(01-05-2013 06:00 PM)450bench Wrote:  It amazes me how incredibly blind some can be...Seriously...Especially when it comes to Joe...Either that or you don't know much about basketball...Joe's play has improved dramatically when he moved from an exclusive 1 to a slashing, shooting, less pressured wing 1-2 guard...His assist numbers, points everything have improved when he became a shooter/slasher/passer...He sees the floor better and makes better decisions when he became a 1-2 guard instead of an exclusive 1...He hasn't dribbled into no-man's land with no place to go 1 time since that move...Pastner eliminated Joe's excusivity as a facilitator and told him and the other guards to create first then give yourself options to shoot, pass or penetrate...Have you noticed how much more fluid the offense has been since Pastner took the pressure off the point position? He did that to open the floor up for ALL the guards and Joe has flurished...Whoever is at the top NOW rotates immediately left or right, into open space, after passing the ball initially...That's done to take advantage of quickness and improve vision...Joe's game is built on quickness and smarts, and he's both, so the changes help him tremedously...Crawford is adjusting, Barton grasps everything quickly and Geron is just plain good at everything so everyone has benefited...They made this move to benefit spacing for Tarik too and when he comes back, he'll be a huge benefactor too

Joe hasn't changed all that much since the year started...

Difference is his shots are falling...Still taking the same shots.

JJ had one bad game then essentially a non-game at Minny.

(01-05-2013 09:25 PM)NTMB Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:08 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Those criticizing JJ's drives in the 2nd half are being ridiculous. They were great drives where he just missed the shot. Just because a guy misses a shot doesn't make it a bad play. Only bad play I can remember was when he tried to pullup on the baseline and got blocked.

I didn't see where anyone was criticizing his 2nd half play or multiple layups. Many of those were excellent, fundamental basketball.

I did however point out the ONE time I got annoyed by a move that looked foolish. But it wasn't a drive to the basket- he took a triple-contested shot from about 10 ft. out, which got completely stuffed.

My deal there was that if you have three guys on you, two of your teammates are open- use that. It's not the first time Joe has had such an opportunity to create wide open shots for others, and won't be the last I'm sure. I just hope he sees that and uses those opportunities to look genius. I also hope that in the film room, a coach points it out to him.

I'm still rooting for the guy though.

Should have been a foul. All or nothing play. From the baseline, no way to pass out of that, plus I think the shot clock was running down...refs wouldn't bail him out.

(01-05-2013 09:25 PM)NTMB Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:08 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Those criticizing JJ's drives in the 2nd half are being ridiculous. They were great drives where he just missed the shot. Just because a guy misses a shot doesn't make it a bad play. Only bad play I can remember was when he tried to pullup on the baseline and got blocked.

I didn't see where anyone was criticizing his 2nd half play or multiple layups. Many of those were excellent, fundamental basketball.

I did however point out the ONE time I got annoyed by a move that looked foolish. But it wasn't a drive to the basket- he took a triple-contested shot from about 10 ft. out, which got completely stuffed.

My deal there was that if you have three guys on you, two of your teammates are open- use that. It's not the first time Joe has had such an opportunity to create wide open shots for others, and won't be the last I'm sure. I just hope he sees that and uses those opportunities to look genius. I also hope that in the film room, a coach points it out to him.

I'm still rooting for the guy though.

(01-05-2013 09:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:25 PM)NTMB Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:08 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Those criticizing JJ's drives in the 2nd half are being ridiculous. They were great drives where he just missed the shot. Just because a guy misses a shot doesn't make it a bad play. Only bad play I can remember was when he tried to pullup on the baseline and got blocked.

I didn't see where anyone was criticizing his 2nd half play or multiple layups. Many of those were excellent, fundamental basketball.

I did however point out the ONE time I got annoyed by a move that looked foolish. But it wasn't a drive to the basket- he took a triple-contested shot from about 10 ft. out, which got completely stuffed.

My deal there was that if you have three guys on you, two of your teammates are open- use that. It's not the first time Joe has had such an opportunity to create wide open shots for others, and won't be the last I'm sure. I just hope he sees that and uses those opportunities to look genius. I also hope that in the film room, a coach points it out to him.

I'm still rooting for the guy though.

Should have been a foul. All or nothing play. From the baseline, no way to pass out of that, plus I think the shot clock was running down...refs wouldn't bail him out.

I'm not talking about the baseline shot with time running out, where we inbounded with about 5 sec left. Are you?

The shot I meant, I beleive he was about 5-6 feet off the baseline. Looked to me like he dribbled into trouble though.

Regardless, I wasn't bashing and some people here are too freaking stupid to realize that I am one of the biggest trollers of those who do needlessly dump on coaches and players. Whatever, stupid fkers.

