(01-01-2013 04:38 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Either the bill gets passed and we keep doing what we've been doing or it doesn't and we go over the fiscal cliff. Which option do you think will work out better in the long run?

I'm all for going over the cliff. Maybe, just maybe, this will get Americans to actually realize who they voted to represent them and we can start to clean house in 2 years.

Had an employee we let go for performance explain to me she gave up a lot to take the job.....she gave up her unemployment.

(01-01-2013 04:58 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 04:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 04:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I wonder what the stock market does tomorrow???????

Down at least 150 if the deal doesn't get passed.

It went up 3% for no reason the other day. It's completely dislocated from reality. Who knows what the algos will do tomorrow.

That's a fair point. It may go up 200 given out loony it's been.

(01-01-2013 05:01 PM)smu89 Wrote:  Had an employee we let go for performance explain to me she gave up a lot to take the job.....she gave up her unemployment.

Brace yourself.

I got called names for suggesting we incentivize dependency.

(01-01-2013 04:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE IT DOWN!!!!

DUMB SOB's don't even realize when they have won.

Some Democrats were already thinking out loud about what will follow the collapse of the Senate deal, which they now expect.

If Republicans attempt to offer amendments -- as is expected -- Democrats will oppose a rule to allow that to happen procedurally.

If the GOP then tries to pass an amended bill, "they will have to do it with their own votes," said Rep. James Clyburn, (D- S.C.), a member of the leadership. Either scenario would kill the deal.

If the GOP doesn't offer an up or down vote on the Senate deal, well, that would kill the deal, too.

And then what? "Well, I say that then we wait for the new Congress to come in on Thursday. We'll have better numbers, more members on our side," said Clyburn. "Then we offer a new bill that they will like even less. They didn't like the 450 (thousand dollar in household income) floor on the tax increase? Let's see how much they like it when we push it back down to 250 (thousand)!"

-- Howard Fineman

House republicans are stupid. They keep rejecting the deal and it gets worse for them.

(01-01-2013 03:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  O calls the shots.

Given the ineptitude of these negotiations, that's not something to brag about.

Not ineptitude, strategy. O has won the battle now he's chasing them into the woods. The ultimate goal is for the American people to vote them out, that's why he ridicules them.

The CBO projected a $4 trillion debt increase over ten years with this bull**** plan.

I hardly think the stupidity is confined to the House Republicans.

(01-01-2013 05:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  O calls the shots.

Given the ineptitude of these negotiations, that's not something to brag about.

Not ineptitude, strategy. O has won the battle now he's chasing them into the woods. The ultimate goal is for the American people to vote them out, that's why he ridicules them.

So, he lied when he said he wouldn't let us go over the cliff.

Gotcha.

(01-01-2013 05:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  House republicans are stupid. They keep rejecting the deal and it gets worse for them.

Or they could realize what a sh!tty deal it is. Just a thought.

(01-01-2013 05:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The CBO projected a $4 trillion debt increase over ten years with this bull**** plan.

I hardly think the stupidity is confined to the House Republicans.

Someone needs to put up a little picture or something for firmgrizzle and the leftists who can't catch on


Oh wait...nm

(01-01-2013 05:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  O calls the shots.

Given the ineptitude of these negotiations, that's not something to brag about.

Not ineptitude, strategy. O has won the battle now he's chasing them into the woods. The ultimate goal is for the American people to vote them out, that's why he ridicules them.

So, he lied when he said he wouldn't let us go over the cliff.

Gotcha.

No. The GOP is letting us go off the financial cliff.

(01-01-2013 06:15 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  House republicans are stupid. They keep rejecting the deal and it gets worse for them.

Or they could realize what a sh!tty deal it is. Just a thought.

The next deal will be worse.

(01-01-2013 03:57 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I am not impressed with their grand standing. Pass the D@MN! bill a move on. I don't want to see my taxes go up.

No you want to see someone elses taxes go up...

The republicans need to get a real plan on the table, but they are too scared. Bowles-Simpson and/or Domenici-Rivlin are clearly bipartisan ideas that republicans could claim some high ground by passing out of the house. Unless they do something like that, they are just going to keep losing the PR battles.

(01-01-2013 10:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The republicans need to get a real plan on the table, but they are too scared. Bowles-Simpson and/or Domenici-Rivlin are clearly bipartisan ideas that republicans could claim some high ground by passing out of the house. Unless they do something like that, they are just going to keep losing the PR battles.

You're going to love this. I just read this quote from the biggest dope out there.....Krugman. Won't be surprised if he is trotted out on all of the Sunday shows with this narrative.


Krugman said: "The reality is that President Obama has made huge concessions. He has already cut spending sharply, and has now offered additional big spending cuts, including a cut in social security benefits, while signalling his willingness to retain many of the Bush tax cuts, even for people with very high incomes. Taken as a whole, the president's proposals are arguably to the right of those made by Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, the co-chairmen of his deficit commission, in 2010."

The can has been kicked down the road.

And Obama is already saber rattling over the next debt ceiling crash...

(01-01-2013 11:43 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The can has been kicked down the road.

(01-01-2013 05:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  O calls the shots.

Given the ineptitude of these negotiations, that's not something to brag about.

Not ineptitude, strategy. O has won the battle now he's chasing them into the woods. The ultimate goal is for the American people to vote them out,

Imagine, an entire country that looks like Detroit.

(01-01-2013 10:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 03:42 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  O calls the shots.

Given the ineptitude of these negotiations, that's not something to brag about.

Not ineptitude, strategy. O has won the battle now he's chasing them into the woods. The ultimate goal is for the American people to vote them out, that's why he ridicules them.

So, he lied when he said he wouldn't let us go over the cliff.

Gotcha.

No. The GOP is letting us go off the financial cliff.

$4 trillion in new debt over the next 10 years.

Helluva debt-reduction plan there.