(01-08-2013 02:15 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 02:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody wants non football programs.

Until the C7 gets a better contract than Big East football... You can either be proactive or find yourself without options. There is no doubt that adding all sports schools is the way to go, but unfortunately, there are no teams left that will add value. Please let me know of attainable schools that will add value to any sports contract? In reality, Tulsa is a pretty decent pickup, but they still don't add any $$ to our TV contract. It's just that there is no one left and they would probably be added to the MWC if we don't do something.

I always thought the Big East football/non-football conference made no sense. I'm still not sold on the idea. If we were actually looking at a higher value contract ($100 million at one time), I would definitely agree with you. I think we will be lucky to get $4-5 million now.

How does everyone like our basketball conference now? It totally sucks. It's hard to believe tickets sales are as strong as they are now. This year, we have one home game that is worthwhile (Louisville). I pay almost $3k per seat, and there are tons on here that do the same. If UCONN and Cinci leave, do you think this is sustainable unless we have some very strong tournament runs?

I am also a season ticket holder in football, but at a far less cost (cheap seats). I buy them to support the team, but very few are paying a lot for these tickets. I can't remember going to a Tiger football game and it being sold out. I think the Big East has about the very best football teams available. Other than Tulsa, I just don't see much out there that would add to our value. There are many basketball teams out there that might be available and would add a great deal. Again, just something to think about. I believe in being more proactive and less reactive.

I didn't read a single word of your post. Nobody wants non football playing programs.

This coming from a guy that has been to one Tiger football game. Thanks for the support!

When UCONN and Cinci leave (and probably Temple after they go) and we play a similar basketball schedule against the likes of Tulane and ECU, I'll remind you of this.

We could win out this season and still be lucky to get a 4-5 seed. When UCONN and Cinci leave, we will have the same problem.

Adding UMASS and Tulsa won't do a thing to help. Tulsa hasn't been to the NCAA in almost 10 years, and it's been about 15 for UMASS.

C-USA part II

Even if you went to 1,000,000,000,000 football games...nobody wants a non football playing school.

It worked very well for the Big East for over 30 years. It would have continued, but the Big East started adding teams that devalued basketball (tipping point - Tulane). I'd say it was the strongest basketball conference, although some might argue the ACC. Also had the best conference tournament.

(01-08-2013 01:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody wants non football programs.

Until the C7 gets a better contract than Big East football... You can either be proactive or find yourself without options. There is no doubt that adding all sports schools is the way to go, but unfortunately, there are no teams left that will add value. Please let me know of attainable schools that will add value to any sports contract? In reality, Tulsa is a pretty decent pickup, but they still don't add any $$ to our TV contract. It's just that there is no one left and they would probably be added to the MWC if we don't do something.

I always thought the Big East football/non-football conference made no sense. I'm still not sold on the idea. If we were actually looking at a higher value contract ($100 million at one time), I would definitely agree with you. I think we will be lucky to get $4-5 million now.

How does everyone like our basketball conference now? It totally sucks. It's hard to believe tickets sales are as strong as they are now. This year, we have one home game that is worthwhile (Louisville). I pay almost $3k per seat, and there are tons on here that do the same. If UCONN and Cinci leave, do you think this is sustainable unless we have some very strong tournament runs?

I am also a season ticket holder in football, but at a far less cost (cheap seats). I buy them to support the team, but very few are paying a lot for these tickets. I can't remember going to a Tiger football game and it being sold out. I think the Big East has about the very best football teams available. Other than Tulsa, I just don't see much out there that would add to our value. There are many basketball teams out there that might be available and would add a great deal. Again, just something to think about. I believe in being more proactive and less reactive.

Wow. a whole $50 bucks this last season. Thanks.
Question. If you are buying them to "support the team", why are you not buying the tickets "between the 20s" for double what you are paying now? THAT is support. I would NEVER in a million years question another Tiger's level of support for any sport, except you mentioned you pay $3k for your basketball seats, so obviously you can afford it. Those seats would have been a measly C note this past season.

(01-08-2013 02:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody wants non football programs.

Until the C7 gets a better contract than Big East football... You can either be proactive or find yourself without options. There is no doubt that adding all sports schools is the way to go, but unfortunately, there are no teams left that will add value. Please let me know of attainable schools that will add value to any sports contract? In reality, Tulsa is a pretty decent pickup, but they still don't add any $$ to our TV contract. It's just that there is no one left and they would probably be added to the MWC if we don't do something.

I always thought the Big East football/non-football conference made no sense. I'm still not sold on the idea. If we were actually looking at a higher value contract ($100 million at one time), I would definitely agree with you. I think we will be lucky to get $4-5 million now.

