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(01-04-2013 09:23 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  I hate a tease.

What I have heard is that he got into it with a captain in a game, capt and some players quit then more in the off season. The player petitioned the U to get rid of Stu but stu won out and held his job.

I don't know nearly enough about any of the individuals involved to know who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

Was the chewing out called for and the player was a Prima donna or if the coach went too far.

In the end he had the job despite the dustup but I guess he was looking for a change of scenery.
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(01-04-2013 10:32 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 09:23 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  I hate a tease.

What I have heard is that he got into it with a captain in a game, capt and some players quit then more in the off season. The player petitioned the U to get rid of Stu but stu won out and held his job.

I don't know nearly enough about any of the individuals involved to know who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

Was the chewing out called for and the player was a Prima donna or if the coach went too far.

In the end he had the job despite the dustup but I guess he was looking for a change of scenery.
I'd feel comfortable if I were you. Seems our President ( really a Principal) and AD ( a camp counselor type) succumbed to the wishes of some weak minded athletes throwing a good man under the bus. It's a bad situation here with admin for a school that has so much to offer. Years ago with Eldon and Weaver we had a good thing. Not so now
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The players aren't on the team anymore. Their scholarships were given to others. They also lost their appeal/petition.

Conaire, I realize you have a beef with kb and Dunn. But how this situation reflects on them is beyond me.
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(01-05-2013 08:36 AM)EA3 Wrote:  The players aren't on the team anymore. Their scholarships were given to others. They also lost their appeal/petition.

Conaire, I realize you have a beef with kb and Dunn. But how this situation reflects on them is beyond me.

EA u r right I think the Dunn and KB are high school but beyond expanding read into Riddles own words. ""The vision for success and development within the University, and positive energy in the athletic department is infectious, and I can't wait to begin the journey." Coach Riddle
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(01-05-2013 10:47 AM)conaire Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 08:36 AM)EA3 Wrote:  The players aren't on the team anymore. Their scholarships were given to others. They also lost their appeal/petition.

Conaire, I realize you have a beef with kb and Dunn. But how this situation reflects on them is beyond me.

EA u r right I think the Dunn and KB are high school but beyond expanding read into Riddles own words. ""The vision for success and development within the University, and positive energy in the athletic department is infectious, and I can't wait to begin the journey." Coach Riddle

Every single new coach hired in any sport says something to that effect. It says nothing about his previous institution.
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That's quite the advanced political statement. Of course it'll fly over the heads of our literal types here driving 55 in the left.

Wonder who helped him prepare that?
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(01-05-2013 11:29 AM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 10:47 AM)conaire Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 08:36 AM)EA3 Wrote:  The players aren't on the team anymore. Their scholarships were given to others. They also lost their appeal/petition.

Conaire, I realize you have a beef with kb and Dunn. But how this situation reflects on them is beyond me.

EA u r right I think the Dunn and KB are high school but beyond expanding read into Riddles own words. ""The vision for success and development within the University, and positive energy in the athletic department is infectious, and I can't wait to begin the journey." Coach Riddle

Every single new coach hired in any sport says something to that effect. It says nothing about his previous institution.

Yea that's pretty boiler plate new hire talk.

I'm excited because the guy is a proven winner in the MAC and UB needs to improve their performance pretty much across the board. Rowing / Tennis / Swimming and Hoops have all been good but aside from that we've never reached the potential of the U.

White apparently is good at raising money and has finally started putting dates on the large capitol projects that the U has been "Planning" for a decade. This along with his three hires gives me a little hope that we are serious now.

I don't know whats going on at WMU with your AD/Pres but to me it sounds like they did back the coach.
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Read between the lines, they backed him for optics in that particular situation.

Then he left.
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(01-05-2013 11:29 AM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 10:47 AM)conaire Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 08:36 AM)EA3 Wrote:  The players aren't on the team anymore. Their scholarships were given to others. They also lost their appeal/petition.

Conaire, I realize you have a beef with kb and Dunn. But how this situation reflects on them is beyond me.

