If you are a prospect, you have one guy who has been a D3 asst coach , a D1aa asst coach, and a coordinator for 1 year at a D1. And you have one guy that has played at a high level in college, played in the NFL, coached in the MAC, Coached in 2 BCS conferences (BIG and Big East), has gotten over 6 players to NFL rosters, and coached a pro bowler to his best year ever. Where would a young man want to go?

Think about that my friends. Who is the guy more ready to be in this position?

Now I'm concerned and I think the rest of the MAC should be, too. I think with PJ at the helm of WMU, we and the rest of the MAC West will have no chance. Poor Coach Carey and the rest of our coaches are not even good enough to launder Fleck's jock (though I'm sure they'd want to - who wouldn't?)

Toledo, just forget about all your #1 recruiting classes because it is all useless at this point.

Maybe the MAC schools can all pony up and buy out Fleck's contract to get him out of the MAC so that we can all be on fairer ground.

NIU couldn't bring back Fleck after he bailed on the team after a day. It's also fairley obviously the players don't like Fleck too much anymore. Compher knew how much NIU had coming back, so he wanted to keep the staff. Carey did a great job under adverse circumstances with the offense, and he was promoted. I thought he coached a strong game in the Orange Bowl. We kept half our staff because we promoted from within. Why is this a discussion point? If you want to slob Fleck go to the WMU board.

(01-30-2013 02:23 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 01:58 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 04:47 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 04:36 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:54 PM)thetachihuskie Wrote:  PJ picked up a 3* OL lineman today that decomitted from CMU. That is his 6th 3* recruit in 3 weeks. He is really killin' it. We may have "zigged when we should have zagged!" I have a feeling we may have made a mistake. The recruiting results are very telling. We shall see on the coaching aspect.

I would never bet against PJ's success and if he was not coaching a team in the MAC West I would be rooting for his success.

So far, except for his college playing days at NIU, where has his success manifested itself?

Well, it started under being moved from jsut a G.A. at Ohio State to actually coaching the TE's there as a GA becasue of his ability to get a lot out of the players. Then it was at NIU where he took two solid (but not great) receiving talents in Simon and Davis, and got both of them on NFL rosters. Then it went to Rutgers where Sanu excelled under his leadership going form a little know receiver the year before Fleck arrived to one of the top receiver prospects in last years draft. Then His success was taking a group of receivers that saw Mike Williams have a career low year in 2011, and turned it into a 2012 that has him on the verge of being one of highest paid receivers in leage. NOt to mention Vincent Jackson had the best year of his All Pro Career under Fleck. (he was wiht Phillip River s before , but now has his best year under a shaky Freeman). He also put Underwood on the may who he helped develp at Rutgers.

Jim Tressel personally reccommended him for the Western Michigan Job ad did Schiano, and several others who I won't mention because you wouldn't believe me anyway.

He has surrounded him with an outstanding staff who will coach his players , and he will get great players to start with . Better than what we are getting today.

Just tired of people asking why? This guy has done everything in his power to put him in this spot including making an unpopular decision at the University he loves to get NFL experience, which undoubtedly landed him this job. HE has been successful in everything he has ever done in his entire life. WHy would this be any different? WHen has he ever failed?

You guys can sleep under a Rock all you want, but he is there to win and win now. H has always beeen a student of this game. More so than anyone I have ever seen.

If you are a prospect, you have one guy who has been a D3 asst coach , a D1aa asst coach, and a coordinator for 1 year at a D1. And you have one guy that has played at a high level in college, played in the NFL, coached in the MAC, Coached in 2 BCS conferences (BIG and Big East), has gotten over 6 players to NFL rosters, and coached a pro bowler to his best year ever. Where would a young man want to go?

Think about that my friends. Who is the guy more ready to be in this position?