(01-05-2013 09:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 06:00 PM)450bench Wrote:  It amazes me how incredibly blind some can be...Seriously...Especially when it comes to Joe...Either that or you don't know much about basketball...Joe's play has improved dramatically when he moved from an exclusive 1 to a slashing, shooting, less pressured wing 1-2 guard...His assist numbers, points everything have improved when he became a shooter/slasher/passer...He sees the floor better and makes better decisions when he became a 1-2 guard instead of an exclusive 1...He hasn't dribbled into no-man's land with no place to go 1 time since that move...Pastner eliminated Joe's excusivity as a facilitator and told him and the other guards to create first then give yourself options to shoot, pass or penetrate...Have you noticed how much more fluid the offense has been since Pastner took the pressure off the point position? He did that to open the floor up for ALL the guards and Joe has flurished...Whoever is at the top NOW rotates immediately left or right, into open space, after passing the ball initially...That's done to take advantage of quickness and improve vision...Joe's game is built on quickness and smarts, and he's both, so the changes help him tremedously...Crawford is adjusting, Barton grasps everything quickly and Geron is just plain good at everything so everyone has benefited...They made this move to benefit spacing for Tarik too and when he comes back, he'll be a huge benefactor too

Joe hasn't changed all that much since the year started...

Difference is his shots are falling...Still taking the same shots.

Hell, his shots weren't missing at the beginning of the year either.
Pre Bahamas:

13.5 ppg 40% from three, 5 ast p/g, 1 turn p/g, 9-10 ft, 4 prg, 2.5 spg.

(01-05-2013 09:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:25 PM)NTMB Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:08 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Those criticizing JJ's drives in the 2nd half are being ridiculous. They were great drives where he just missed the shot. Just because a guy misses a shot doesn't make it a bad play. Only bad play I can remember was when he tried to pullup on the baseline and got blocked.

I didn't see where anyone was criticizing his 2nd half play or multiple layups. Many of those were excellent, fundamental basketball.

I did however point out the ONE time I got annoyed by a move that looked foolish. But it wasn't a drive to the basket- he took a triple-contested shot from about 10 ft. out, which got completely stuffed.

My deal there was that if you have three guys on you, two of your teammates are open- use that. It's not the first time Joe has had such an opportunity to create wide open shots for others, and won't be the last I'm sure. I just hope he sees that and uses those opportunities to look genius. I also hope that in the film room, a coach points it out to him.

I'm still rooting for the guy though.

Should have been a foul. All or nothing play. From the baseline, no way to pass out of that, plus I think the shot clock was running down...refs wouldn't bail him out.

I generally agree with the premise of finding someone open rather than going 1 on 3 but you are absolutely right about that play. That was the play I mentioned in another thread where Stokes fouled him and everyone knew it and stopped playing, and then they all realized there was no whistle but the ball had bounced to a utk player who was in position for a break.

We agree! The apocalypse is nigh.

Ha.

(01-05-2013 10:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  We agree! The apocalypse is nigh.

Ha.

I'll have to disagree with you both on principle alone, since I'm now uno miserablo.

Bump epic thread

People are complaining about JJ...

Just crazy... because he was aggressive and got blocked... this is what pisses me off about people who are blinded by their bias. If that shot goes in no one says anything. The two 3's by Geron were far worse decisions than the shot everyone is discussing. Only difference is the shots went in.

JJ is one of the most efficient shouting guards in the country, i would think people would want him to shoot more

(01-05-2013 09:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 06:00 PM)450bench Wrote:  It amazes me how incredibly blind some can be...Seriously...Especially when it comes to Joe...Either that or you don't know much about basketball...Joe's play has improved dramatically when he moved from an exclusive 1 to a slashing, shooting, less pressured wing 1-2 guard...His assist numbers, points everything have improved when he became a shooter/slasher/passer...He sees the floor better and makes better decisions when he became a 1-2 guard instead of an exclusive 1...He hasn't dribbled into no-man's land with no place to go 1 time since that move...Pastner eliminated Joe's excusivity as a facilitator and told him and the other guards to create first then give yourself options to shoot, pass or penetrate...Have you noticed how much more fluid the offense has been since Pastner took the pressure off the point position? He did that to open the floor up for ALL the guards and Joe has flurished...Whoever is at the top NOW rotates immediately left or right, into open space, after passing the ball initially...That's done to take advantage of quickness and improve vision...Joe's game is built on quickness and smarts, and he's both, so the changes help him tremedously...Crawford is adjusting, Barton grasps everything quickly and Geron is just plain good at everything so everyone has benefited...They made this move to benefit spacing for Tarik too and when he comes back, he'll be a huge benefactor too

Joe hasn't changed all that much since the year started...

Difference is his shots are falling...Still taking the same shots.

Hell, his shots weren't missing at the beginning of the year either.
Pre Bahamas:

13.5 ppg 40% from three, 5 ast p/g, 1 turn p/g, 9-10 ft, 4 prg, 2.5 spg.

You just enjoy being disagreeable...to the point you will twist stats to do so.

The first three games of the season JJ was shooting 9-23 from the field 39.1% (40% pre Bahamas)