EA u r right I think the Dunn and KB are high school but beyond expanding read into Riddles own words. ""The vision for success and development within the University, and positive energy in the athletic department is infectious, and I can't wait to begin the journey." Coach Riddle

Every single new coach hired in any sport says something to that effect. It says nothing about his previous institution.
Reading just into it " Didn't he have that here ? " Why isn't he here still and went to a even/lesser in the same conference. Even BC parted with some nice things to say and he got shafted Riddle left because of the admin. I think we both know it. I will say to support you that our basketball coach loves it here and the coddling he receives though.
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He's gone because a half dozen or so of his players filed a formal complaint thru the athletic dept with hopes of getting him removed. They lost their bid....and subsequently their scholarships. Why would any coach making 50k coach a team that clearly isn't following him. Admin has nothing to do with this situation. He bolted.
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Where'd he say that EA3?
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(01-05-2013 03:21 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Where'd he say that EA3?

"riddle left because of the admin"
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(01-05-2013 03:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:21 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Where'd he say that EA3?

"riddle left because of the admin"

Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?
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(01-05-2013 03:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:21 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Where'd he say that EA3?

"riddle left because of the admin"

Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?

Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.
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(01-05-2013 03:32 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:21 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Where'd he say that EA3?

"riddle left because of the admin"

Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?

Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.

There are a lot of reasons. Maybe UB is going to offer him more? maybe even thought they backed him he wants a fresh start away from the mess...

Right now nobody knows exactly what he said that set off the player.
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(01-05-2013 03:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:32 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:21 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Where'd he say that EA3?

"riddle left because of the admin"

Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?

Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.

There are a lot of reasons. Maybe UB is going to offer him more? maybe even thought they backed him he wants a fresh start away from the mess...

Right now nobody knows exactly what he said that set off the player.

^this

Yet it's fuel for the admin haters
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(01-05-2013 03:42 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:32 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  "riddle left because of the admin"

Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?

Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.

There are a lot of reasons. Maybe UB is going to offer him more? maybe even thought they backed him he wants a fresh start away from the mess...

Right now nobody knows exactly what he said that set off the player.

^this

Yet it's fuel for the admin haters

EA respectfully , as I think you do a lot for the program, you are wrong here, as I see it. The guy leaves makes no mention of why or how he loved it here and then exaggerates in speech about how great his new venue is ( noting the greatness of the new venue for something his school is often criticized for not having ) It doesn't take a lot to see through his speech. By noting the greatness of his future venue he's taking a shot at KB and others for their lack of having what UB has. Why don't we have what UB has ? This statement as Chipdip says is very telling DB is right on point here as well. This is not a common exit speech. That usually goes " I had a great time and loved the people I worked for but it's time to move on. Then you kiss the new love". That's how it goes. BC got screwed over by the HS admin but still had nice things out the door. Granted he's a true pro but you would've expected Riddle to say one thing about his past employer if there was some loyalty. ( I could see KB and Dunn may have defended him for legal reasons but then pushed hard on him as he tried to do his job professionally to rid him off. It is a touchy situation ).
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(01-05-2013 04:07 PM)conaire Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:42 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:32 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:30 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Let's rewind here. Where did Riddle say he left because of the players and not the admin as you stated?

Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.

There are a lot of reasons. Maybe UB is going to offer him more? maybe even thought they backed him he wants a fresh start away from the mess...

Right now nobody knows exactly what he said that set off the player.

^this

Yet it's fuel for the admin haters

EA respectfully , as I think you do a lot for the program, you are wrong here, as I see it. The guy leaves makes no mention of why or how he loved it here and then exaggerates in speech about how great his new venue is ( noting the greatness of the new venue for something his school is often criticized for not having ) It doesn't take a lot to see through his speech. By noting the greatness of his future venue he's taking a shot at KB and others for their lack of having what UB has. Why don't we have what UB has ? This statement as Chipdip says is very telling DB is right on point here as well. This is not a common exit speech. That usually goes " I had a great time and loved the people I worked for but it's time to move on. Then you kiss the new love". That's how it goes. BC got screwed over by the HS admin but still had nice things out the door. Granted he's a true pro but you would've expected Riddle to say one thing about his past employer if there was some loyalty. ( I could see KB and Dunn may have defended him for legal reasons but then pushed hard on him as he tried to do his job professionally to rid him off. It is a touchy situation ).