How does everyone like our basketball conference now? It totally sucks. It's hard to believe tickets sales are as strong as they are now. This year, we have one home game that is worthwhile (Louisville). I pay almost $3k per seat, and there are tons on here that do the same. If UCONN and Cinci leave, do you think this is sustainable unless we have some very strong tournament runs?

I am also a season ticket holder in football, but at a far less cost (cheap seats). I buy them to support the team, but very few are paying a lot for these tickets. I can't remember going to a Tiger football game and it being sold out. I think the Big East has about the very best football teams available. Other than Tulsa, I just don't see much out there that would add to our value. There are many basketball teams out there that might be available and would add a great deal. Again, just something to think about. I believe in being more proactive and less reactive.

Wow. a whole $50 bucks this last season. Thanks.
Question. If you are buying them to "support the team", why are you not buying the tickets "between the 20s" for double what you are paying now? THAT is support. I would NEVER in a million years question another Tiger's level of support for any sport, except you mentioned you pay $3k for your basketball seats, so obviously you can afford it. Those seats would have been a measly C note this past season.

They were $100 season before last. I buy 8 and use 2. I give the others away. I also donate to the university. So I'd say I give sports and the school a fair amount of support. And besides, basketball revenue is used throughout the sports program.

(01-08-2013 03:11 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 02:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody wants non football programs.

Until the C7 gets a better contract than Big East football... You can either be proactive or find yourself without options. There is no doubt that adding all sports schools is the way to go, but unfortunately, there are no teams left that will add value. Please let me know of attainable schools that will add value to any sports contract? In reality, Tulsa is a pretty decent pickup, but they still don't add any $$ to our TV contract. It's just that there is no one left and they would probably be added to the MWC if we don't do something.

I always thought the Big East football/non-football conference made no sense. I'm still not sold on the idea. If we were actually looking at a higher value contract ($100 million at one time), I would definitely agree with you. I think we will be lucky to get $4-5 million now.

How does everyone like our basketball conference now? It totally sucks. It's hard to believe tickets sales are as strong as they are now. This year, we have one home game that is worthwhile (Louisville). I pay almost $3k per seat, and there are tons on here that do the same. If UCONN and Cinci leave, do you think this is sustainable unless we have some very strong tournament runs?

I am also a season ticket holder in football, but at a far less cost (cheap seats). I buy them to support the team, but very few are paying a lot for these tickets. I can't remember going to a Tiger football game and it being sold out. I think the Big East has about the very best football teams available. Other than Tulsa, I just don't see much out there that would add to our value. There are many basketball teams out there that might be available and would add a great deal. Again, just something to think about. I believe in being more proactive and less reactive.

Wow. a whole $50 bucks this last season. Thanks.
Question. If you are buying them to "support the team", why are you not buying the tickets "between the 20s" for double what you are paying now? THAT is support. I would NEVER in a million years question another Tiger's level of support for any sport, except you mentioned you pay $3k for your basketball seats, so obviously you can afford it. Those seats would have been a measly C note this past season.

They were $100 season before last. I buy 8 and use 2. I give the others away. I also donate to the university. So I'd say I give sports and the school a fair amount of support. And besides, basketball revenue is used throughout the sports program.

So is the TV money from being a Football school in a Football conference.

(01-08-2013 03:14 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 03:11 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 02:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Nobody wants non football programs.

Until the C7 gets a better contract than Big East football... You can either be proactive or find yourself without options. There is no doubt that adding all sports schools is the way to go, but unfortunately, there are no teams left that will add value. Please let me know of attainable schools that will add value to any sports contract? In reality, Tulsa is a pretty decent pickup, but they still don't add any $$ to our TV contract. It's just that there is no one left and they would probably be added to the MWC if we don't do something.

I always thought the Big East football/non-football conference made no sense. I'm still not sold on the idea. If we were actually looking at a higher value contract ($100 million at one time), I would definitely agree with you. I think we will be lucky to get $4-5 million now.

How does everyone like our basketball conference now? It totally sucks. It's hard to believe tickets sales are as strong as they are now. This year, we have one home game that is worthwhile (Louisville). I pay almost $3k per seat, and there are tons on here that do the same. If UCONN and Cinci leave, do you think this is sustainable unless we have some very strong tournament runs?

I am also a season ticket holder in football, but at a far less cost (cheap seats). I buy them to support the team, but very few are paying a lot for these tickets. I can't remember going to a Tiger football game and it being sold out. I think the Big East has about the very best football teams available. Other than Tulsa, I just don't see much out there that would add to our value. There are many basketball teams out there that might be available and would add a great deal. Again, just something to think about. I believe in being more proactive and less reactive.