Now I'm concerned and I think the rest of the MAC should be, too. I think with PJ at the helm of WMU, we and the rest of the MAC West will have no chance. Poor Coach Carey and the rest of our coaches are not even good enough to launder Fleck's jock (though I'm sure they'd want to - who wouldn't?)

Toledo, just forget about all your #1 recruiting classes because it is all useless at this point.

Maybe the MAC schools can all pony up and buy out Fleck's contract to get him out of the MAC so that we can all be on fairer ground.

YOu gotta be kidding me. YOu are the one that asked where he had been successful. Look, he has to prove himself like everyone else, but the hatred or disbelief he is a head coach is ridiculous. He deserves to be a head guy just like Carey or anyone else, we will see how it goes. YOu asked how he has been successful, so I told you. Sorry to explain. He hasn't done a thing yet. I think he will be good, but nobody truly knows.

(01-30-2013 02:22 PM)7 Wrote:  Who on here is saying he can't succeed? And he does have very little expierence. Carey actually probably has less expierence, but that doesn't change the fact Fleck is also inexpierenced.

We will see about both of them, but attempting to draw conclusions right now is pointless.

YOu are absolutely right. I am not drawing a single one. I said before, I think P.J. will be successful. I also THink Carey certainly should be given a fair shake! NO doubt. It would be a nice story if Carey comes in and we don't miss a beat . That would be phenominal.

Also, there are a number of people on here that think Fleck will not succeed. Plenty. And alot that just assume that Carey will.

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU couldn't bring back Fleck after he bailed on the team after a day. It's also fairley obviously the players don't like Fleck too much anymore. Compher knew how much NIU had coming back, so he wanted to keep the staff. Carey did a great job under adverse circumstances with the offense, and he was promoted. I thought he coached a strong game in the Orange Bowl. We kept half our staff because we promoted from within. Why is this a discussion point? If you want to slob Fleck go to the WMU board.

+1

That about sums it up.

(01-30-2013 03:35 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU couldn't bring back Fleck after he bailed on the team after a day. It's also fairley obviously the players don't like Fleck too much anymore. Compher knew how much NIU had coming back, so he wanted to keep the staff. Carey did a great job under adverse circumstances with the offense, and he was promoted. I thought he coached a strong game in the Orange Bowl. We kept half our staff because we promoted from within. Why is this a discussion point? If you want to slob Fleck go to the WMU board.

+1

That about sums it up.

Uh-huh. Doeren wasn't the only one pissed about what happened. I've said it before, but P.J. was never coming back as long as Compher is AD.

Wisconsin: Former Illinois co-offensive coordinator Chris Beatty will be the new receivers coach at Wisconsin according to a report from Tom Mulhern of the Wisconsin State Journal.


http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  the hatred or disbelief he is a head coach is ridiculous. He deserves to be a head guy just like Carey or anyone else

niufb83, you're not only entitled to your opinion, but many others agree with you. However, there are those who simply refuse to think objectively and they're the same folks who wouldn't believe the truth about what went down. The whole situation could have and should have been handled better, but several on this board have such enormous Huskie blinders on, that they can't imagine there are two legitimate sides to every story. Quite frankly, PJ's loyalty to NIU and his professionalism is why he's stayed virtually quiet on how and why what was a great hire for the Huskie program turned south.

(02-15-2013 09:57 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  the hatred or disbelief he is a head coach is ridiculous. He deserves to be a head guy just like Carey or anyone else

niufb83, you're not only entitled to your opinion, but many others agree with you. However, there are those who simply refuse to think objectively and they're the same folks who wouldn't believe the truth about what went down. The whole situation could have and should have been handled better, but several on this board have such enormous Huskie blinders on, that they can't imagine there are two legitimate sides to every story. Quite frankly, PJ's loyalty to NIU and his professionalism is why he's stayed virtually quiet on how and why what was a great hire for the Huskie program turned south.

Respect your opinions 57. Do you know "the truth" and care to share?