Conaire, I can't say with 100% certainty that you are wrong or right.

My problem arises when everything that remotely goes wrong at wmu is traced back to two people. It's vindictive in nature. I don't view our admin thru the same lenses as you, or others. That's not to say I don't recognize shortcomings or turn a blind eye.

I view the situation as a coach being hard on his players, they fought back, and he would prefer a change of scenery.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you blame his departure on the admin because you are upset about the departure of BC and how it went down. Being upset with Dunn and KB runs into every problem that surfaces now. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I'm out of line with that assumption.

And, as you mentioned, I appreciate your input as well. Even when we disagree.
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(01-05-2013 04:27 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 04:07 PM)conaire Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:42 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 03:32 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Why would he leave if the admin backed him and denied their complaint/petition.

And this is assuming that his behavior in question was acceptable in the first place.

There are a lot of reasons. Maybe UB is going to offer him more? maybe even thought they backed him he wants a fresh start away from the mess...

Right now nobody knows exactly what he said that set off the player.

^this

Yet it's fuel for the admin haters

EA respectfully , as I think you do a lot for the program, you are wrong here, as I see it. The guy leaves makes no mention of why or how he loved it here and then exaggerates in speech about how great his new venue is ( noting the greatness of the new venue for something his school is often criticized for not having ) It doesn't take a lot to see through his speech. By noting the greatness of his future venue he's taking a shot at KB and others for their lack of having what UB has. Why don't we have what UB has ? This statement as Chipdip says is very telling DB is right on point here as well. This is not a common exit speech. That usually goes " I had a great time and loved the people I worked for but it's time to move on. Then you kiss the new love". That's how it goes. BC got screwed over by the HS admin but still had nice things out the door. Granted he's a true pro but you would've expected Riddle to say one thing about his past employer if there was some loyalty. ( I could see KB and Dunn may have defended him for legal reasons but then pushed hard on him as he tried to do his job professionally to rid him off. It is a touchy situation ).

Conaire, I can't say with 100% certainty that you are wrong or right.

My problem arises when everything that remotely goes wrong at wmu is traced back to two people. It's vindictive in nature. I don't view our admin thru the same lenses as you, or others. That's not to say I don't recognize shortcomings or turn a blind eye.

I view the situation as a coach being hard on his players, they fought back, and he would prefer a change of scenery.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you blame his departure on the admin because you are upset about the departure of BC and how it went down. Being upset with Dunn and KB runs into every problem that surfaces now. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please tell me if I'm out of line with that assumption.

And, as you mentioned, I appreciate your input as well. Even when we disagree.

EA you are right about the handling of Cubit being a sore spot but not limited to that.BC is a bigtime coach who will land a great job I'm sure As for the admin Dunn is very hands on without having the education to be hands on as to many things. KB is just inadequate in my mind She doesn't work at it and is not helpful in the development or progress of this U, IMO. You can't run the athletic dept out of your house. This is a hands on job for a qualified administrator. The expectations of some are troubling in many ways as to asking to bring money in and compete without giving the expenditures to compete. The bball program is given a pass but given extraordinary monies without having to contribute The soccer issue is really troubling but will be vague as this is not the venue. Principle Dunn to suggest berating players is wrong when he has lost his cool as to both players and coaches is absurd. The sign of a true man is to live by high standards that you set and abide by. He doesn't You can ask several assistant coaches about his behavior towards them after near misses against much bigger competition He's a guy who roots on but does not lead nor knows how to lead in the athletic venue. He should shut up observe and get a legit AD ( which he does not have) to lead this great university.
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Well put. Perfect.
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