Wow. a whole $50 bucks this last season. Thanks.
Question. If you are buying them to "support the team", why are you not buying the tickets "between the 20s" for double what you are paying now? THAT is support. I would NEVER in a million years question another Tiger's level of support for any sport, except you mentioned you pay $3k for your basketball seats, so obviously you can afford it. Those seats would have been a measly C note this past season.

They were $100 season before last. I buy 8 and use 2. I give the others away. I also donate to the university. So I'd say I give sports and the school a fair amount of support. And besides, basketball revenue is used throughout the sports program.

So is the TV money from being a Football school in a Football conference.

I agree. I also agree that an all sports conference is best. But in times of uncertainty, sometimes it pays to be proactive rather than reactive. Picking up Tulsa could be considered proactive. Offer them before the MWC does.

I also think the Big East needs to consider a conference without UCONN and Cinci. They may be with us for the next 20 years, but I think most of us would agree that they will move with the next round of expansion. It's been happening at a very fast pace. I'd say it would be reasonable to think this may continue.

If it happens, will we be reactive and pick up USM, Rice, or Marshall? Does this look like C-USA? Today, Memphis relies upon basketball revenues. I think we'd all like to see football bring in big money too. You have to at least consider how this effects basketball. That's all I'm saying.

If a team exits a conference, the team forfeits their portion of tournament units. True or False? I don't know the answer. Are they negotiable upon exit?

One of the negotiating tools.

(01-08-2013 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:47 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't want any teams that don't play D-1a football. That's just me.

No, it's also me.

Yep, me too.

(01-09-2013 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:47 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't want any teams that don't play D-1a football. That's just me.

No, it's also me.

Yep, me too.

I'd like to add all sports teams, but the only ones left really suck and do little to help the conference. When Cinci and UCONN leave, welcome to C-USA 2 basketball. One bid league...

ALMOST NOBODY wants non football playing schools. Including me.
Let's learn our lesson from the history of the Big East.

MemTiger1987, you keep bringing up UConn and Cincinnati pushing to gain ACC admission and how the current Big East will collapse when that happens.

Keep in mind a few things:
- Sure, a lot of the realignment changes happened quite suddenly. Most have happened AFTER MEMPHIS accepted the invitation 2-8-12. The Big East still had Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and the C-7 schools. Was MEMPHIS supposed to decline the offer?
- Is the Big East MEMPHIS will join the same one that existed on the day MEMPHIS was invited? Of course not; no one argues otherwise. But, it is NOT exactly "C-USA" as you insist on mockingly referring to it. It is the BEST of C-USA teams in BB (MEMPHIS), FB (UCF, ECU, Houston, SMU) and academic qualities (Tulane). It also might retain non-CUSA teams SDSU and Navy. It already has USF, Temple, Cincy, and UConn.
- MEMPHIS will not just sit still and pretend the move to the Big East III is the end all, be all. Bowen and his coaches will be pushing hard to improve the results on the field/court, as well as facility upgrades. So as Stammers noted, don't think MEMPHIS will not be considered for another conference in a couple years. The more movement between conferences, the BETTER for MEMPHIS. The ACC and B10 are the best chances for continued upward movement.
- Finally, MEMPHIS will whip both UConn and Cincinnati in BB starting next year.

First of all, I'm happy as **** to be where we are. It's a huge step up, particularly in basketball even without the C7. It's not what we thought we had, but its FAR better than where we left. I'm not bitching about the Big East, in fact, I'm still ecstatic about the move.

Things have changed. The C7 is allegedly looking at a $40 million/year contact for non-football sports. This is probably as good as we will achieve with our football contract.

Look, I never liked the Big East model. And if I thought we had a snowballs chance to hold this group together for some time, I'd be a huge advocate of status quo. But in light of this C7 possibility, maybe a Big East+ basketball league could be worth some money. If there were ANY relevant basketball teams (that also play FBS football), I'd add them in a heartbeat. But for the life of me, I can't think of any. The Big East model worked for over 30 years and they really never shared the wealth with the basketball schools. They did OK, but didn't take anything near the football schools. If the Big East would have accepted the ESPN offer, I'd say the basketball teams would have stayed. If you added a few high quality schools like Butler, Xavier, or VCU, I'd say that would make for a great lineup. If the C7 can get anywhere near $500 million, this conference could be close. It's all about the money. And since we lost AQ and the marquee teams, we aren't going to get much.