(02-15-2013 10:11 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 09:57 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  the hatred or disbelief he is a head coach is ridiculous. He deserves to be a head guy just like Carey or anyone else

niufb83, you're not only entitled to your opinion, but many others agree with you. However, there are those who simply refuse to think objectively and they're the same folks who wouldn't believe the truth about what went down. The whole situation could have and should have been handled better, but several on this board have such enormous Huskie blinders on, that they can't imagine there are two legitimate sides to every story. Quite frankly, PJ's loyalty to NIU and his professionalism is why he's stayed virtually quiet on how and why what was a great hire for the Huskie program turned south.

Respect your opinions 57. Do you know "the truth" and care to share?

I cannot speak for 57, but I do know the story. There are certainly two sides. I do not, however, feel comfortable sharing the info. People on here really don't want to hear it anyway. Further, it has been completely kept quiet for a reason. I will say this as fact: The tale that PJ said he "was not ready to be an OC" is ludicrous and simply not true.

(02-15-2013 02:15 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 10:11 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 09:57 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 02:27 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  the hatred or disbelief he is a head coach is ridiculous. He deserves to be a head guy just like Carey or anyone else

niufb83, you're not only entitled to your opinion, but many others agree with you. However, there are those who simply refuse to think objectively and they're the same folks who wouldn't believe the truth about what went down. The whole situation could have and should have been handled better, but several on this board have such enormous Huskie blinders on, that they can't imagine there are two legitimate sides to every story. Quite frankly, PJ's loyalty to NIU and his professionalism is why he's stayed virtually quiet on how and why what was a great hire for the Huskie program turned south.

Respect your opinions 57. Do you know "the truth" and care to share?

I cannot speak for 57, but I do know the story. There are certainly two sides. I do not, however, feel comfortable sharing the info. People on here really don't want to hear it anyway. Further, it has been completely kept quiet for a reason. I will say this as fact: The tale that PJ said he "was not ready to be an OC" is ludicrous and simply not true.

A lot of people made the same conclusion judging by the player's reactions and how DD and Compher have reacted since.

(02-15-2013 02:15 PM)niufb83 Wrote:  I cannot speak for 57, but I do know the story. There are certainly two sides. I do not, however, feel comfortable sharing the info. People on here really don't want to hear it anyway. Further, it has been completely kept quiet for a reason. I will say this as fact: The tale that PJ said he "was not ready to be an OC" is ludicrous and simply not true.

No reason to be quiet now that DD is gone.

I always imagined that they butted heads before he even got on campus.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130216/SP...ans-saints

Dan Roushar headed to the Saints as running backs coach. Wonder if he'll use that as a springboard to a head coaching gig down the road.

If anyone knows the real story behind the PJ Fleck saga as NIU OC for 1 day, I think it needs to be told. PJ was an outstanding player at NIU and highly respected as a person and tireless work ethic as a coach.

When Greg Sciano left Rutgers a couple of years ago, I sent an e mail to Jeff Compher asking him to consider PJ as the OC . I thought that he would be a great recruiter and could step into the head coaching job if Dave Doeren ever left.

I would really like to know what truly happened to prompt PJ's actions.... There has to be more than what has been said..... I think that I speak for many Huskie fans that would like to hear the truth. Thank you.

This is my thought on the PJ Fleck ordeal. We don't know how it will pan out. But people leave their alma mater with far superior resumes than PJ's to different places. I'm a big wrestling fan, so these are examples from that. Iowa State famous wrestler named Dan Gable goes to the enemy the Iowa Hawkeyes and builds one of the most impressive dynasties in modern day sport. Another Iowa St alum, went back to coach there then surprisingly left, goes by the name of Cael Sanderson. Those guys screwed their schools way worse than PJ my friends. At best, PJ doesn't pan out and we beat him 4 straight years and he's gone from WMU and maybe gets an assistant coaching gig, at best he is a rlly good coach and moves on after 3 years. I think it will turn out fine for everyone.